Dodecad k12b West, Central & South Asian results Vol. 2

[Kyp]

Good point, i once read that Safevids settled a lot of Caucasians in Persia (Armenians/Georgians/Circissians) but i dont know whether they left genetic traces?

They don't differ so much from Iranians genetically, in that regard a settlement from 16th century won't leave any traces.

[Kyp]

Turk from Kirsehir + Kahranmaras:


Gedrosian: 17.36
Siberian: 5.16
Northwest_African: 1.57
Southeast_Asian: 1.68
Atlantic_Med: 12.38
North_European: 9.61
South_Asian 2.45
East_African 0.26
Southwest_Asian: 12.05
East_Asian: 3.35
Caucasian: 34.13
South_African: 0.00

Distance to: TurkKirsehirKahranmaras
4.75650081 Turk_South
5.30797513 Turk_Anatolia
5.33397600 Turk_Central_West
5.49085604 Turk_Southeast
5.92325924 Turk_Southwest
6.67808356 Turk_Central_East
6.88944120 Turk_West_BlackSea
7.13635761 Azerbaijani
7.16988842 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
7.81287399 Turk_Northwest
7.96488544 Yoruk
8.08009901 Azerbaijani_Turkey
8.54712232 Azerbaijani_Iran
10.88804390 Turkmen_Iraq
11.27197853 Kurd_Kurmanji
12.45101602 Kurd_Sorani
12.46980754 Zaza
12.72876663 Turk_East
13.47755171 Iran_Khorasan
13.91181512 Talysh_Azerbaijan
14.20567492 Turkmen_Iran
14.20784994 Iranian_Fars
14.43171507 Udi_Azerbaijan
14.62785357 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain
15.00325298 Azerbaijani_Dagestan

Target: TurkKirsehirKahranmaras
Distance: 1.3764% / 1.37637339 | ADC: 0.25x
54.0 Turk_Southeast
36.6 Turk_Southwest
2.4 Brahui
2.4 Turk_Northwest
1.2 Canarias
1.0 Cambodians
1.0 Parsi_India

[Kyp]

Turk from Konya:


Gedrosian: 15.01
Siberian: 2.85
Northwest_African: 1.84
Southeast_Asian: 1.58
Atlantic_Med: 14.11
North_European: 8.23
South_Asian 2.20
East_African 1.81
Southwest_Asian: 12.31
East_Asian: 2.60
Caucasian: 37.46
South_African: 0.00

Distance to: TurkKonya
4.34470943 Turk_Central_West
4.57029540 Turk_Central_East
4.99919994 Turk_Anatolia
5.19537294 Turk_Southeast
5.46076002 Turk_South
6.43725097 Turk_West_BlackSea
6.45893954 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
7.18584720 Turk_Southwest
8.20436469 Azerbaijani
8.24502274 Azerbaijani_Turkey
9.49881572 Azerbaijani_Iran
9.50241022 Turk_Northwest
9.97792063 Turk_East
10.72457925 Yoruk
10.74279759 Turkmen_Iraq
11.61136082 Kurd_Kurmanji
11.79810578 Nusayri_Turkey
12.08735289 Zaza
12.54521423 Udi_Azerbaijan
12.89141575 Kurd_Sorani
13.05718193 Greek_Cappadocia
13.40820644 Greek_Crete
14.20455913 Armenian_East
14.20765287 Uzbekistan_Jews
14.26227191 Talysh_Azerbaijan

Target: TurkKonya
Distance: 1.1855% / 1.18545836 | ADC: 0.25x
47.8 Turk_Central_East
34.4 Turk_Southeast
8.2 Morocco_Jews
3.8 Italy_Calabria
1.8 Turk_Central_West
1.4 Balkan_Gypsy
1.0 Cambodians
1.0 Somali
0.6 Sardinian

[RatCat]

Trabzon Turk (Relative of mine from maternal side)

Gedrosia 13.54 Pct
Siberian -
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 9.95 Pct
North_European 4.06 Pct
South_Asian 0.78 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 12.63 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 59.04 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Distance to:
4.60002174 Hemshin
4.89707055 Laz
5.02902575 Greek_Pontus
5.56700997 Turk_East_Black_Sea
7.66118137 Georgian_Adjara
8.43453615 Georgian_Turkey
10.03840625 Turk_Ahiska
10.21098918 Armenian_East
10.21349597 Georgian_Imereti
10.25349696 Georgia_Jews
10.63910711 Azerbaijan_Jews
11.05616118 Armenian_West
12.00030416 Georgian_Gurian
12.26684148 Georgian_Mingrelian
14.57284804 Assyrian
14.62874567 Abkhazian
14.69902378 Turk_East
14.80086484 Greek_Cappadocia
14.99957333 Georgian_Svan
15.74016201 Druze
15.77645714 Udi_Azerbaijan
15.82803209 Iranian_Jews
16.53095883 Uzbekistan_Jews
17.21900113 Cypriots
17.41460881 Iraq_Jews

[Leto]

Trabzon Turk (Relative of mine from maternal side)

Gedrosia 13.54 Pct
Siberian -
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 9.95 Pct
North_European 4.06 Pct
South_Asian 0.78 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 12.63 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 59.04 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Distance to:
4.60002174 Hemshin
4.89707055 Laz
5.02902575 Greek_Pontus
5.56700997 Turk_East_Black_Sea
7.66118137 Georgian_Adjara
8.43453615 Georgian_Turkey
10.03840625 Turk_Ahiska
10.21098918 Armenian_East
10.21349597 Georgian_Imereti
10.25349696 Georgia_Jews
10.63910711 Azerbaijan_Jews
11.05616118 Armenian_West
12.00030416 Georgian_Gurian
12.26684148 Georgian_Mingrelian
14.57284804 Assyrian
14.62874567 Abkhazian
14.69902378 Turk_East
14.80086484 Greek_Cappadocia
14.99957333 Georgian_Svan
15.74016201 Druze
15.77645714 Udi_Azerbaijan
15.82803209 Iranian_Jews
16.53095883 Uzbekistan_Jews
17.21900113 Cypriots
17.41460881 Iraq_Jews

