Transylvanian/Romanian GEDmatch Results

**WeirdLookingFellow** · 09-04-2020, 04:52 PM

Originally Posted by Cybele

It depends on region. 50% it is above average for Wallachia for example. This is a good thread to see:
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...lic-of-Moldova

Ah yes, forgot about this thread.

@lLeto, check the Botoșani/Suceava people, they seem to score 30-50% Eastern European therefore it's definitely possible for the half Lipovan to be 75%.

**Aspirin** · 09-04-2020, 04:53 PM

Originally Posted by WeirdLookingFellow

Based on some of the results I've seen I think 10-25% in Moldavians ( in Romania ) and 1-15% in Wallachians.

Băsescu probably saw more.

10-25%? Is more.

**~~Ion Basescul~~** · 09-04-2020, 05:01 PM

Originally Posted by Leto

What is the normal East European range for Romanians on 23andme? 50% would be above the average?

50% is above average even for R. Moldova. Here the average is about 43-45%. Persons of confirmed 1/4 Ukrainian and Russian ancestry average at around 54-58%. Halfies (only one example though) are at 62%. There are also two individuals who are 3/4 Slavic, but are quite different, probably because for one the Moldovan part is from the North and the other Chisinau and also because that one from Chisinau is 2/4 Ukrainian and 1/4 Russian, while the other one 3/4 Russian. They are at 64% and 74% East Euro respectively.

In Romania, the average is way lower, but I saw sampels ranging from literally 100% Balkan to 53% East Euro. So her Romanian part could be from the North in Romania. You might not be aware but the Dobruja region from where she is was fairly recently settled by people from all over the country and beyond. Also it might be worth remembering that cases of being perfect halves of the parents results are not that common.

**WeirdLookingFellow** · 09-04-2020, 05:04 PM

Originally Posted by Aspirin

10-25%? Is more.

I don't think we have enough samples to clearly state it - I'd say it's ok to estimate that some Focsani/Galati people will be in the range of 10-20%, with 15-30% in the centre.

**Coastal Elite** · 09-12-2020, 11:01 PM

I know a Romanian-American woman that recently set over 20 AncestryDNA kits to villages in Southern Transylvania were she had extended family and friends. I'm hoping I'll have some more samples to provide in the near future.

**~~Ion Basescul~~** · 09-13-2020, 01:55 AM

Originally Posted by Daco Celtic

I know a Romanian-American woman that recently set over 20 AncestryDNA kits to villages in Southern Transylvania were she had extended family and friends. I'm hoping I'll have some more samples to provide in the near future.

Looking forward to their K13 if you can get your hand on them.

**~~Ion Basescul~~** · 09-13-2020, 08:08 PM

From Alba

N_Atlantic	Baltic	West_Med	West_Asian	East_Med	Red_Sea	South_Asian	East_Asian	Siberian	Amerindian	Oceanian	NE_African	Sub-Saharan
28.28	24.25	16.65	9.21	16.34	1.67	1.68	0	1.75	0	0	0	0.17

Compared to others from Alba

N_Atlantic	Baltic	West_Med	West_Asian	East_Med	Red_Sea	South_Asian	East_Asian	Siberian	Amerindian	Oceanian	NE_African	Sub-Saharan
25.79	24.55	19.05	9.12	19.31	0.11	0	0.64	0.58	0	0.86	0	0
25.30	26.72	16.77	10.42	15.77	2.18	0.09	0	0.36	1.87	0.52	0	0
26.53	25.09	15.61	8.87	19.04	1.95	0.33	0.73	0.32	0.57	0.22	0.74	0
24.95	27.37	17.13	9.41	15.89	1.33	0.92	0.22	1.74	1.04	0	0	0
26.75	28.14	17.13	9.94	11.75	2.41	0.27	0	0.77	1.92	0.93	0	0
22.63	26.49	16.79	11.52	20.83	0.83	0	0.28	0.37	0	0.26	0	0
23.93	24.30	20.37	11.76	17.05	0	0	0	0	1.05	1.08	0	0.46
24.37	25.88	18.06	10.39	17.43	0.22	0	2.47	0.72	0.46	0	0	0
25.19	23.82	18.28	11.80	15.18	0.40	1.58	0	1.49	0.87	1.28	0	0.10
24.08	26.00	17.69	9.73	19.18	1.58	0.91	0	0	0.08	0.75	0	0
23.65	25.19	19.88	9.40	15.76	2.95	0	0	3.16	0	0	0	0
25.53	24.30	18.37	9.10	18.27	1.22	0	0.33	1.04	1.60	0.24	0	0

