Dodecad k12b West, Central & South Asian results Vol. 2

[Dr_Maul]

The higher Atlantic_Med in Azeris than in neighbouring Persians/Kurds despite the significantly higher Turkic input in the former suggest Azeris either have some Anatolian Turkish input or their non-Turkic side was part-Armenian or Armenian-like.

It is both probably
A big indication that they have Anatolian ancestry is the fact that Azeris on 23andMe often get 1-3% Southern European, indicating some form of Turkish ancestry. Most likely Shia refugees

[Kyp]

It is both probably
A big indication that they have Anatolian ancestry is the fact that Azeris on 23andMe often get 1-3% Southern European, indicating some form of Turkish ancestry. Most likely Shia refugees

I wonder how turkified the region was before this era. Never find really clear accounts on that.

[Dr_Maul]

I wonder how turkified the region was before this era. Never find really clear accounts on that.

Hard to know. Some people even say it happened as late as 1800 with the Qarapapaqs, but I doubt it
I don't see much Seljuq influence in the area to be honest, I think it started when it became the Ilkhan capital. A lot of Turkmens probably congregated in the area at the time
I personally see it as finishing up in the early Safavi, around 1500 I'd say. They were definitely more Turkmen oriented than Persian at the time. That would bring us to somewhere around 2-300 years of Turkish being "the language to know" of the region. That's plenty time for something like that to happen.
I wonder if there might be a census done during the brief Ottoman occupations of both the beginning and the end of the Safavid era. Obviously the region was never integrated, but maybe they did one nonetheless.

[Aren]

Where are Turkmens in Iraq from? Especially those in northern Iraq like Kirkuk, Erbil, Mosul.

[Dr_Maul]

Where are Turkmens in Iraq from? Especially those in northern Iraq like Kirkuk, Erbil, Mosul.

Ottoman resettlement. Most of them from Central Anatolia I'm pretty sure. A big chunk were simply Turkish speaking (Ottoman) officials from local regions. I don't think any had roots in Turkmen regions, in fact they only got called Turkmens as opposed to simply 'Turk' by the 50s if I recall

[Leto]

Brand new Chechen results

Gedrosia 23.41 Pct
Siberian 1.91 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 3.15 Pct
North_European 20.96 Pct
South_Asian -
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 2.94 Pct
East_Asian 1.96 Pct
Caucasus 45.66 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Distance to: Salman
3.73101863 Сhechen
4.43514374 Ingush
4.92271267 Kumyks
6.79282710 Circassian
6.93783107 Balkar
7.27982143 Ossetian
8.33881886 Karachay
8.72415612 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
9.74627621 Lezgin
10.26975657 Qumuq

Target: Salman
Distance: 1.7722% / 1.77217291 | ADC: 0.25x
35.4 Сhechen
24.6 Kumyks
23.6 Lak
16.4 Georgian_Svan

Target: Salman
Distance: 0.8191% / 0.81913281
52.6 Lak
43.2 Georgian_Svan
2.0 Lithuanian
1.2 Korean
1.0 Kumyks

Another new one from the same account

Gedrosia 23.15 Pct
Siberian 2.35 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 1.19 Pct
Atlantic_Med 3.83 Pct
North_European 22.59 Pct
South_Asian 0.61 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 4.04 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 42.24 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Distance to: Ruslan
2.45226426 Chechen
5.56769252 Ingush
6.91061502 Lezgin
7.21510915 Qumuq
7.64613628 Kumyks
7.77423951 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
7.82065215 Balkar
7.93162026 Avar
8.22694962 Tabasaran
8.49067135 Lak

Target: Ruslan
Distance: 1.7440% / 1.74400896 | ADC: 0.25x
84.0 Chechen
15.4 Lak
0.4 Saudis
0.2 Cambodians

[Bender1999]

Hard to know. Some people even say it happened as late as 1800 with the Qarapapaqs, but I doubt it
I don't see much Seljuq influence in the area to be honest, I think it started when it became the Ilkhan capital. A lot of Turkmens probably congregated in the area at the time
I personally see it as finishing up in the early Safavi, around 1500 I'd say. They were definitely more Turkmen oriented than Persian at the time. That would bring us to somewhere around 2-300 years of Turkish being "the language to know" of the region. That's plenty time for something like that to happen.
I wonder if there might be a census done during the brief Ottoman occupations of both the beginning and the end of the Safavid era. Obviously the region was never integrated, but maybe they did one nonetheless.

