MENA and genetic distances

[gixajo]

their main component isn't IBM but anatolian (iberia_N)

what makes north africans quite distinct is their iberomaurusian component + SSA (the iberomaurusian component itself is composed of ANA which is quite archaic and non-eurasian)

So make an ancient references-based model for North Africans, nobody has still done one of those models for NA people.

[Hamilcar]

So make an ancient references-based model for North Africans, nobody has still done one of those models for NA people.

I actually did. Here a result :

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[gixajo]

I actually did. Here a result :

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Post sources, please.

[Hamilcar]

Post sources, please.

Iberia_N,0.1239407,0.1755737,0.0341921,-0.0626261,0.0768007,-0.0339317,-0.004439,-0.0011793,0.0618117,0.0996021,0.0021292,0.015586,-0.0343077,-0.0108723,-0.0189858,-0.0058929,0.0074029,0.001844,0.0048463,-0.0070036,0.002468,0.0035996,-0.008148,-0.0235909,9.3e-05
MAR_EN,-0.1735805,0.0919055,-0.0258325,-0.083657,0.0283125,-0.0596825,-0.079316,0.021461,0.1500185,0.0043735,0.0222475,-0.0264515,0.075148,-0.0461725,0.069353,-0.03381,0.0171455,-0.05549,-0.1487635,0.0340785,-0.038245,-0.118212,0.0826995,-0.009941,0.021615
Yamnaya_RUS_Samara,0.1255849,0.089028,0.0426986,0.1153479,-0.0287232,0.0450564,0.0036033,-0.0025642,-0.0559032,-0.0728943,0.0018222,3.32e-05,-0.0026924,-0.0233041,0.0366141,0.0157633,-0.0012316,-0.0017879,-0.0038408,0.0137704,-0.0031749,0.0007557,0.0110649,0.0186102,-0.004537
SSA,-0.915,0.1375,0.08,0.01,-0.01,0.0175,0.2525,-0.1925,-0.0515,0.0515,0.0155,-0.205,-0.065,0.001,0.005,-0.01,-0.002,-0.0425,0.01,-0.0075,-0.002,-0.0065,0,0.0085,-0.0115
SSA,-1.0455,0.155,0.0945,0.011,-0.0235,0.0465,-0.05,0.0775,-0.1425,0.0475,0.005,0.0075,0.0155,0.0075,0.005,-0.004,0.0095,0.0125,0.045,-0.0205,0.0065,0.025,-0.0175,0.005,-0.0075
WHG,0.1246365,0.116278,0.184789,0.189279,0.1546445,0.0464355,0.0131605,0.0372675,0.0890705,0.017768,-0.0153455,-0.015811,0.0159065,-0.0030275,0.053338,0.0582065,0.00502,0.016343,-0.0093015,0.055589,0.0944585,0.0111905,-0.049607,-0.160866,0.0170045
Levant_PPNC,0.067156,0.168578,-0.023004,-0.150842,0.028621,-0.071954,-0.013866,-0.017999,0.077719,0.037905,0.006496,-0.013188,0.032705,-0.000275,-0.014929,0.008486,-0.000913,-0.007728,-0.013575,0.012381,-0.009982,0.01014,0.002958,0.003012,-0.001916
IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N,0.0430252,0.0664158,-0.1550722,0.0047158,-0.122669,0.0235384,0.017109,-0.0011998,-0.082546,-0.0544158,-0.0028258,-0.0016186,0.0044896,-0.0062756,0.0316498,0.0561384,-0.0054242,0.0068664,0.0136508,-0.0334162,0.00856,-0.028836,-0.0110678,-0.039331,0.0222254
GEO_CHG,0.091058,0.102568,-0.083344,-0.00323,-0.08617,0.020638,0.024911,-0.001846,-0.128236,-0.074717,-0.006333,0.023979,-0.054856,0.004404,0.026601,-0.03275,0.02386,-0.013429,-0.022249,0.034767,0.033815,-0.007048,0.006532,-0.025787,-0.002036

replace yamnaya by corded ware DEU and you'll get more accurate result

[gixajo]

You could your ancient references model basing it in close distances wiyj modern population of NA:

