MENA and genetic distances

[gixajo]

The problem is that CordedWare and Iberian_N eat all the WHG.

Target: gixajo_scaled
Distance: 2.0949% / 0.02094851
47.6 Iberia_N
43.2 Corded_Ware_DEU
4.8 Levant_PPNC
2.8 WHG
1.6 MAR_EN

Target: gixajo_dad_scaled
Distance: 1.8735% / 0.01873518
51.2 Iberia_N
40.6 Corded_Ware_DEU
5.4 Levant_PPNC
2.0 MAR_EN
0.8 SSA

Target: gixajo_mom_scaled
Distance: 2.7077% / 0.02707658
49.6 Iberia_N
45.4 Corded_Ware_DEU
2.6 WHG
2.4 MAR_EN

[Hamilcar]

My point is that I didn´t understand well the Iberian_N in that sources, because that reference is not close to modern NA, but it´s ok, you can score in a reference indepently of the distance.

iberia_N are basically EEF (anatolian +some WHG) and north africans got it from Iberia that's why this source is better than directly anatolia_barcin

By 3,000 BCE, a continuity in the Neolithic spread brought Mediterranean-like ancestry to the Maghreb, most likely from Iberia. Other archaeological remains, such as African elephant ivory and ostrich eggs found in Iberian sites, confirm the existence of contacts and exchange networks through both sides of the Gibraltar strait at this time. Our analyses strongly support that at least some of the European ancestry observed today in North Africa is related to prehistoric migrations, and local Berber populations were already admixed with Europeans before the Roman conquest. Furthermore, additional European/Iberian ancestry could have reached the Maghreb after KEB people; this scenario is supported by the presence of Iberian-like Bell-Beaker pottery in more recent stratigraphic layers of IAM and KEB caves. Future paleogenomic efforts in North Africa will further disentangle the complex history of migrations that forged the ancestry of the admixed populations we observe today.

https://www.pnas.org/content/115/26/6774#sec-2

[Hamilcar]

The problem is that CordedWare and Iberian_N eat all the WHG.

Target: gixajo_scaled
Distance: 2.0949% / 0.02094851
47.6 Iberia_N
43.2 Corded_Ware_DEU
4.8 Levant_PPNC
2.8 WHG
1.6 MAR_EN

Target: gixajo_dad_scaled
Distance: 1.8735% / 0.01873518
51.2 Iberia_N
40.6 Corded_Ware_DEU
5.4 Levant_PPNC
2.0 MAR_EN
0.8 SSA

Target: gixajo_mom_scaled
Distance: 2.7077% / 0.02707658
49.6 Iberia_N
45.4 Corded_Ware_DEU
2.6 WHG
2.4 MAR_EN

I primarly made this model for north africans but as long as it is accurate for you I don't see the problem

[gixajo]

iberia_N are basically EEF (anatolian +some WHG) and north africans got it from Iberia that's why this source is better than directly anatolia_barcin



https://www.pnas.org/content/115/26/6774#sec-2

I see, it´s 100% Sardinian comparing with modern population, and Sardinians era suposedly 100% EEF, isn´t it?

[Hamilcar]

I see, it´s 100% Sardinian comparing with modern population, and Sardinians era suposedly 100% EEF, isn´t it?

they also have some WHG (so yes )

[gixajo]

I primarly made this model for north africans but as long as it is accurate for you I don't see the problem

I don´t see any problem in this. Very good distances.

[gixajo]

[Hapanuwa]

Using unscaled would be better in the case of Turks because then we get more realistic distances.

As you can see, the majority of Turks are closer to Greeks, in particular the Islanders, which I heard are the most ''pure'' Greeks.
The following are closer to Syrians than Greeks: Turkish_Adana, Turkish_Kayseri, Turkish_South are closer to Syrians than Greeks. You could add Turkish_East to the list since Syrians is the second closest sample after Greek_Trabzon, which are mainly Caucasians with minor Greek heritage/blood.

We can observe that Turks mainly from the south are closer to Syrians because of their geographic position, as well as those in and near Kayseri/central and the east.

Distance to:	Turkish_Adana
0.01784145	Syrian
0.01994243	Greek_Crete
0.02061251	Greek_Kos
0.02346327	Greek_Trabzon
0.02482263	Greek_Izmir
0.02896945	Greek_Thessaly
0.02927663	Greek_Peloponnese
0.02998872	Greek_Central_Macedonia

Distance to:	Turkish_Aydin
0.01877344	Greek_Crete
0.01994064	Greek_Kos
0.02172542	Syrian
0.02178996	Greek_Izmir
0.02490460	Greek_Trabzon
0.02511359	Greek_Thessaly
0.02566405	Greek_Peloponnese
0.02582531	Greek_Central_Macedonia

Distance to:	Turkish_Balikesir
0.01948898	Greek_Crete
0.02194330	Greek_Kos
0.02245078	Greek_Izmir
0.02302996	Greek_Thessaly
0.02387953	Syrian
0.02629593	Greek_Central_Macedonia
0.02646160	Greek_Peloponnese
0.02843589	Greek_Trabzon

