MENA and genetic distances

[Hamilcar]

Quite good distances for italians too:

many of them have more ME ancestry than north africans

[gixajo]

For central europeans countries and balkans maybe better add yamnaya also because they get higher distances?

[Hamilcar]

For central europeans countries and balkans maybe better add yamnaya also because they get higher distances?

in the case of greeks try levant_PPNB, Devil's cave gate and yamnaya BGR

[gixajo]

Nah, I think the old Rocinante model with ancient components it´s better and more accurate than yours, but it´s ok.

Adamm did a very similar one, maybe mixing those 3 models...

[Hamilcar]

Nah, I think the old Rocinante model with ancient components it´s better and more accurate than yours, but it´s ok.

Adamm did a very similar one, maybe mixing those 3 models...

I told you I made this model for north africans certainly not central and east europeans lol

[gixajo]

many of them have more ME ancestry than north africans

Maybe, but most of your components are quite mixed so probably these results are not accurate, i doubt that North Italians have so ME as this indicates.

I cannot have more WHG than my mother, and my mother cannot have more Mar_EN than my father or me for example, and my mother should have scored some Levant also.

So beautiful model, but you will have work more in it.

[gixajo]

I told you I made this model for north africans certainly not central and east europeans lol

But Italians get also very good distances, but I don´t think those results define them well.

But of course, I could be wrong, I don´t know a lot about ancient references (still).

[Hapanuwa]

No unscaled is absolutely not accurate when it comes to distances ask anyone if you don't trust me

It's not about that I don't trust you. What I'm referring to is that ''scaled overestimate the difference between East Eurasian and West Eurasian. Despite it might be good while using the ADMIXTURE method it is definitely worse on single population sharing'', to quote Kaspias, who is the most knowledgeable member about Turkish genetics here.

Because of the East Eurasian of Turks, even those in the west are getting plotted in the Caucasus, while they are very similar to the Islanders that live near them.

Just look at my scaled as an example. There's no way that I'm closer to Caucasians, Ezids, Roma's from Madrid and Kurds, who are miles far than to Greek_Kos or Greek_Central_Anatolia (basically Indigenous Anatolians) next door.

Distance to:	Hapanuwa_scaled
0.02957951	Turkish_North
0.02998560	Turkish_Central
0.03074841	Turkish_Istanbul
0.03099855	Turkish_Aydin
0.03200710	Turkish_Balikesir
0.03259897	Turkish_Northwest
0.03457727	Turkish_Southwest
0.03858439	Turkish_Adana
0.03908261	Turkish_South
0.04022503	Turkish_Kayseri
0.05293618	Turkish_Rumeli
0.05542821	Azeri
0.05779079	Azeri_Turkey
0.05872379	Turkish_East
0.05883111	Kumyk
0.05898135	Kabardin
0.06145890	Azeri_Dagestan
0.06509345	Abazin
0.06514907	Cherkes
0.06530046	Karachay
0.06560158	Circassian
0.06685415	Ashkenazi_Lithuania
0.06692696	Ashkenazi_Russia
0.06813410	Ashkenazi_Belarussia
0.06916515	Turkish_Deliorman
0.07074870	Balkar
0.07075192	Ashkenazi_Ukraine
0.07181428	Ashkenazi_Poland
0.07299873	Ezid
0.07374110	Talysh_Azerbaijan
0.07460248	Roma_Madrid
0.07530668	Adygei
0.07640529	Greek_Crete
0.07671711	Ingushian
0.07757843	Iranian_Fars
0.07772325	Kurdish
0.07810150	Greek_Kos
0.07835223	Ashkenazi_Germany
0.07870179	Greek_Central_Anatolia
0.07903267	North_Ossetian

[Hamilcar]

It's not about that I don't trust you. What I'm referring to is that ''scaled overestimate the difference between East Eurasian and West Eurasian. Despite it might be good while using the ADMIXTURE method it is definitely worse on single population sharing'', to quote Kaspias, who is the most knowledgeable member about Turkish genetics here.

Because of the East Eurasian of Turks, even those in the west are getting plotted in the Caucasus, while they are very similar to the Islanders that live near them.

Just look at my scaled as an example. There's no way that I'm closer to Caucasians, Ezids, Roma's from Madrid and Kurds, who are miles far than to Greek_Kos or Greek_Central_Anatolia (basically Indigenous Anatolians) next door.

why does it surprise you if you have east eurasian admixture + way more west asian admixture ?? Also by following your logic that would makes north africans closer to europeans than middle easterners which is ridiculous

[Hapanuwa]

why does it surprise you if you have east eurasian admixture + way more west asian admixture ?? Also by following your logic that would makes north africans closer to europeans than middle easterners which is ridiculous

I'm not surprised, I'm simply explaining to you why I think that it is unfair to claim that the great majority of Turks are closer to Syrians than to Greeks when you use scaled, which is not a good representative when you're using it for singe population sharing. If you want to look for the distance for Turks, unscaled is clearly a better fit. I mean many of those near the Aegean coast have actual Greek heritage but would get better distances to Syrians and Caucasians, while the East Eurasian is the only thing seperating them from the Greek Islanders

I don't know enough about North Africans, so I won't talk about that but it wouldn't surprise me if there are people who are closer to (South) Europeans (Iberians in particular) than the ME.