Distance to:	Alba_ind
4.82330799	Montenegrin
4.86611755	Romania_Crisana
4.98862707	Serb_Croatia_Dalmatia
5.26688713	Romania_Transylvania
5.42679463	Romanian_Oltenia
5.52766678	Romania_Moldavia_South
5.79067354	Bulgarian_Southwest
5.88951611	Hungarian_Szekely
5.92874354	Serb_Croatia
5.93144165	Bulgarian_Pleven
6.09148586	Romania_Moldavia_average
6.21407274	Serb_Croatia_Kordun&Banija
6.29522835	Serb_Croatia_Lika
6.38377339	Macedonian
6.44159918	Macedonian_Northwest
6.47348438	Bulgarian_Central
6.52009969	Serb
6.53128624	Serb_Serbia
6.55229731	Bosniak_Sandzak
6.59354988	Romanian_Wallachia
6.64592356	Serb_Serbia_Vojvodina
6.66839561	Serb_Serbia_South&East
6.68610499	Serb_Serbia_West&Central
6.77483579	Serb_B&H_Herzegovina
6.83592715	Hungarian_Transylvania

Distance to:	Alba_ind
4.86611755	Romania_Crisana
5.26688713	Romania_Transilvania
5.42679463	Romania_Oltenia
5.52766678	Romania_Moldova_Sud
5.77669481	Romania_Transilvania_Szekely
6.39622545	Romania_Moldova_Csango
6.81747507	Romania_Transilvania_Hungarian
7.00438434	Romania_Moldova_Nord
7.43135250	Romania_Muntenia
7.80339029	Romania_Maramures
7.88290556	Romania_Dobrogea
7.95523727	Romania_Banat
8.42046911	Bulgarian
10.18585293	Aromanian_North-Macedonia
10.67084345	Aromanian_North-Macedonia-Highlander
14.68506725	Aromanian_Central-Macedonia
15.97541549	Ukrainian_Ivano_Frankivsk
21.47000466	Ukrainian_Lviv
27.56206088	Crimean_Tatar
28.49804730	Romania_Jewish
30.07411512	Romania_Dobruja_Tatar
32.82453351	Romania_Roma

Target: Alba_ind
Distance: 2.4875% / 2.48748185 | ADC: 0.25x
75.8 Romania_Transilvania_Szekely
22.4 Aromanian_Central-Macedonia
1.6 Romania_Jewish
0.2 Romania_Roma

-Hungarians
Target: Alba_ind
Distance: 4.2306% / 4.23062530 | ADC: 0.25x
83.8 Romania_Crisana
13.6 Aromanian_North-Macedonia
2.6 Romania_Roma

Distance to:	Alba_ind
2.94370515	Romania_Crisana_Arad
3.82027486	Romania_Transylvania_Bistrita-Nasaud
4.08642876	Romania_Transylvania_Brasov
4.16135795	Romania_Transylvania_Alba
4.71005308	Romania_Transylvania_Mures
5.33955054	Romania_Transylvania_Sibiu
5.77711866	Romania_Transylvania_Cluj
5.86896925	Romania_Maramures_SatuMare
6.40376452	Romania_Transylvania_Hunedoara
6.57350744	Romania_Banat_Caras-Severin
7.02331830	Romania_Transylvania_Szekler
7.15669617	Romania_Banat_Timis
7.17788270	Romania_Crisana_Bihor
7.59360916	Romania_Maramures_Maramures
8.08428723	Romania_Crisana_Salaj
9.46918687	Romania_Transylvania_1/4Roma
10.30403804	Romania_Transylvania_Hungarian

**~~Ion Basescul~~** · 09-13-2020, 08:31 PM

Second sample from Bistrita-Nasaud

N_Atlantic	Baltic	West_Med	West_Asian	East_Med	Red_Sea	South_Asian	East_Asian	Siberian	Amerindian	Oceanian	NE_African	Sub-Saharan
24.90	26.47	18.47	10.71	15.18	1.11	0	0	1.85	0.81	0.47	0	0

Compared to others from Bistrita-Nasaud

N_Atlantic	Baltic	West_Med	West_Asian	East_Med	Red_Sea	South_Asian	East_Asian	Siberian	Amerindian	Oceanian	NE_African	Sub-Saharan
28.64	25.43	18.73	8.12	14.30	1.59	0	0.45	2.10	0.29	0.36	0	0

