Transylvanian/Romanian GEDmatch Results

[Ion Basescul]

Satu Mare
Second sample from Satu Mare, and kind of different from the first. Both are natives of the county though.

N_Atlantic	Baltic	West_Med	West_Asian	East_Med	Red_Sea	South_Asian	East_Asian	Siberian	Amerindian	Oceanian	NE_African	Sub-Saharan
27.30	22.08	17.51	10.57	18.58	1.27	0	0.47	1.64	0	0.57	0	0

Reposting the first one just for comparison

N_Atlantic	Baltic	West_Med	West_Asian	East_Med	Red_Sea	South_Asian	East_Asian	Siberian	Amerindian	Oceanian	NE_African	Sub-Saharan
19.72	30.17	19.01	6.84	16.82	3.54	0.60	1.36	1.78	0	0.17	0	0

Distance to:	SatuMare_ind
3.49342239	Bulgarian_Southwest
4.00116233	Bulgarian_Central
4.82585744	Macedonian_Northwest
4.82667911	North_Macedonian
4.87589992	Romanian_Oltenia
4.89039876	Montenegrin
5.36824179	Macedonian
5.52157586	Romania_Transylvania
5.61702768	Romanian_Wallachia
5.98264156	Macedonian_East
6.16219928	Bulgarian_Plovdiv
6.19321403	Bulgarian_Gabrovo
6.23446068	Romania_Muntenia
6.43268218	Bulgarian
6.46763481	Bulgarian_North-Rhodope
6.50279940	Romania_Moldavia_South
6.52386389	Moldova_South
6.57184145	Bulgarian_Stara-Zagora
6.64751833	Romania_Dobruja
6.91251040	Bulgarian_Serres
6.92150995	Bosniak_Sandzak
7.02953057	Bulgarian_Pleven
7.08745370	Romania_Crisana
7.29752698	Serb_Croatia_Dalmatia
7.43226076	Romania_Banat

Distance to:	SatuMare_ind
4.87589992	Romania_Oltenia
5.52157586	Romania_Transilvania
6.23446068	Romania_Muntenia
6.43268218	Bulgarian
6.50279940	Romania_Moldova_Sud
6.64751833	Romania_Dobrogea
7.08745370	Romania_Crisana
7.43226076	Romania_Banat
7.48329473	Aromanian_North-Macedonia
8.10698464	Aromanian_North-Macedonia-Highlander
9.20424224	Romania_Transilvania_Szekely
9.25329671	Romania_Moldova_Nord
9.57627276	Romania_Moldova_Csango
9.97854699	Romania_Maramures
10.30755662	Romania_Transilvania_Hungarian
11.41538874	Aromanian_Central-Macedonia
19.09987958	Ukrainian_Ivano_Frankivsk
24.75560139	Ukrainian_Lviv
25.29804736	Romania_Jewish
27.50730994	Crimean_Tatar
30.78997077	Romania_Dobruja_Tatar
32.49567817	Romania_Roma

Target: SatuMare_ind
Distance: 3.1337% / 3.13372487 | ADC: 0.25x
52.8 Romania_Transilvania_Szekely
41.4 Aromanian_Central-Macedonia
5.8 Romania_Oltenia

-Hungarian, Aromanian
Target: SatuMare_ind
Distance: 4.5165% / 4.51645275 | ADC: 0.25x
74.4 Romania_Oltenia
18.8 Romania_Crisana
6.8 Romania_Jewish