Distance to: Berber_Tunisia_Sen
0.04365944 Canary_Islands_Guanche
0.06471772 Iberia_Central_CA_Afr
0.09491178 ITA_Sardinia_C_o
0.10576962 MAR_LN
0.10977115 Levant_Beirut_IAIII_Egyptian
0.11603930 EGY_Late_Period
0.11934713 EGY_Hellenistic
0.12005108 England_Roman_Near_Eastern_o
0.14084470 Levant_Natufian
0.14324386 ITA_Etruscan_o
0.14368171 ITA_Sardinia_Punic
0.14427299 Levant_LBN_MA_o1
0.14843695 Iberia_Southeast_c.5-8CE
0.14974247 Iberia_Southeast_c.3-4CE
0.14997637 Iberia_Ibiza_Punic
0.15022022 Levant_Beirut_Hellenistic
0.15027785 Levant_Megiddo_IBA
0.15091876 Levant_JOR_EBA
0.15097919 Iberia_Southeast_c.10-16CE
0.15184799 Levant_PPNB
0.15250344 Levant_PPNC
0.15309565 Levant_Ashkelon_IA2
0.15451933 Levant_Sidon_MBA
0.15640338 Levant_LBN_MA
0.15811922 Levant_Beirut_IAIII

Distance to: Berber_Tunisia_Chen
0.02343112 Canary_Islands_Guanche
0.05568053 Iberia_Central_CA_Afr
0.08193070 ITA_Sardinia_C_o
0.09123985 MAR_LN
0.13013440 Levant_Beirut_IAIII_Egyptian
0.13282065 EGY_Late_Period
0.13804461 ITA_Etruscan_o
0.13859778 EGY_Hellenistic
0.13912020 England_Roman_Near_Eastern_o
0.13970870 ITA_Sardinia_Punic
0.14452228 Levant_LBN_MA_o1
0.14556715 Iberia_Southeast_c.5-8CE
0.14874817 Iberia_Southeast_c.3-4CE
0.14974246 Iberia_Southeast_c.10-16CE
0.15071524 Iberia_Ibiza_Punic
0.15282617 Levant_Natufian
0.15728405 Levant_PPNC
0.15851056 Levant_PPNB
0.16352007 ITA_Sardinia_Late_Antiquity
0.16699571 Levant_Megiddo_IBA
0.16816572 Levant_Beirut_Hellenistic
0.16857444 Levant_Ashkelon_IA2
0.16949042 Levant_JOR_EBA
0.17123988 Levant_Sidon_MBA
0.17139555 Levant_LBN_MA

Distance to: Berber_MAR_TIZ
0.05228388 ITA_Sardinia_C_o
0.06844427 Canary_Islands_Guanche
0.07770155 Iberia_Central_CA_Afr
0.14905237 MAR_LN
0.19306631 Levant_Beirut_IAIII_Egyptian
0.19323267 Levant_Natufian
0.19704558 EGY_Late_Period
0.19863528 EGY_Hellenistic
0.20212949 MAR_EN
0.20324389 England_Roman_Near_Eastern_o
0.20791619 ITA_Etruscan_o
0.20991424 KEN_Early_Pastoral_N
0.21086511 ITA_Sardinia_Punic
0.21089356 MAR_Taforalt
0.21166428 Levant_LBN_MA_o1
0.21366690 Iberia_Southeast_c.5-8CE
0.21673107 Iberia_Southeast_c.3-4CE
0.21763032 Iberia_Southeast_c.10-16CE
0.21906548 Iberia_Ibiza_Punic
0.21907351 Levant_PPNC
0.22210886 Levant_PPNB
0.22970551 KEN_Pastoral_N_o
0.23221691 Levant_Beirut_Hellenistic
0.23316045 Levant_Megiddo_IBA
0.23317294 Levant_JOR_EBA

Distance to: Berber_MAR_ERR
0.05533428 Canary_Islands_Guanche
0.06079131 ITA_Sardinia_C_o
0.06820799 Iberia_Central_CA_Afr
0.14058299 MAR_LN
0.17542530 Levant_Beirut_IAIII_Egyptian
0.18070619 EGY_Late_Period
0.18139090 EGY_Hellenistic
0.18521540 Levant_Natufian
0.18599474 England_Roman_Near_Eastern_o
0.19140986 ITA_Etruscan_o
0.19316514 Levant_LBN_MA_o1
0.19475320 ITA_Sardinia_Punic
0.19621512 Iberia_Southeast_c.5-8CE
0.19936772 Iberia_Southeast_c.3-4CE
0.19984909 Iberia_Southeast_c.10-16CE
0.20129553 Iberia_Ibiza_Punic
0.20775706 Levant_PPNC
0.20999016 Levant_PPNB
0.21075057 KEN_Early_Pastoral_N
0.21254667 Levant_Beirut_Hellenistic
0.21604681 Levant_Megiddo_IBA
0.21682458 Levant_JOR_EBA
0.21750167 Levant_Ashkelon_IA2
0.21754449 ITA_Sardinia_Late_Antiquity
0.21977856 Levant_LBN_MA