Distance to:	Bistrita_ind
2.49855959	Romania_Moldavia_South
2.94261788	Romania_Transylvania
2.99202273	Montenegrin
3.18146193	Bosniak_Sandzak
3.49887125	Serb_Croatia_Dalmatia
3.66431440	Romanian_Oltenia
3.68897005	Romania_Moldavia_average
3.80577193	Serb_Croatia
3.81625471	Serb_Serbia
3.83147491	Serb
3.90652019	Serb_Serbia_West&Central
3.91090782	Serb_Croatia_Kordun&Banija
4.16134594	Serb_Serbia_South&East
4.47381269	Serb_Serbia_Vojvodina
4.48981069	Serb_Croatia_Lika
4.51271537	Romania_Crisana
4.52859802	Serb_B&H_Krajina
4.55439348	Serb_B&H_Herzegovina
4.76797651	Romanian_Wallachia
4.88191326	Macedonian
4.91624857	Bulgarian_Pleven
4.94655436	Moldova_average
4.99301512	Serb_B&H
5.05665898	Moldova_South
5.09940193	Macedonian_Northwest

Distance to:	Bistrita_ind
2.49855959	Romania_Moldova_Sud
2.94261788	Romania_Transilvania
3.66431440	Romania_Oltenia
4.51271537	Romania_Crisana
5.10567332	Romania_Banat
5.15073781	Romania_Moldova_Nord
5.27727202	Romania_Maramures
5.88128387	Romania_Dobrogea
6.02446678	Romania_Moldova_Csango
6.09628575	Romania_Muntenia
6.35782088	Romania_Transilvania_Szekely
6.65748735	Romania_Transilvania_Hungarian
6.70754799	Bulgarian
9.66448654	Aromanian_North-Macedonia
10.29730062	Aromanian_North-Macedonia-Highlander
14.54029573	Ukrainian_Ivano_Frankivsk
14.81837710	Aromanian_Central-Macedonia
19.95397705	Ukrainian_Lviv
26.41686772	Crimean_Tatar
28.61814285	Romania_Dobruja_Tatar
29.50485723	Romania_Jewish
33.56745001	Romania_Roma

Target: Bistrita_ind
Distance: 2.2341% / 2.23410389 | ADC: 0.25x
66.2 Romania_Moldova_Sud
17.2 Romania_Transilvania_Hungarian
12.4 Romania_Oltenia
4.2 Aromanian_North-Macedonia

-Hungarian
Target: Bistrita_ind
Distance: 2.4986% / 2.49855959 | ADC: 0.25x
100.0 Romania_Moldova_Sud

Distance to:	Bistrita_ind
2.29357799	Romania_Transylvania_Sibiu
2.41648505	Romania_Transylvania_Bistrita-Nasaud
2.54389465	Romania_Transylvania_Alba
2.69475416	Romania_Transylvania_Mures
3.07808382	Romania_Transylvania_Cluj
3.73422013	Romania_Transylvania_Brasov
3.88930585	Romania_Crisana_Bihor
3.95970959	Romania_Banat_Caras-Severin
3.96916868	Romania_Maramures_SatuMare
4.14266822	Romania_Transylvania_Hunedoara
4.33390124	Romania_Crisana_Arad
4.52506354	Romania_Banat_Timis
5.44821072	Romania_Maramures_Maramures
5.50830282	Romania_Crisana_Salaj
7.30311577	Romania_Transylvania_Szekler
9.31829920	Romania_Transylvania_Hungarian
10.20319558	Romania_Transylvania_1/4Roma

**~~Ion Basescul~~** · 09-13-2020, 08:35 PM

Bistrita-Nasaud

N_Atlantic	Baltic	West_Med	West_Asian	East_Med	Red_Sea	South_Asian	East_Asian	Siberian	Amerindian	Oceanian	NE_African	Sub-Saharan
27.24	26.47	16.60	8.06	14.40	1.56	1.53	0.40	1.83	0.95	0.68	0.28	0

Compared to others from Bistrita-Nasaud

N_Atlantic	Baltic	West_Med	West_Asian	East_Med	Red_Sea	South_Asian	East_Asian	Siberian	Amerindian	Oceanian	NE_African	Sub-Saharan
28.64	25.43	18.73	8.12	14.30	1.59	0	0.45	2.10	0.29	0.36	0	0
24.90	26.47	18.47	10.71	15.18	1.11	0	0	1.85	0.81	0.47	0	0