Distance to:	SatuMare_ind
3.15846482	Romania_Crisana_Arad
4.35129866	Romania_Transylvania_Brasov
4.73253632	Romania_Transylvania_Alba
5.95916101	Romania_Transylvania_Cluj
5.97319847	Romania_Transylvania_Sibiu
6.15219473	Romania_Transylvania_Mures
6.26657801	Romania_Transylvania_Bistrita-Nasaud
6.61525510	Romania_Banat_Timis
6.70812194	Romania_Transylvania_Hunedoara
6.71652440	Romania_Banat_Caras-Severin
7.06283937	Romania_Crisana_Bihor
10.03215829	Romania_Maramures_Maramures
10.11870545	Romania_Transylvania_1/4Roma
10.39879320	Romania_Transylvania_Szekler
10.48445516	Romania_Crisana_Salaj
12.19219422	Romania_Maramures_SatuMare
13.61535530	Romania_Transylvania_Hungarian

[Mingle]

Yes, they don't count. Outside of Szekely Land only those who live between Braşov and Sibiu, in a region called Szászföld (Ținutul Saşilor) count as Szekelys.

Are they called something else?

[Cybele]

Target: Mures_ind
Distance: 2.6520% / 2.65201928 | ADC: 0.25x
97.6 Romania_Moldavia_North
1.2 Ukrainian_Ivano_Frankivsk
1.2 Romania_Moldavia_Jewish

I wonder if this is some influence from Rusyn minority. Many Rusyns and Romanians(from Transylvania) were Greek Catholic, so perhaps common religion facilitated intermarriage?!
Is strange though, for example in my family the test shows the clear presence of smaller East European percentages, yet when I asked nobody knew about Slavic mixing.

[Cybele]

Does Arad have a solid history of ethnic presence?
All but one of my samples from there seem to have more North Atlantic than Baltic, but they all report only Romanian ancestry in their family trees.

There were a multitude of ethnicities living in Arad, during the time. The higher than average North Atlantic in some samples could be maybe attributed to Swabian presence in the area. And the fact that they have no idea about it is maybe because the admixture happend many generations ago, or perhaps their ancestors tried to keep it hidden.

[Leto]

in my family the test shows the clear presence of smaller East European percentages, yet when I asked nobody knew about Slavic mixing.

What is the normal East European range for Romanians on 23andme? 50% would be above the average?

[WeirdLookingFellow]

What is the normal East European range for Romanians on 23andme? 50% would be above the average?

Based on some of the results I've seen I think 10-25% in Moldavians ( in Romania ) and 1-15% in Wallachians.

Băsescu probably saw more.

[Leto]

Based on some of the results I've seen I think 10-25% in Moldavians ( in Romania ) and 1-15% in Wallachians.

Băsescu probably saw more.

I see.
I was just trying to figure out why a supposed half Lipovan from Romania on Reddit got 74% East European. Okay, let's assume the Lipovan side was 95+% EE. Then the Romanian side must be around 50% as well. Unfortunately she doesn't seem to care about Gedmatch and I'd love to see some Lipovans.

[Cybele]

What is the normal East European range for Romanians on 23andme? 50% would be above the average?

It depends on region. 50% it is above average for Wallachia for example. This is a good thread to see:
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...lic-of-Moldova

[WeirdLookingFellow]

I see.
I was just trying to figure out why a supposed half Lipovan from Romania on Reddit got 74% East European. Okay, let's assume the Lipovan side was 95+% EE. Then the Romanian side must be around 50% as well. Unfortunately she doesn't seem to care about Gedmatch and I'd love to see some Lipovans.

Her main region is Suceava, I can bet her Lipovan part is from that area as well and the Romanian might be mixed with Ukrainian.

Even so, maybe Băsescu convinces her to get into his database.

[Ion Basescul]

I wonder if this is some influence from Rusyn minority. Many Rusyns and Romanians(from Transylvania) were Greek Catholic, so perhaps common religion facilitated intermarriage?!
Is strange though, for example in my family the test shows the clear presence of smaller East European percentages, yet when I asked nobody knew about Slavic mixing.

To be fair that's a very small contribution and at a fairly decent distance. I think that if I take them out the fit won't worsen considerably, so the model can be explained even without them. In general, the more to the North one goes, the higher in theory the admix similar to North Slavs increases. The opposite is true towards the South, where the similarity to Bulgarians increases.