Dodecad k12b West, Central & South Asian results Vol. 2

[Leto]

There are Arabs from Erbil but nowadays most have assimilated and speak Kurdish or Turkish. The guy from the Iraqi project even tested one Arab with deep roots in Erbil. Erbil city pre-1950 was mostly Jewish and Turkmen with some Arabs and Kurds.

Why would Arabs assimilate into those groups? Iraq is an Arab republic, isn't being an Arab easier and more beneficial there?

[Bender1999]

Turkmens in Iraq are slaughtered, migrated away or assimilated- the rest are heavily intermixed. Turkomania(Türkmeneli) is now Kurdistan, sadly it looks like the Turkmens will die out in Iraq. Those who still speak Turkish are the rest of the Turkmen community, comparable with endangered species which everybody tries to save, although it is obvious that their situation is hopeless...

[Aren]

Why would Arabs assimilate into those groups? Iraq is an Arab republic, isn't being an Arab easier and more beneficial there?

My wording was a bit wrong there, ofc most people in Iraq including in the Kurdish ruled part speak Arabic and it's the more prestigious language, especially amongst minorities but when the Kurds from the villages around Erbil started moving into the city in the post War era they quickly became the majority and the muslims who already had ties with them who lived there got assimilated into their culture and language. But I'm sure most Turkmen and Arabs who are left in Erbil also speak Arabic.

[Aren]

Double...

[Halgurd]

There are Arabs from Erbil but nowadays most have assimilated and speak Kurdish or Turkish. The guy from the Iraqi project even tested one Arab with deep roots in Erbil. Erbil city pre-1950 was mostly Jewish and Turkmen with some Arabs and Kurds.

There aren't any Arabs from Erbil city today. There are only some in the countryside of Makhmour in S. Erbil governorate. There were some in the past, but I don't know what happened to them. Erbil pre-1950 was also majority Kurdish.

[Halgurd]

My wording was a bit wrong there, ofc most people in Iraq including in the Kurdish ruled part speak Arabic and it's the more prestigious language, especially amongst minorities but when the Kurds from the villages around Erbil started moving into the city in the post War era they quickly became the majority and the muslims who already had ties with them who lived there got assimilated into their culture and language. But I'm sure most Turkmen and Arabs who are left in Erbil also speak Arabic.

What are your sources for this? The earliest data on the population of Erbil is from British sources, and these all show a Kurdish majority. Ottoman sources mention the vilayet of Mosul as a whole, again with a Kurdish majority.

[Halgurd]

Why would Arabs assimilate into those groups? Iraq is an Arab republic, isn't being an Arab easier and more beneficial there?

Exactly. In Erbil the only assimilation that happened was Kurds identifying as Turkmen during the Baath regime because it was more favourable. Many of my 'Turkmen' relatives are these kind of Turkmens, they have Kurdish origins.

[Leto]

Syrian with some Lebanese (Damascus & Beirut)

Gedrosia 15.58
Siberian -
Northwest_African 5.19
Southeast_Asian 0.61
Atlantic_Med 11.85
North_European 4.19
South_Asian 1.31
East_African 3.10
Southwest_Asian 17.80
East_Asian 0.31
Caucasus 39.48
Sub_Saharan 0.57

Target: SYR
Distance: 2.9247% / 2.92468342 | ADC: 0.5x
38.0 Turkmen_Iraq
31.0 Nusayri_Turkey
26.2 Lebanese
2.6 Turk_Southeast
2.2 Algerian

Target: SYR
Distance: 1.3510% / 1.35104854 | ADC: 0.25x
42.0 Nusayri_Turkey
35.2 Turkmen_Iraq
15.6 Lebanese
3.2 Kurd_Sorani
2.0 Mozabite
1.0 Sandawe_He
0.6 Somali
0.4 Turk_East

[Aren]

What are your sources for this? The earliest data on the population of Erbil is from British sources, and these all show a Kurdish majority. Ottoman sources mention the vilayet of Mosul as a whole, again with a Kurdish majority.

Yes the region around Erbil, not Erbil city itself which I was very clear with. Your source doesn't show Erbil city which was relatively small in the early 1900s.

[Aren]

There's a clear difference between the muslim town dwellers and the peasents in the surroundings when it comes to the larger cities of Northern Iraq.

As an example, muslims both Turkmen and Kurds from Erbil city proper.

Spoiler!

North_Atlantic -
Baltic 5.34 Pct
West_Med 5.24 Pct
West_Asian 33.83 Pct
East_Med 34.10 Pct
Red_Sea 8.77 Pct
South_Asian 9.65 Pct
East_Asian 0.74 Pct
Siberian -
Amerindian -
Oceanian 0.67 Pct
Northeast_African 0.67 Pct
Sub-Saharan 1.00 Pct

North_Atlantic 4.06 Pct
Baltic 4.52 Pct
West_Med 9.34 Pct
West_Asian 30.38 Pct
East_Med 31.97 Pct
Red_Sea 9.30 Pct
South_Asian 6.71 Pct
East_Asian -
Siberian 1.45 Pct
Amerindian -
Oceanian -
Northeast_African 0.11 Pct
Sub-Saharan 2.16 Pct

And muslims from Kirkuk

Spoiler!

North_Atlantic 0.88 Pct
Baltic 2.44 Pct
West_Med 7.78 Pct
West_Asian 30.48 Pct
East_Med 32.93 Pct
Red_Sea 12.53 Pct
South_Asian 7.15 Pct
East_Asian 0.87 Pct
Siberian 0.30 Pct
Amerindian -
Oceanian 1.15 Pct
Northeast_African 1.99 Pct
Sub-Saharan 1.50 Pct

North_Atlantic 0.08 Pct
Baltic 3.58 Pct
West_Med 10.09 Pct
West_Asian 36.10 Pct
East_Med 30.55 Pct
Red_Sea 6.91 Pct
South_Asian 8.04 Pct
East_Asian 1.64 Pct
Siberian 0.98 Pct
Amerindian -
Oceanian -
Northeast_African 0.50 Pct
Sub-Saharan 1.53 Pct

North_Atlantic 2.45 Pct
Baltic 1.85 Pct
West_Med 9.16 Pct
West_Asian 34.87 Pct
East_Med 28.66 Pct
Red_Sea 9.30 Pct
South_Asian 7.81 Pct
East_Asian -
Siberian 1.89 Pct
Amerindian -
Oceanian 0.34 Pct
Northeast_African 2.72 Pct
Sub-Saharan 0.94 Pct

Compare with a Kurd from a small village between Kirkuk and Erbil

North_Atlantic 1.64 Pct
Baltic 3.29 Pct
West_Med 4.76 Pct
West_Asian 40.67 Pct
East_Med 31.70 Pct
Red_Sea 5.97 Pct
South_Asian 8.28 Pct
East_Asian 1.32 Pct
Siberian 0.70 Pct
Amerindian 0.70 Pct
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 0.97 Pct


It's obvious the elevated Red Sea and the minor SSA in these townspeople comes from mixing with Arabs of the area. Which didn't happen in the villages.