Distance to: Berber_Algeria
0.15870383 TZA_Luxmanda_3100BP
0.16120002 TZA_PN_o
0.16479961 KEN_Pastoral_N_o
0.16492078 TZA_PN
0.16668839 KEN_HyraxHill_2300BP
0.16737446 KEN_Pastoral_N_Elmenteitan
0.16885232 KEN_Pastoral_N
0.17312206 KEN_Early_Pastoral_N
0.17360723 KEN_LuKENHill_3500BP
0.17628619 KEN_MoloCave_1500BP
0.20046255 KEN_Pastoral_IA
0.23115682 KEN_400BP
0.24460026 ITA_Sardinia_C_o
0.26467072 Iberia_Central_CA_Afr
0.26584827 Canary_Islands_Guanche
0.26967780 KEN_IA_Deloraine
0.28075206 MAR_Taforalt
0.28462333 MAR_EN
0.29550245 KEN_Kakapel_900BP
0.29935506 ETH_4500BP
0.31473088 KEN_LSA
0.31741238 KEN_Kakapel_300BP
0.32682592 KEN_Nyarindi_3500BP
0.33334734 BWA_Xaro_1400BP
0.33830106 MAR_LN

Distance to: Berber_Zenatan
0.03042176 Canary_Islands_Guanche
0.06345312 Iberia_Central_CA_Afr
0.08761292 MAR_LN
0.09610075 ITA_Sardinia_C_o
0.12139263 Levant_Beirut_IAIII_Egyptian
0.12482294 EGY_Late_Period
0.12829280 ITA_Etruscan_o
0.12902872 ITA_Sardinia_Punic
0.12967076 England_Roman_Near_Eastern_o
0.13136964 EGY_Hellenistic
0.13276369 Levant_LBN_MA_o1
0.13299230 Iberia_Southeast_c.5-8CE
0.13592003 Iberia_Southeast_c.3-4CE
0.13615863 Iberia_Southeast_c.10-16CE
0.13835182 Iberia_Ibiza_Punic
0.14795629 Levant_Natufian
0.15092955 ITA_Sardinia_Late_Antiquity
0.15190942 Levant_PPNB
0.15248452 Levant_PPNC
0.15776420 Levant_Megiddo_IBA
0.15902758 Levant_Beirut_Hellenistic
0.15934732 Levant_Ashkelon_IA2
0.16008066 Levant_JOR_EBA
0.16198507 Levant_Sidon_MBA
0.16203042 Levant_Beirut_IAIII

Distance to: Berber_ALG_Chaoui
0.02849227 Canary_Islands_Guanche
0.05995485 Iberia_Central_CA_Afr
0.08750075 MAR_LN
0.09247895 ITA_Sardinia_C_o
0.12455812 Levant_Beirut_IAIII_Egyptian
0.12864909 EGY_Late_Period
0.13077347 ITA_Etruscan_o
0.13204158 ITA_Sardinia_Punic
0.13256982 England_Roman_Near_Eastern_o
0.13484290 EGY_Hellenistic
0.13536600 Levant_LBN_MA_o1
0.13732521 Iberia_Southeast_c.5-8CE
0.13961695 Iberia_Southeast_c.3-4CE
0.14132228 Iberia_Southeast_c.10-16CE
0.14152597 Iberia_Ibiza_Punic
0.15434223 Levant_Natufian
0.15474827 Levant_PPNC
0.15479760 Levant_PPNB
0.15611885 ITA_Sardinia_Late_Antiquity
0.16028559 Levant_Beirut_Hellenistic
0.16061834 Levant_Megiddo_IBA
0.16288337 Levant_Ashkelon_IA2
0.16376371 Levant_LBN_MA
0.16397064 Levant_JOR_EBA
0.16478192 Levant_Beirut_IAIII

Distance to: Algerian
0.04423136 Canary_Islands_Guanche
0.06469869 Iberia_Central_CA_Afr
0.08600771 ITA_Sardinia_C_o
0.12332815 MAR_LN
0.14231230 Levant_Beirut_IAIII_Egyptian
0.14936423 EGY_Late_Period
0.15130449 EGY_Hellenistic
0.15240899 England_Roman_Near_Eastern_o
0.16070396 Levant_LBN_MA_o1
0.16142629 ITA_Etruscan_o
0.16412597 ITA_Sardinia_Punic
0.16485840 Iberia_Southeast_c.5-8CE
0.16716347 Iberia_Southeast_c.3-4CE
0.16799788 Iberia_Southeast_c.10-16CE
0.16889549 Iberia_Ibiza_Punic
0.17085125 Levant_Natufian
0.17600870 Levant_Beirut_Hellenistic
0.18285623 Levant_Megiddo_IBA
0.18322601 ITA_Sardinia_Late_Antiquity
0.18341966 Levant_Ashkelon_IA2
0.18354503 Levant_PPNC
0.18362488 Levant_PPNB
0.18399562 Levant_LBN_MA
0.18446180 Levant_JOR_EBA
0.18494260 Levant_Sidon_MBA

