Dodecad k12b West, Central & South Asian results Vol. 3

**Amon** · 10-20-2020, 09:42 PM

Originally Posted by Dr_Maul

These are good but this is probably not the place for them, we should probably make a thread for East Asians. I have a couple kits to share as well

Aye!
Do share their results

**Kyp** · 10-21-2020, 09:00 AM

Turkish family (a lot of Iranian matches, maybe Alevis/Tahtaci?)
The Sub_Saharan maybe points to Southern Yörük origin though?

Code:

Gedrosian: 16.80
Siberian: 4.13
Northwest_African: 0.00
Southeast_Asian: 1.91
Atlantic_Med: 11.54
North_European: 9.22
South_Asian: 3.54
East_African: 0.00
Southwest_Asian: 9.23
East_Asian: 6.44
Caucasus: 34.50
Sub_Saharan: 2.66

Distance to:	AttilaC
5.73212003	Turk_South
6.26174896	Turk_Anatolia
6.48224498	Turk_Southwest
6.71785680	Turk_Central_West
6.75228110	Yoruk
7.16065639	Turk_Central_Black_Sea
7.56091264	Turk_Southeast
7.75316065	Turk_Central_East
7.77286948	Turk_West_BlackSea
8.11355039	Azerbaijani
8.40991677	Turk_Northwest
8.68707661	Azerbaijani_Turkey
9.65709066	Azerbaijani_Iran
12.96318634	Turkmen_Iraq
13.04954788	Iran_Khorasan
13.09357858	Kurd_Kurmanji
13.22121401	Turkmen_Iran
13.52940871	Syrian_B
13.67134960	Turk_East
13.94517838	Zaza
14.12019122	Turkmen
14.30724642	Kurd_Sorani
14.74735570	Talysh_Azerbaijan
14.92848284	Crimean_Tatar_Mountain
15.15426343	Azerbaijani_Dagestan

Target: AttilaC
Distance: 1.9621% / 1.96209435 | ADC: 0.25x
66.6	Turk_Anatolia
16.0	Iran_Khorasan
7.2	Yoruk
4.6	Azerbaijani_Turkey
2.6	Burmanese

Code:

Gedrosian: 16.20
Siberian: 5.62
Northwest_African: 0.00
Southeast_Asian: 1.08
Atlantic_Med: 11.31
North_European: 9.97
South_Asian: 3.19
East_African: 1.46
Southwest_Asian: 7.33
East_Asian: 6.00
Caucasus: 34.31
Sub_Saharan: 3.55

Distance to:	Att
6.32915476	Yoruk
6.55164102	Turk_Southwest
6.67749204	Turk_South
7.04269835	Turk_Anatolia
7.72799457	Turk_Central_West
7.78436253	Turk_Central_Black_Sea
8.01980050	Turk_Northwest
8.13778840	Turk_West_BlackSea
8.95791270	Turk_Central_East
9.33717837	Turk_Southeast
9.79869379	Azerbaijani
10.12755647	Azerbaijani_Turkey
11.22417480	Azerbaijani_Iran
13.26297855	Turkmen_Iran
13.92669379	Iran_Khorasan
14.06153263	Turkmen
14.21286389	Crimean_Tatar_Mountain
14.70630137	Kurd_Kurmanji
14.83320262	Turk_East
14.97762665	Turkmen_Iraq
15.02420048	Karachay
15.22829603	Syrian_B
15.24930162	Azerbaijani_Dagestan
15.49080695	Zaza
16.08680204	Talysh_Azerbaijan

Target: Att
Distance: 2.3078% / 2.30784906 | ADC: 0.25x
30.8	Turk_Central_Black_Sea
26.8	Yoruk
18.0	Turk_Southwest
11.2	Iran_Khorasan
3.8	LWK30
3.6	Karachay
3.4	Balkan_Gypsy
2.4	Turkmen

Code:

Gedrosian: 19.23
Siberian: 4.33
Northwest_African: 0.00
Southeast_Asian: 1.47
Atlantic_Med: 9.99
North_European: 7.44
South_Asian: 0.77
East_African: 2.24
Southwest_Asian: 11.48
East_Asian: 5.70
Caucasus: 34.37
Sub_Saharan: 3.64

