Dodecad k12b West, Central & South Asian results Vol. 3

[Fedora]

Is that not a rumor she is an Arab? In Azerbaijan there are rumors the government is full of crypto Kurds and Armenians. I actually learned here that Erdogan himself is basically a Turkified Georgian

Erdogans ancestors came from northern Georgia. But he doesn't consider himself Georgian even though in earlier years he said his ancestors were Georgians.....

Are the Arabs in Turkey largely Turkified to varying degrees?

They are different groups of arabs - one from Hatay, they are nusayri or sunni but score like coastal syrians and lebanese. They speak levantine dialect. They are actually close to Syria.
The other from Mardin/Siirt, they score like armenians, assyrians with either small turkish or kurdish admixture. They speak like northern Iraqi arab - not mutual intellible with the one in Hatay. ( I had friends who told me that so IDK). Most of them assimilate.
Then the one from Urfa - I haven't seen a genetic result but some of them can have Bedouin/Saudi Arabian phenotypes.. If they score like southwest asian/red sea 25%+ I wouldn't be suprised.
No, they are not assimilated, they make majority in three districts (Harran plain) which is like 95%+ arab and are the highest population wise. They live very isolated in their community and have high amount of children and are more similar to their kurdish neighbours, same style music,clothing., tribalism and dances.
From Urfa

[Halgurd]

Well we should be careful with those averages. We don’t know whether those are mixed or not, like you said there are a lot of Non-Turks. Although K.Maras has in my knowledge around 10% Kurdish population which is not colossal. Antep is a city with huge Arab minority.

Kurds from Maras are situated mainly in Pazarcik, Elbistan and Afsin where they traditionally formed a majority. The actual city of Maras is Turkish.

[Bender1999]

Kurds from Maras are situated mainly in Pazarcik, Elbistan and Afsin where they traditionally formed a majority. The actual city of Maras is Turkish.

The province of Kahramanmaraş is not over 10% kurdish. At least those who are native, idk how many migrated to there in recent years...

[Noble Cuman]

Erdogans ancestors came from northern Georgia. But he doesn't consider himself Georgian even though in earlier years he said his ancestors were Georgians.....


They are different groups of arabs - one from Hatay, they are nusayri or sunni but score like coastal syrians and lebanese. They speak levantine dialect. They are actually close to Syria.
The other from Mardin/Siirt, they score like armenians, assyrians with either small turkish or kurdish admixture. They speak like northern Iraqi arab - not mutual intellible with the one in Hatay. ( I had friends who told me that so IDK). Most of them assimilate.
Then the one from Urfa - I haven't seen a genetic result but some of them can have Bedouin/Saudi Arabian phenotypes.. If they score like southwest asian/red sea 25%+ I wouldn't be suprised.
No, they are not assimilated, they make majority in three districts (Harran plain) which is like 95%+ arab and are the highest population wise. They live very isolated in their community and have high amount of children and are more similar to their kurdish neighbours, same style music,clothing., tribalism and dances.
From Urfa

I met with Arab family from Siirt in İstanbul. Only parents know Arabic. Children do not know Arabic. One of their son told me he doesn't consider himself Arab. He did not even see Siirt in his life as he was born in İstanbul. His e-devlet records show his ancestors were in Siirt since 1800s. Some of them had Kurdish names.

[Chris596]

Erdogans ancestors came from northern Georgia. But he doesn't consider himself Georgian even though in earlier years he said his ancestors were Georgians.....


They are different groups of arabs - one from Hatay, they are nusayri or sunni but score like coastal syrians and lebanese. They speak levantine dialect. They are actually close to Syria.
The other from Mardin/Siirt, they score like armenians, assyrians with either small turkish or kurdish admixture. They speak like northern Iraqi arab - not mutual intellible with the one in Hatay. ( I had friends who told me that so IDK). Most of them assimilate.
Then the one from Urfa - I haven't seen a genetic result but some of them can have Bedouin/Saudi Arabian phenotypes.. If they score like southwest asian/red sea 25%+ I wouldn't be suprised.
No, they are not assimilated, they make majority in three districts (Harran plain) which is like 95%+ arab and are the highest population wise. They live very isolated in their community and have high amount of children and are more similar to their kurdish neighbours, same style music,clothing., tribalism and dances.
From Urfa

I didn't know that, he always seemed more Anatolian to me than Northern Caucasian. He still looks more Anatolian, right?

[Leto]

They are different groups of arabs - one from Hatay, they are nusayri or sunni but score like coastal syrians and lebanese. They speak levantine dialect. They are actually close to Syria.
The other from Mardin/Siirt, they score like armenians, assyrians with either small turkish or kurdish admixture. They speak like northern Iraqi arab - not mutual intellible with the one in Hatay. ( I had friends who told me that so IDK). Most of them assimilate.
Then the one from Urfa - I haven't seen a genetic result but some of them can have Bedouin/Saudi Arabian phenotypes.. If they score like southwest asian/red sea 25%+ I wouldn't be suprised.
No, they are not assimilated, they make majority in three districts (Harran plain) which is like 95%+ arab and are the highest population wise. They live very isolated in their community and have high amount of children and are more similar to their kurdish neighbours, same style music,clothing., tribalism and dances.
From Urfa

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Thanks for the information, didn't know any of that. Not too long ago I didn't even know Arabs were a thing in Turkey other than a tiny and disappearing minority. But anyway they have plenty of countries where they form a majority, so it's not like they're endangered or something as a race.

[Leto]

I didn't know that, he always seemed more Anatolian to me than Northern Caucasian. He still looks more Anatolian, right?

Georgia isn't North Caucasian though. But yeah, I also thought he was just an Anatolian Turk, nothing else. He never struck me as particularly Georgian-looking. I find it a bit ironic his not very distant ancestors were Christians.

[Fedora]

I met with Arab family from Siirt in İstanbul. Only parents know Arabic. Children do not know Arabic. One of their son told me he doesn't consider himself Arab. He did not even see Siirt in his life as he was born in İstanbul. His e-devlet records show his ancestors were in Siirt since 1800s. Some of them had Kurdish names.

Yeah, one of my classmate was from Siirt and arab that's why.
Türkiyede azinliklar kürtler haric genelde asimile oluyor, erdogan gürcü soyunu inkar ediyor mesela..

[Bender1999]

Yeah, one of my classmate was from Siirt and arab that's why.
Türkiyede azinliklar kürtler haric genelde asimile oluyor, erdogan gürcü soyunu inkar ediyor mesela..

He is a Panislamist, he also denies Turkish identity. Erdoganjust says he is a „Muslim“. I often heard that the claims he is a Laz.

[Fedora]

Kurds from Maras are situated mainly in Pazarcik, Elbistan and Afsin where they traditionally formed a majority. The actual city of Maras is Turkish.

Pazarcik would be majority kurdish if they wouldn't migrate out, but it's not true for Elbistan. The city centre is pretty big, 110k of the 140k district population lives there - and it's mostlye sunni turks. Even if the villages would be all kurdish(which they are not) it wouldn't make kurds majority because the villages have too small population generally.