Gedmatch calculators on Vahaduo

[Lucas]

those are just the .SG samples, which were already there before yesterday.
so we are back at the start now.

the compromise would be if both version were in there, maybe one marked with "_other_version" in the end so they can be easily told apart.

P.S.
i want to let apricity users know i don't have a problem with any nation or religion, only with idiots.

for example, i made Albanian regional averages with the help of the Albanian user Safinator.
Lucas can confirm.

Yes ok. But the problem is in Reich there are only SG samples.

[vbnetkhio]

Yes ok. But the problem is in Reich there are only SG samples.

i just checked the BAM version Peterski sent me, it has almost 2x the SNPs in k13 compared to Serganover's version, and it's similar to the Reich/SG version.
I think it's safe to say it's more accurate.

so i agree with the current sampels from Reich.

[Jana]

Vbnetkhio is least biased poster here, he has absolutely no agenda and if he claims something it is because he thinks it may be true.
If he sees he tought wrong he will change his opinion without issues. A rare quality.

So there is no need to attack him or question his legitimacy.

[Jana]

So ignore them, if it's a small and mixed population, but don't go around spreading fakes just to distance yourself from Albanians. Reich, Davidski, the authors of the study and the SG coordinates are clearly in support of one another and you are the only one on the other front. An amateur just like me. Shall I also begin creating fakes based on how I expect Getae, Dacians, Cumans, etc. to have scored like?

Now I have to question everything that you submit and I advise Lucas to do the same.

Looks one you are one who has nationalistic bias here. You are upset about these samples (weather accurate or not is irrelevant) because you and your people can't be modeled with them.
That's what you are upset about and that's exactly what you described here.

You want continuity and having such samples upsets your idea about genetic continuity in Moldova.
Than you go to attack Vbnethkio who maybe submited poor samples but it wasn't him who did it on purpose neither could he knew they aren't legit, if that is the case.

You chimped out insantly due to idea Getae could have been Illyrian like because your people pre-Slavic part isn't similar to that.

I read you like a book.

[Leto]

For HarappaWorld, I significantly increased the sample size for most of the ones below and added one new average. For Dodecad K12b, I added a bunch of new averages. vbnetkhio helped me a lot in making the averages for them.

If you have time and interest, please calculate a Kohistani average with these kits:

Spoiler!

Kit Number: RX5139553
Name: Kohistani K20

Kit Number: AY1293046
Name: Kohistani K122

Kit Number: AD7529904
Name: Kohistani K124

Kit Number: GD5858977
Name: Kohistani K126

Kit Number: XT3374974
Name: Kohistani K128

Kit Number: SL5528950
Name: Kohistani K134

Kit Number: XS3826409
Name: Kohistani K175

Kit Number: NC6613829
Name: Kohistani K290

Kit Number: RL6168905
Name: Kohistani K130

Kit Number: WH3249048
Name: Kohistani K141

Kit Number: ET8860122
Name: Kohistani K144

Kit Number: WG2047633
Name: Kohistani K146

Kit Number: HU7006546
Name: Kohistani K152

After all, they are not that far from your part of Pakistan

[Mingle]

If you have time and interest, please calculate a Kohistani average with these kits:

Spoiler!

Kit Number: RX5139553
Name: Kohistani K20

Kit Number: AY1293046
Name: Kohistani K122

Kit Number: AD7529904
Name: Kohistani K124

Kit Number: GD5858977
Name: Kohistani K126

Kit Number: XT3374974
Name: Kohistani K128

Kit Number: SL5528950
Name: Kohistani K134

Kit Number: XS3826409
Name: Kohistani K175

Kit Number: NC6613829
Name: Kohistani K290

Kit Number: RL6168905
Name: Kohistani K130

Kit Number: WH3249048
Name: Kohistani K141

Kit Number: ET8860122
Name: Kohistani K144

Kit Number: WG2047633
Name: Kohistani K146

Kit Number: HU7006546
Name: Kohistani K152

After all, they are not that far from your part of Pakistan

I didn't even realize there wasn't a Kohistani average yet.

I'll try to do it some time.