Distance to:	Att3
6.15311303	Turk_Southeast
6.51845841	Azerbaijani
6.71656162	Turk_South
7.45453553	Azerbaijani_Turkey
7.48746953	Azerbaijani_Iran
7.95867451	Turk_Anatolia
8.19426629	Turk_Central_Black_Sea
8.21596616	Turk_Central_East
8.31016245	Turk_Central_West
9.10156580	Turk_Southwest
9.23572953	Yoruk
9.74381855	Turkmen_Iraq
10.30186876	Turk_West_BlackSea
10.47739471	Kurd_Kurmanji
11.30479102	Turk_Northwest
11.44992140	Kurd_Sorani
11.51638832	Zaza
11.74904677	Syrian_B
12.24116416	Iran_Khorasan
12.43948150	Talysh_Azerbaijan
12.45438878	Iraqi_Baghdad
12.74914115	Turk_East
12.80420634	Iranian_Fars
13.46071692	Turkmen_Iran
13.61272934	Lur_Iran

Target: Att3
Distance: 2.6054% / 2.60535523 | ADC: 0.25x
44.0	Turk_Southeast
32.0	Azerbaijani
6.6	Yoruk
5.2	Azerbaijani_Iran
4.0	Turkmen_Iraq
2.8	Hazara
2.2	LWK30
1.4	Mongol

Iranian result (at least partially from Khorasan I think)

Code:

Gedrosian: 27.48
Siberian: 2.46
Northwest_African: 0.00
Southeast_Asian: 0.00
Atlantic_Med: 6.00
North_European: 7.96
South_Asian: 4.99
East_African: 0.00
Southwest_Asian: 12.77
East_Asian: 3.73
Caucasus: 34.32
Sub_Saharan: 0.29

Distance to:	ghoffranian
4.33737248	Iranian_Fars
5.26699155	Iran_Khorasan
7.38850458	Iranian
7.54019231	Lur_Iran
7.90564355	Kurd_Sorani
8.06388864	Azerbaijani_Iran
8.25628851	Kurd_Kurmanji
8.67585154	Talysh_Azerbaijan
8.87162894	Azerbaijani
8.92159179	Iran_Mazandaran
9.63563698	Turkmen_Iraq
10.00982018	Zaza
10.12726024	Kurd_KAZ
10.31614269	Azerbaijani_Turkey
11.67231768	Turkmen_Iran
11.71687245	Turk_Southeast
12.40729221	Turkmen
12.83261470	Azerbaijani_Dagestan
13.65146512	Parsi_India
14.05055515	Iraqi_Baghdad
14.62688278	Turk_South
14.90571032	Udi_Azerbaijan
15.19951973	Turk_Central_East
15.83778078	Tajik_Herat
15.85225221	Iran_Bandari

Target: ghofranian
Distance: 1.8477% / 1.84771608 | ADC: 0.25x
33.4	Iran_Khorasan
31.6	Iranian_Fars
24.8	Iranian
5.4	Azerbaijani
2.0	Tajiks
1.6	Hazara
1.0	Saudis
0.2	Korean

Bender1999 · 10-21-2020, 10:11 AM

Originally Posted by Kyp

Turkish family (a lot of Iranian matches, maybe Alevis/Tahtaci?)
The Sub_Saharan maybe points to Southern Yörük origin though?

I doubt that these are Alevis or Tahtaci. Most probably a family from Western/Sw Anatolian Turks, they have visible SSA, their ancestors were probably big landowners. Also i don’t believe they are Yörüks, at least not in the last 200/250 years, or some Yörüks intermarried with them. In the past they married with townsfolk to give up their hard life style.

**Leto** · 10-21-2020, 11:40 AM

Black ancestry in Southern Yörüks? Why would there be Neger among them?

**Kyp** · 10-21-2020, 11:46 AM

Originally Posted by Leto

Black ancestry in Southern Yörüks? Why would there be Neger among them?

There once was a Yörük result from Southern Turkey region with significant SSA. As far as I know they are not Nomadic anymore so everything can be possible.

As I said I don't know where they are from, but I assume Southern Turkey.