Distance to:	Turkish_Central
0.01887396	Greek_Crete
0.01942576	Syrian
0.02005557	Greek_Kos
0.02013592	Greek_Trabzon
0.02371669	Greek_Izmir
0.02744376	Greek_Thessaly
0.02812080	Greek_Peloponnese
0.02897059	Greek_Central_Macedonia

Distance to:	Turkish_Deliorman
0.01624582	Greek_Central_Macedonia
0.01824554	Greek_Thessaly
0.02088825	Greek_Izmir
0.02219222	Greek_Crete
0.02365119	Greek_Peloponnese
0.02720902	Greek_Kos
0.03275295	Syrian
0.03918897	Greek_Trabzon

Distance to:	Turkish_East
0.01872385	Greek_Trabzon
0.02243736	Syrian
0.02515997	Greek_Kos
0.02620040	Greek_Crete
0.03018861	Greek_Izmir
0.03431449	Greek_Thessaly
0.03452051	Greek_Peloponnese
0.03595541	Greek_Central_Macedonia

Distance to:	Turkish_Istanbul
0.01637540	Greek_Crete
0.01784798	Greek_Kos
0.01834752	Greek_Izmir
0.02138297	Greek_Thessaly
0.02214908	Greek_Central_Macedonia
0.02248117	Greek_Peloponnese
0.02262309	Syrian
0.02466398	Greek_Trabzon

Distance to:	Turkish_Kayseri
0.01798480	Syrian
0.01911952	Greek_Crete
0.01997484	Greek_Kos
0.02034873	Greek_Trabzon
0.02473661	Greek_Izmir
0.02861173	Greek_Thessaly
0.02903755	Greek_Peloponnese
0.03020710	Greek_Central_Macedonia

Distance to:	Turkish_North
0.01976820	Greek_Crete
0.02121273	Greek_Trabzon
0.02185016	Greek_Kos
0.02386951	Greek_Izmir
0.02415070	Syrian
0.02645427	Greek_Thessaly
0.02787251	Greek_Peloponnese
0.02849981	Greek_Central_Macedonia

Distance to:	Turkish_Northwest
0.01994647	Greek_Crete
0.02103744	Greek_Kos
0.02145824	Greek_Izmir
0.02373781	Syrian
0.02464398	Greek_Thessaly
0.02483534	Greek_Central_Macedonia
0.02505480	Greek_Peloponnese
0.02604756	Greek_Trabzon

Distance to:	Turkish_Rumeli
0.01526319	Greek_Central_Macedonia
0.01605310	Greek_Izmir
0.01750382	Greek_Peloponnese
0.01949470	Greek_Thessaly
0.02170193	Greek_Kos
0.02172862	Greek_Crete
0.03024243	Syrian
0.03893812	Greek_Trabzon

Distance to:	Turkish_South
0.02177927	Syrian
0.02305869	Greek_Kos
0.02338524	Greek_Crete
0.02544025	Greek_Trabzon
0.02563789	Greek_Izmir
0.02945272	Greek_Peloponnese
0.02969342	Greek_Thessaly
0.03028192	Greek_Central_Macedonia

Distance to:	Turkish_Southwest
0.01932703	Greek_Kos
0.02143404	Greek_Izmir
0.02172719	Greek_Crete
0.02319360	Syrian
0.02484757	Greek_Peloponnese
0.02646159	Greek_Central_Macedonia
0.02707384	Greek_Thessaly
0.02873860	Greek_Trabzon

Distance to:	Turkish_Trabzon
0.00773454	Greek_Trabzon
0.02605322	Greek_Kos
0.02740232	Greek_Crete
0.02909261	Syrian
0.03184213	Greek_Izmir
0.03537909	Greek_Peloponnese
0.03679198	Greek_Thessaly
0.03789571	Greek_Central_Macedonia

Here's my results as well:

Distance to:	Hapanuwa
0.02002565	Greek_Crete
0.02069085	Greek_Kos
0.02170694	Greek_Izmir
0.02355109	Syrian
0.02446671	Greek_Thessaly
0.02548177	Greek_Peloponnese
0.02634553	Greek_Trabzon
0.02639545	Greek_Central_Macedonia

[gixajo]

Quite good distances for italians too:

[Hamilcar]

Using unscaled would be better in the case of Turks because then we get more realistic distances.

As you can see, the majority of Turks are closer to Greeks, in particular the Islanders, which I heard are the most ''pure'' Greeks.
The following are closer to Syrians than Greeks: Turkish_Adana, Turkish_Kayseri, Turkish_South are closer to Syrians than Greeks. You could add Turkish_East to the list since Syrians is the second closest sample after Greek_Trabzon, which are mainly Caucasians with minor Greek heritage/blood.

We can observe that Turks mainly from the south are closer to Syrians because of their geographic position, as well as those in and near Kayseri/central and the east.

No unscaled is absolutely not accurate when it comes to distances ask anyone if you don't trust me