If he can be Turkish, you can be too because you guys both have completely assimilated North-West Asian background.
Bunalim's father's results (he is half Trabzonian, half white New Zealander)

[Leto]

Armenians (from Armenia)

Gedrosia 18.79 Pct
Siberian 0.55 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 11.38 Pct
North_European 6.83 Pct
South_Asian 0.32 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 14.64 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 47.45 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Distance to: Armen
3.18636156 Armenian_East
3.93193337 Turk_East
4.76672844 Armenian_West
4.80170803 Udi_Azerbaijan
6.56143277 Uzbekistan_Jews
7.96421371 Assyrian
8.31822697 Zaza
8.38498658 Georgia_Jews
8.57417051 Azerbaijan_Jews
8.62446520 Turk_Ahiska

Target: Armen
Distance: 1.0407% / 1.04070380 | ADC: 0.25x
58.2 Armenian_East
19.2 Uzbekistan_Jews
18.4 Udi_Azerbaijan
2.6 Armenian_West
1.6 Pais_Vasco

Target: Armen
Distance: 1.6721% / 1.67206616 | ADC: 0.5x
40.8 Armenian_East
19.4 Turk_East
17.8 Udi_Azerbaijan
14.2 Armenian_West
7.8 Uzbekistan_Jews

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Gedrosia 17.34 Pct
Siberian 0.55 Pct
Northwest_African 0.37 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 12.47 Pct
North_European 5.45 Pct
South_Asian 0.05 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 13.52 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 50.26 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Distance to: Artur
1.91890594 Armenian_East
3.46992795 Armenian_West
5.49248578 Greek_Pontus
5.54551170 Turk_East_Black_Sea
5.95298245 Turk_East
7.44468267 Udi_Azerbaijan
7.54578690 Azerbaijan_Jews
7.58592776 Hemshin
7.65693803 Turk_Ahiska
7.83827149 Georgia_Jews

Target: Artur
Distance: 0.8190% / 0.81898515 | ADC: 0.25x
72.6 Armenian_East
15.2 Armenian_West
6.4 Greek_Pontus
4.2 Georgian_Adjara
1.6 Sardinian

Target: Artur
Distance: 1.3388% / 1.33877439 | ADC: 0.5x
75.6 Armenian_East
14.2 Armenian_West
6.2 Greek_Pontus
4.0 Greek_Cappadocia

[RatCat]

If he can be Turkish, you can be too because you guys both have completely assimilated North-West Asian background.
Bunalim's father's results (he is half Trabzonian, half white New Zealander)

It is really interesting how trabzon turks got completely assimilated without any turkic admixture. We have a government site which you can check your whole family tree since 1800s and all of my maternal side since 1815 are from the same village and I dont think it was really different before 1815. So it's really interesting how they have changed their identity, religion, language while marrying with each other and not intermarrying with turks. I really wonder how is that assimilation process happened. I couldn't find good information about that neither.

[Leto]

It is really interesting how trabzon turks got completely assimilated without any turkic admixture. We have a government site which you can check your whole family tree since 1800s and all of my maternal side since 1815 are from the same village and I dont think it was really different before 1815. So it's really interesting how they have changed their identity, religion, language while marrying with each other and not intermarrying with turks. I really wonder how is that assimilation process happened. I couldn't find good information about that neither.

It's interesting, yes. As an Orthodox Christian, I personally consider them ex-Orthodox (apostate). Their Islamization did not take place until after the 1400s or even the 1500s. Prior to that they had been Christian for nearly 1,000 years.
Genetically they appear to be a mix of Laz, Pontic Greek and Armenian.

[Bender1999]

It is really interesting how trabzon turks got completely assimilated without any turkic admixture. We have a government site which you can check your whole family tree since 1800s and all of my maternal side since 1815 are from the same village and I dont think it was really different before 1815. So it's really interesting how they have changed their identity, religion, language while marrying with each other and not intermarrying with turks. I really wonder how is that assimilation process happened. I couldn't find good information about that neither.

Idk about you but we have here a lot of eastern blacksea turks(Giresun/Trabzon/Rize) and all of them describe themselves as Laz. I once spoke with Trabzonlu who told me that he has Pontus Greek ancestry, without reluctance which is absolutely right in my opinion. Turks also know that this area is full of Lazes but they don’t care about. So i dont understand why that is surprising for people that they show different results, they are still a part of Turkish people.

[RatCat]

Idk about you but we have here a lot of eastern blacksea turks(Giresun/Trabzon/Rize) and all of them describe themselves as Laz. I once spoke with Trabzonlu who told me that he has Pontus Greek ancestry, without reluctance which is absolutely right in my opinion. Turks also know that this area is full of Lazes but they don’t care about. So i dont understand why that is surprising for people that they show different results, they are still a part of Turkish people.

Yes, i have some pontic greek ancestors too that i didnt know till i have checked that government site and my maternal side still identfy as Turkish despite having some pontic greek ancestry and dna results. That things didnt change anything. And people here call eastern blacksea people as laz too but i thing they dont say it seriously, more like a joking way. It's just interesting to me how can a population change their indentity, language, religion without intermarrying back in the old days. Kurds still identify as kurds and laz people still identify as laz and most of them can still talk their language but trabzon turks' case is really interesting to me.