**Kyp** · 10-21-2020, 02:19 PM

Let's fight it out guys:

Iranian result (Kit Name "Persian"):

Gedrosian: 24.94
Siberian: 1.67
Northwest_African: 0.89
Southeast_Asian: 1.61
Atlantic_Med: 5.37
North_European: 7.67
South_Asian: 4.40
East_African: 0.41
Southwest_Asian: 11.68
East_Asian: 3.32
Caucasus: 37.61
Sub_Saharan: 0.41

Distance to: Persian
4.83930780 Azerbaijani_Iran
5.35936563 Talysh_Azerbaijan
5.63474933 Iranian_Fars
5.87805240 Kurd_Kurmanji
6.02906295 Iranian
6.11525960 Kurd_Sorani
6.25905744 Azerbaijani
6.54488350 Lur_Iran
7.03744982 Zaza
7.11563068 Azerbaijani_Turkey
7.52091750 Iran_Khorasan
7.64139385 Turkmen_Iraq
7.74902575 Kurd_KAZ
8.77734584 Iran_Mazandaran
9.53562269 Turk_Southeast
10.81307542 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
11.29429059 Udi_Azerbaijan
12.53185940 Turk_East
12.53198308 Turk_Central_East
12.55410291 Iraqi_Baghdad
12.57450198 Turk_South
13.36157925 Turkmen_Iran
13.59782703 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
14.00856881 Turk_Anatolia
14.26326400 Turkmen

Target: Persian
Distance: 1.9093% / 1.90928334 | ADC: 0.5x
33.4 Azerbaijani_Iran
26.8 Talysh_Azerbaijan
20.6 Iran_Khorasan
19.2 Iranian_Fars

Saudi (I think):
Gedrosian: 7.37
Siberian: 0.26
Northwest_African: 4.04
Southeast_Asian: 0.00
Atlantic_Med: 6.93
North_European: 0.13
South_Asian: 0.19
East_African: 7.13
Southwest_Asian: 44.19
East_Asian: 1.17
Caucasus: 28.58
Sub_Saharan: 0.00

Distance to: Saudaalzahra
3.91148309 Kuwait1
4.79523722 Bedouin
7.17759709 Saudi
8.70351653 Yemenite_Mahra
13.75055999 Yemen_Jews
14.35187096 Kuwait2
17.34219421 Coptic
18.52710177 Yemenite_mixed
19.68172503 Jordanians
21.33444858 Egyptian
23.03443075 Palestinian
24.41928541 Syrian_C
25.28554528 Syria_SW_Christian
25.94467190 Palestinian_Christian
27.68345715 Lebanese_Christian
28.62504323 Syrian_A
28.68168405 Lebanese_Muslim
28.82055169 Iraqi_Baghdad
30.13719960 Iraqi_Jew
30.78428982 Syrian_B
30.78637686 Kurdish_Jew
31.19730597 Iranian_Jew
31.21871874 Nusayri_Turkey
31.40589276 Mandean
33.74385129 Assyrian_South

Target: Saudaalzahra
Distance: 2.2192% / 2.21920676 | ADC: 0.25x
36.4 Bedouin
34.0 Saudi
22.2 Kuwait1
3.6 Mandean
3.4 Ethiopian_Jews

**Leto** · 10-21-2020, 03:04 PM

Iran is whiter

**Leto** · 10-21-2020, 03:04 PM

Originally Posted by Kyp

Saudi (I think):
Gedrosian: 7.37
Siberian: 0.26
Northwest_African: 4.04
Southeast_Asian: 0.00
Atlantic_Med: 6.93
North_European: 0.13
South_Asian: 0.19
East_African: 7.13
Southwest_Asian: 44.19
East_Asian: 1.17
Caucasus: 28.58
Sub_Saharan: 0.00

Distance to: Saudaalzahra
3.91148309 Kuwait1
4.79523722 Bedouin
7.17759709 Saudi
8.70351653 Yemenite_Mahra
13.75055999 Yemen_Jews
14.35187096 Kuwait2
17.34219421 Coptic
18.52710177 Yemenite_mixed
19.68172503 Jordanians
21.33444858 Egyptian
23.03443075 Palestinian
24.41928541 Syrian_C
25.28554528 Syria_SW_Christian
25.94467190 Palestinian_Christian
27.68345715 Lebanese_Christian
28.62504323 Syrian_A
28.68168405 Lebanese_Muslim
28.82055169 Iraqi_Baghdad
30.13719960 Iraqi_Jew
30.78428982 Syrian_B
30.78637686 Kurdish_Jew
31.19730597 Iranian_Jew
31.21871874 Nusayri_Turkey
31.40589276 Mandean
33.74385129 Assyrian_South

Target: Saudaalzahra
Distance: 2.2192% / 2.21920676 | ADC: 0.25x
36.4 Bedouin
34.0 Saudi
22.2 Kuwait1
3.6 Mandean
3.4 Ethiopian_Jews

New Saudi reference? It has been updated today.