Distance to:	Bistrita_ind
3.14726866	Romania_Crisana
3.16117067	Serb_Croatia_Dalmatia
3.18825971	Hungarian_Szekely
3.90937335	Serb_Croatia
3.91065212	Hungarian_Csango
3.93620375	Serb_Croatia_Lika
4.07731529	Hungarian_Transylvania
4.30886296	Serb_Croatia_Kordun&Banija
4.32936485	Romania_Moldavia_average
4.43832175	Serb_Serbia_Vojvodina
4.50129981	Serb
4.51825187	Serb_Serbia_West&Central
4.59333212	Serb_Serbia
4.62879034	Romania_Moldavia_South
4.88232527	Romania_Moldavia_North
5.13635084	Serb_B&H
5.16334194	Romania_Transylvania
5.21605215	Bulgarian_Pleven
5.21713523	Montenegrin
5.24646548	Serb_B&H_Bosnia_proper
5.28372974	Bosniak
5.43266969	Romania_Maramures
5.53635259	Serb_B&H_Herzegovina
5.56502471	Croat_Croatia_Dalmatia
5.64270325	Moldova_average

Distance to:	Bistrita_ind
3.14726866	Romania_Crisana
3.17795578	Romania_Transilvania_Szekely
3.47109493	Romania_Moldova_Csango
3.90618492	Romania_Transilvania_Hungarian
4.62879034	Romania_Moldova_Sud
4.86302375	Romania_Moldova_Nord
5.16334194	Romania_Transilvania
5.43266969	Romania_Maramures
6.02406009	Romania_Oltenia
7.94285843	Romania_Banat
8.30557644	Romania_Muntenia
8.49103056	Romania_Dobrogea
9.46677876	Bulgarian
11.90848437	Aromanian_North-Macedonia
12.28120108	Aromanian_North-Macedonia-Highlander
13.03920626	Ukrainian_Ivano_Frankivsk
16.80323778	Aromanian_Central-Macedonia
18.50674742	Ukrainian_Lviv
27.07471514	Crimean_Tatar
28.80433995	Romania_Dobruja_Tatar
30.86631983	Romania_Jewish
33.81728256	Romania_Roma

Target: Bistrita_ind
Distance: 1.1316% / 1.13160489 | ADC: 0.25x
62.4 Romania_Transilvania_Szekely
21.6 Romania_Crisana
8.4 Aromanian_Central-Macedonia
6.2 Romania_Transilvania_Hungarian
1.4 Romania_Roma

-Hungarians
Target: Bistrita_ind
Distance: 2.9155% / 2.91548978 | ADC: 0.25x
94.6 Romania_Crisana
2.2 Ukrainian_Lviv
1.6 Crimean_Tatar
1.6 Romania_Roma

Distance to:	Bistrita_ind
2.01896013	Romania_Transylvania_Bistrita-Nasaud
4.01100985	Romania_Transylvania_Mures
4.29182945	Romania_Transylvania_Szekler
4.46534433	Romania_Transylvania_Alba
4.53702546	Romania_Crisana_Arad
4.84530701	Romania_Transylvania_Sibiu
4.93972671	Romania_Transylvania_Brasov
5.09210173	Romania_Maramures_Maramures
5.48958104	Romania_Crisana_Salaj
5.60878775	Romania_Transylvania_Cluj
5.62972468	Romania_Maramures_SatuMare
6.07242950	Romania_Transylvania_Hunedoara
6.33468231	Romania_Banat_Caras-Severin
6.71815451	Romania_Crisana_Bihor
7.32321651	Romania_Banat_Timis
7.41270531	Romania_Transylvania_Hungarian
10.04691495	Romania_Transylvania_1/4Roma

**~~Ion Basescul~~** · 09-13-2020, 08:39 PM

Mures

N_Atlantic	Baltic	West_Med	West_Asian	East_Med	Red_Sea	South_Asian	East_Asian	Siberian	Amerindian	Oceanian	NE_African	Sub-Saharan
25.07	23.78	16.99	11.66	16.06	2.05	1.78	0	0.85	0.87	0.65	0.05	0.19