I know that the region around Tebriz and Urmia had Oghuz settlements which didn’t migrate to Anatolia, many of the Turkmens who came during Seljuk era went to Anatolia and Syria. I think the assurance of Turkish civilization started with Akkoyunlu and Karakoyunlu, where many Turkmen settled there. The „third“ wave was strictly a process with many waves during Ottoman/Safevi era where Shia/Alevi Turkmen tribes migrated to Iran and you stated an important point, this group was essential for Safevi empire and they just affiliated because of them Turkish identity, Turkmens don’t obey to non Turks, that was one of the mayor reason why there were a lot of rebellions in Ottoman empire. There were even a backmigraton to Central Asia, but honestly i don’t know whether they were the Qizilbash which were settled by Safevis or whether this even includes some nowadays Turkmenistan Turkmens.
This Qarapapaks theory could also be true, at the end if 19th century the ethnic composition of Caucasia started to change, during this era hundred thousand of Turks, mostly Azerbaijanis migrated southward.

[Leto]

The Palestinian Christian father of user FairieQueen. Her mother is white American

Gedrosia 9.08 Pct
Siberian -
Northwest_African 4.73 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 17.04 Pct
North_European -
South_Asian -
East_African 2.27 Pct
Southwest_Asian 25.19 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 41.69 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Distance to: Marvin
2.33967947 Syria_SW_Christian
2.75094529 Palestinian_Christian
6.96649123 Lebanese
7.69655118 Nusayri_Turkey
8.54096013 Jordanians
8.64949131 Syrians
9.37475333 Greek_Cypriot
9.78038343 Palestinian
11.57076921 Iraqi_Jew
13.58920160 Iranian_Jew

Target: Marvin
Distance: 1.1825% / 1.18254599 | ADC: 0.25x
96.4 Syria_SW_Christian
3.6 Sardinian

Target: Marvin
Distance: 1.0655% / 1.06549417
95.4 Syria_SW_Christian
4.0 Sardinian
0.6 Ethiopians

[Kyp]

Iranian result from Elam province:
the region is populated by Kurds and Lurs, the person has a lot of matches with people from Iraq (Kurds probably)


Gedrosian: 27.72
Siberian: 1.27
Northwest_African: 1.37
Southeast_Asian: 0.00
Atlantic_Med: 6.02
North_European: 6.01
South_Asian: 4.23
East_African: 0.00
Southwest_Asian: 14.75
East_Asian: 0.00
Caucasian: 38.54
Sub_Saharan: 0.06

Distance to: Elam
2.37056955 Lur_Iran
3.68093738 Iranian
4.19472288 Kurd_Sorani
4.72278520 Iranian_Fars
5.09425166 Kurd_Kurmanji
5.23955151 Kurd_KAZ
5.27722465 Talysh_Azerbaijan
6.41284648 Zaza
6.89892021 Iran_Mazandaran
7.21704926 Turkmen_Iraq
7.87128960 Azerbaijani_Iran
9.59358640 Azerbaijani
10.25482813 Azerbaijani_Turkey
10.91632264 Iran_Khorasan
11.64153340 Udi_Azerbaijan
11.66281270 Iraqi_Baghdad
12.03463336 Turk_Southeast
13.04208956 Mandean
13.69274260 Turk_East
13.72304267 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
14.02585826 Iranian_Jew
14.22992973 Mountain_Jew_Chechnya
14.39636065 Azeri_Jew
15.20153940 Assyrian_North
15.38707575 Turk_Central_East

Target: Elam
Distance: 1.2677% / 1.26765720 | ADC: 0.25x
66.0 Lur_Iran
15.8 Kurd_Sorani
9.8 Iran_Mazandaran
4.0 Iranian_Fars
2.6 Tabasaran
1.2 Yagnobi

[Bender1999]

Maybe already posted here,Oghuz Turk from Uzbekistan:

Gedrosian: 19.19 Pct
Siberian: 8.70 Pct
Northwest_African: -
Southeast_Asian: 1.35 Pct
Atlantic_Med: 3.83 Pct
North_European: 17.93 Pct
South_Asian: 8.41 Pct
East_African: -
Southwest_Asian: 5.54 Pct
East_Asian: 13.45 Pct
Caucasian: 21.48 Pct
Sub_Saharan: 0.12