**Kyp** · 10-21-2020, 03:36 PM

Interesting result:

Azerbaijani from Borçalı, Georgia:

Gedrosian: 21.67
Siberian: 6.48
Northwest_African: 0.44
Southeast_Asian: 0.00
Atlantic_Med: 8.63
North_European: 3.68
South_Asian: 3.90
East_African: 0.00
Southwest_Asian: 11.21
East_Asian: 3.71
Caucasus: 40.55
Sub_Saharan: 0.00

Distance to: Azerbaijani_Borcali
6.35175566 Azerbaijani_Turkey
6.47026275 Azerbaijani_Iran
7.39095393 Azerbaijani
8.00053123 Kurd_Kurmanji
8.21818106 Zaza
8.27330647 Talysh_Azerbaijan
8.35041915 Turk_Southeast
9.05776462 Turkmen_Iraq
9.50497764 Kurd_Sorani
9.57050155 Lur_Iran
9.77024053 Iranian
9.84280448 Turk_Central_East
9.85592715 Turk_East
10.17621246 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
10.34204525 Turk_South
10.46071699 Kurd_KAZ
10.72089548 Udi_Azerbaijan
11.60187054 Iranian_Fars
11.76935002 Turk_Anatolia
12.21243219 Turk_Central_West
12.38379990 Iraqi_Baghdad
12.88118007 Mountain_Jew_Chechnya
13.00022308 Iran_Khorasan
13.10056106 Azeri_Jew
13.34404736 Mandean

Target: Azerbaijani_Borcaali
Distance: 2.6684% / 2.66839479 | ADC: 0.25x
44.0 Azerbaijani_Turkey
31.8 Lur_Iran
11.6 Georgian_Adjara
5.2 Mountain_Jew_Chechnya
4.6 Yakut
1.6 Bnei_Menashe_Jews

**Dr_Maul** · 10-21-2020, 03:38 PM

Originally Posted by Kyp

Interesting result:

Azerbaijani from Borçalı, Georgia:

Gedrosian: 21.67
Siberian: 6.48
Northwest_African: 0.44
Southeast_Asian: 0.00
Atlantic_Med: 8.63
North_European: 3.68
South_Asian: 3.90
East_African: 0.00
Southwest_Asian: 11.21
East_Asian: 3.71
Caucasus: 40.55
Sub_Saharan: 0.00

Distance to: Azerbaijani_Borcali
6.35175566 Azerbaijani_Turkey
6.47026275 Azerbaijani_Iran
7.39095393 Azerbaijani
8.00053123 Kurd_Kurmanji
8.21818106 Zaza
8.27330647 Talysh_Azerbaijan
8.35041915 Turk_Southeast
9.05776462 Turkmen_Iraq
9.50497764 Kurd_Sorani
9.57050155 Lur_Iran
9.77024053 Iranian
9.84280448 Turk_Central_East
9.85592715 Turk_East
10.17621246 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
10.34204525 Turk_South
10.46071699 Kurd_KAZ
10.72089548 Udi_Azerbaijan
11.60187054 Iranian_Fars
11.76935002 Turk_Anatolia
12.21243219 Turk_Central_West
12.38379990 Iraqi_Baghdad
12.88118007 Mountain_Jew_Chechnya
13.00022308 Iran_Khorasan
13.10056106 Azeri_Jew
13.34404736 Mandean

Target: Azerbaijani_Borcaali
Distance: 2.6684% / 2.66839479 | ADC: 0.25x
44.0 Azerbaijani_Turkey
31.8 Lur_Iran
11.6 Georgian_Adjara
5.2 Mountain_Jew_Chechnya
4.6 Yakut
1.6 Bnei_Menashe_Jews

First time I am seeing more Siberian than N euro in any Oghuz turk lol