Compared to others from Mures

N_Atlantic	Baltic	West_Med	West_Asian	East_Med	Red_Sea	South_Asian	East_Asian	Siberian	Amerindian	Oceanian	NE_African	Sub-Saharan
24.25	30.41	14.82	9.94	16.08	1.64	0	0.47	0.99	0.65	0.73	0	0
21.44	28.59	16.86	10.54	16.15	3.25	0.87	0	1.41	0.90	0	0	0
26.34	22.26	19.68	10.29	14.43	2.80	2.11	0	1.52	0.30	0.28	0	0
25.50	23.15	17.63	10.05	17.66	2.79	0.10	0.55	2.01	0.27	0.30	0	0
25.25	24.30	18.85	9.80	14.83	2.78	2.41	0	0.18	0.68	0.58	0.34	0
24.49	30.54	13.40	9.93	16.80	2.35	0	0.31	1.77	0	0.41	0	0

Distance to:	Mures_ind
3.16703331	Romanian_Oltenia
3.34459265	Montenegrin
3.69636308	Romania_Transylvania
3.89105384	Romanian_Wallachia
4.05557641	Romania_Moldavia_South
4.34615494	Macedonian
4.36463057	Macedonian_Northwest
4.39433727	Bulgarian_Gabrovo
4.43095926	Bosniak_Sandzak
4.59248299	Moldova_South
4.62763438	Romania_Muntenia
5.05115828	Romania_Dobruja
5.17122809	Bulgarian_Central
5.26727634	Bulgarian_Stara-Zagora
5.35316729	Romania_Banat
5.45981685	Romania_Moldavia_average
5.52654503	Serb_Serbia_South&East
5.57096042	Bulgarian_North-Rhodope
5.64722056	Bulgarian
5.66181950	Bulgarian_Eastern-Rhodopes
5.69822779	Serb_Croatia_Dalmatia
5.97300594	Bulgarian_Pleven
5.99708262	Serb_B&H_Herzegovina
6.01808109	Serb_Croatia_Kordun&Banija
6.04026489	Serb_Croatia

Distance to:	Mures_ind
3.16703331	Romania_Oltenia
3.69636308	Romania_Transilvania
4.05557641	Romania_Moldova_Sud
4.62763438	Romania_Muntenia
5.05115828	Romania_Dobrogea
5.35316729	Romania_Banat
5.64722056	Bulgarian
6.11523507	Romania_Crisana
6.87697608	Romania_Moldova_Nord
7.59222629	Romania_Moldova_Csango
7.60150643	Romania_Maramures
7.75150308	Aromanian_North-Macedonia
7.81412593	Romania_Transilvania_Szekely
8.42786589	Romania_Transilvania_Hungarian
8.44034952	Aromanian_North-Macedonia-Highlander
12.90765664	Aromanian_Central-Macedonia
17.03289465	Ukrainian_Ivano_Frankivsk
22.24062724	Ukrainian_Lviv
25.83832038	Crimean_Tatar
27.10907413	Romania_Jewish
29.07494110	Romania_Dobruja_Tatar
30.63312586	Romania_Roma

Target: Mures_ind
Distance: 2.0486% / 2.04858450 | ADC: 0.25x
53.6 Romania_Oltenia
27.4 Romania_Transilvania_Szekely
14.6 Aromanian_North-Macedonia
4.4 Romania_Roma

-Hungarian, Aromanian
Target: Mures_ind
Distance: 2.8591% / 2.85913748 | ADC: 0.25x
89.0 Romania_Oltenia
7.4 Romania_Moldova_Nord
3.6 Romania_Roma

Distance to:	Mures_ind
2.41480848	Romania_Transylvania_Brasov
2.96551850	Romania_Transylvania_Mures
3.16286263	Romania_Transylvania_Alba
3.55337867	Romania_Transylvania_Cluj
3.55761156	Romania_Crisana_Arad
3.69567315	Romania_Transylvania_Sibiu
4.42353931	Romania_Banat_Timis
4.74390135	Romania_Transylvania_Bistrita-Nasaud
4.92804221	Romania_Banat_Caras-Severin
5.02859821	Romania_Transylvania_Hunedoara
5.07355891	Romania_Maramures_SatuMare
5.95229368	Romania_Crisana_Bihor
7.35212214	Romania_Transylvania_1/4Roma
7.50672365	Romania_Maramures_Maramures
7.94989937	Romania_Crisana_Salaj
9.26033477	Romania_Transylvania_Szekler
11.55712767	Romania_Transylvania_Hungarian