[Ion Basescul]

Looks one you are one who has nationalistic bias here. You are upset about these samples (weather accurate or not is irrelevant) because you and your people can't be modeled with them.
That's what you are upset about and that's exactly what you described here.

You want continuity and having such samples upsets your idea about genetic continuity in Moldova.
Than you go to attack Vbnethkio who maybe submited poor samples but it wasn't him who did it on purpose neither could he knew they aren't legit, if that is the case.

You chimped out insantly due to idea Getae could have been Illyrian like because your people pre-Slavic part isn't similar to that.

I read you like a book.

Mate, if they plot like what vbn believes then everyone from my country would need 2-3x the Imperial Roman input to be modelled acceptably.

If I were to have an agenda, I would kiss vbn with the tongue, because everyone knows that I identify more with our Latin side than the native Getae/Dacian, with which we don't share anything apart from genes.

I don't want to see alternative samples that disagree with what everyone with a clean reputation has put forward (lab, Reich, authors, Davidski).

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[Ion Basescul]

Looks one you are one who has nationalistic bias here. You are upset about these samples (weather accurate or not is irrelevant) because you and your people can't be modeled with them.
That's what you are upset about and that's exactly what you described here.

You want continuity and having such samples upsets your idea about genetic continuity in Moldova.
Than you go to attack Vbnethkio who maybe submited poor samples but it wasn't him who did it on purpose neither could he knew they aren't legit, if that is the case.

You chimped out insantly due to idea Getae could have been Illyrian like because your people pre-Slavic part isn't similar to that.

I read you like a book.

And talking about continuity in Moldova is nonsense.
If you knew a thing or two about us, you would realise that we are taught in school that the territory of Moldova got conquered from Tatars in the 14th century. It got colonised by Romanians from Maramures and we assimilated a lot of locals and others who arrived later.

We are never taught about having been here since the dawn of time, as opposed to Romanians in Transylvania for example for whom Geto-Dacians are more relevant.

That's why you see people in Moldova who are kind of similar to one another genetically and then obvious outliers both Northern and Southern.

We are a product of different people having grown and developped an identity under the same umbrella so to speak. It's not necessarily a blood connection with everyone who preceded us in living on this land.

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[ixulescu]

paleo-Balkanians were indeed similar to modern NW Italians, Corsicans and Iberians, only after that to Albanians and Greeks.

This is definitely false for the eastern half of the Balkans. Thracians were very much mixed with Greeks. Dacians were mixed with Thracians. Scythians were mixed with Dacians. They were easily distinguishable from Northern Italic tribes.

Italic admixture came much later, but never constituted a majority, like you suggest, even after Northern Balkans became Latinized.

[vbnetkhio]

This is definitely false for the eastern half of the Balkans. Thracians were very much mixed with Greeks. Dacians were mixed with Thracians. Scythians were mixed with Dacians. They were easily distinguishable from Northern Italic tribes.

Italic admixture came much later, but never constituted a majority, like you suggest, even after Northern Balkans became Latinized.

these are the samples which seem to form the main Thracian cluster. they all get Corsican first on Vahaduo:

I2520_Bulgaria_EBA_5132_ybp,23.15,16.12,30.59,0.13,25.02,3.53,0.00,0.35,0.00,0.00,1.12,0,0
I2176_Bulgaria_EBA_published_5132_ybp,24.99,12.62,32.15,0.00,26.93,2.15,0.00,0.00,0.01,0.88,0.00,0.26,0
Bul6_Bulgaria_Beli_Breyag_EBA_4450_ybp,22.05,11.26,35.23,0.72,25.07,5.42,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.25,0,0
I2175_Bulgaria_EBA_5122_ybp,25.65,9.85,35.91,0.00,25.77,1.70,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0,1.11,0
I5769_Bulgaria_IA_2600_ybp,24.62,3.48,30.00,9.21,28.33,4.36,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0,0,0

i didn't mean they were close to Iron age Italians and far away from Mycenaeans and Dacians, you misunderstood me.
Mycenaeans and Dacians were neolithic/SW Euro shifted too, just like them.