Distance to: Moroccan_South
0.12844459 ITA_Sardinia_C_o
0.14815284 Canary_Islands_Guanche
0.15061521 Iberia_Central_CA_Afr
0.16572633 KEN_Early_Pastoral_N
0.17703673 KEN_Pastoral_N_o
0.18367781 TZA_PN_o
0.19172676 KEN_HyraxHill_2300BP
0.19452268 TZA_PN
0.19674086 KEN_Pastoral_N_Elmenteitan
0.19988555 TZA_Luxmanda_3100BP
0.20465429 KEN_Pastoral_N
0.20727203 KEN_LuKENHill_3500BP
0.21741161 MAR_EN
0.21998846 MAR_Taforalt
0.22590035 MAR_LN
0.22727164 KEN_MoloCave_1500BP
0.25509691 Levant_Beirut_IAIII_Egyptian
0.26015306 EGY_Hellenistic
0.26148942 Levant_Natufian
0.26235430 EGY_Late_Period
0.26510301 England_Roman_Near_Eastern_o
0.27139755 Levant_LBN_MA_o1
0.27375702 ITA_Etruscan_o
0.27558780 Iberia_Southeast_c.5-8CE
0.27829801 ITA_Sardinia_Punic

Distance to: Moroccan_North
0.02140158 Canary_Islands_Guanche
0.05727754 Iberia_Central_CA_Afr
0.09094815 MAR_LN
0.09185948 ITA_Sardinia_C_o
0.12654417 Levant_Beirut_IAIII_Egyptian
0.13025212 ITA_Etruscan_o
0.13148008 EGY_Late_Period
0.13235656 ITA_Sardinia_Punic
0.13373329 Levant_LBN_MA_o1
0.13529477 Iberia_Southeast_c.5-8CE
0.13577150 England_Roman_Near_Eastern_o
0.13696812 EGY_Hellenistic
0.13821447 Iberia_Southeast_c.3-4CE
0.13931236 Iberia_Southeast_c.10-16CE
0.14019187 Iberia_Ibiza_Punic
0.15568368 ITA_Sardinia_Late_Antiquity
0.15618275 Levant_Natufian
0.15861345 Levant_PPNB
0.15926963 Levant_PPNC
0.16191246 Levant_Beirut_Hellenistic
0.16389046 Levant_Megiddo_IBA
0.16468870 Levant_Ashkelon_IA2
0.16584487 Levant_LBN_MA
0.16617444 Levant_JOR_EBA
0.16664270 Levant_Beirut_IAIII

Distance to: Moroccan
0.05516866 Canary_Islands_Guanche
0.07073795 Iberia_Central_CA_Afr
0.07777242 ITA_Sardinia_C_o
0.13665123 MAR_LN
0.15697679 Levant_Beirut_IAIII_Egyptian
0.16362445 EGY_Late_Period
0.16451036 EGY_Hellenistic
0.16738137 England_Roman_Near_Eastern_o
0.17483106 Levant_Natufian
0.18191813 Levant_LBN_MA_o1
0.18280868 ITA_Etruscan_o
0.18500204 ITA_Sardinia_Punic
0.18627787 Iberia_Southeast_c.5-8CE
0.18831758 Iberia_Southeast_c.3-4CE
0.18912942 Iberia_Southeast_c.10-16CE
0.18960985 Iberia_Ibiza_Punic
0.19328298 Levant_Beirut_Hellenistic
0.19645937 Levant_PPNC
0.19712384 Levant_PPNB
0.19765787 Levant_JOR_EBA
0.19774644 Levant_Megiddo_IBA
0.19868967 Levant_Ashkelon_IA2
0.20062252 Levant_Sidon_MBA
0.20113269 Levant_LBN_MA
0.20331987 ITA_Sardinia_Late_Antiquity

I see no Iberia_N reference inside closest distances to modern NA.

[Hamilcar]

You could your ancient references model basing it in close distances wiyj modern population of NA:



I see no Iberia_N reference inside closest distances to modern NA.

I don't understand your point ? I said north africans are mostly EEF not that EEF was their closest population

[gixajo]

My father will score quite high in this.

Target: Iberia_N
Distance: 4.2288% / 0.04228835
100.0 Sardinian

[gixajo]

I don't understand your point ? I said north africans are mostly EEF not that EEF was their closest population

Nah, I didn´t know Iberia_N reference, I guess it´s an Iberian Neolithic sample, I´ve just seen it in the datasheet.

[gixajo]

I don't understand your point ? I said north africans are mostly EEF not that EEF was their closest population

My point is that I didn´t understand well the Iberian_N in that sources, because that reference is not close to modern NA, but it´s ok, you can score in a reference indepently of the distance.

[gixajo]

Double.

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