Dodecad k12b West, Central & South Asian results Vol. 3

[Aren]

Really all groups, European and Asian. But again, if too much trouble then dont worry about it.

I’m on board with this, Harappa world is better IMO and I already created Assyrian averages for it.

[Noble Cuman]

Coastal Tatars are native Crimeans mostly it seems like. Steppe Tatars are Kipchak-Cumans closely related to Volga Tatars, Bashkirs,and Nogays.
I would like to see Karaites, Urums and Crimean Greek results if anyone has.

[Kaspias]

Are they Yaliboylu?

Do you think they are indeed mostly of assimilated origin?

Yes, they are.

Coast Tatars(Turks): Yalıboylu -> A mix of Anatolian Turks and Greeks of Crimea, should have ~4% EE avg. Speaks Oghuz.
Steppe Tatars: Çöl Tatarı -> Base Crimean community, has various degrees of native mix from Ukraine. Speaks Kipchak. (although highly influenced by Oghuz thanks to Crimean Khanate & Ottoman relations in history) ~25% EE avg. That group may have relativity with Cumans.
Mountain Tatars: Ortayolak -> A mix of Steppe and Coast. Speaks a language which is transitional between Kipchak and Oghuz. ~10% EE avg.

Nogay(of Crimea): There are two types of Nogay's:

- One is a tribe of Crimean Khanate who settled earlier than other Nogai's, lived around Akkerman. These are not exactly different than regular Steppe Tatars.
- Second one forms the majority of the people who identify as Nogai, they may have Mongolian and/or Caucasian input. 40% EE avg. These were living in Kizilyar(Krasnoyarsk Kray.), Kuban, Mansur, Tin, Kerc...

Nogay speaks Kipchak-Nogay, Steppe Tatar speaks Kipchak-Cuman.

Although all the languages mentioned above mutually intelligible.

[Leto]

Yes, they are.

Coast Tatars(Turks): Yalıboylu -> A mix of Anatolian Turks and Greeks of Crimea, should have ~4% EE avg. Speaks Oghuz.
Steppe Tatars: Çöl Tatarı -> Base Crimean community, has various degrees of native mix from Ukraine. Speaks Kipchak. (although highly influenced by Oghuz thanks to Crimean Khanate & Ottoman relations in history) ~25% EE avg. That group may have relativity with Cumans.
Mountain Tatars: Ortayolak -> A mix of Steppe and Coast. Speaks a language which is transitional between Kipchak and Oghuz. ~10% EE avg.

Nogay(of Crimea): There are two types of Nogay's:

- One is a tribe of Crimean Khanate who settled earlier than other Nogai's, lived around Akkerman. These are not exactly different than regular Steppe Tatars.
- Second one forms the majority of the people who identify as Nogai, they may have Mongolian and/or Caucasian input. 40% EE avg. These were living in Kizilyar(Krasnoyarsk Kray.), Kuban, Mansur, Tin, Kerc...

Nogay speaks Kipchak-Nogay, Steppe Tatar speaks Kipchak-Cuman.

Although all the languages mentioned above mutually intelligible.

Do you think those theories of assimilated Gothic, Italian, Armenian ancestry hold some truth? In fact I would not be surprised if they also have Slavic blood from slavery which was large-scale.

[Leto]

they're fairly accurate i'd say. there will be some variation among kits so even slight variation will cause them to shift in different directions in the models

There is no generic Punjabi average for this calc. That's bad, such a big nation. Also I have a feeling many Indian averages have too little Caucasus, like close to zero. Is that realistic? I doubt the Jatts are only 5% Caucasus on average.

[PAGANE]

Mine

Разстояние до:	М
5.63233522	Turk_Deliorman
6,45943496	Turk_Rumeli
6.86636731	Turk_Makedonya
8.20746611	Turk_Trakya
15,09078858	CrimeanCoastTatarsIki
15,65723794	CrimeanCoastTatarsBir
15,85839210	CrimeanCoastTatarsDort
16.28634704	CrimeanCoastTatarsBes
17,02985687	Turk_Turkey
19,89480334	CrimeanCoastTatarsUc
22.68585683	Turk_Northwest
22.70125327	Турски YorukTY2
24.48795010	Turk_West_BlackSea
25.28606533	Turk_Югозапад
26.31266995	Турски YorukTY3
26,96371451	Турски YorukTY1
27.02042931	Turk_Central_West
27.35312779	Турски YorukTY5
27.90617674	Турски YorukTY4
28,77613595	Turk_South
29.04229674	Turk_Anadolu
29,53451202	Turk_Cyprus
29.79266520	Turk_Central_East
29,88483395	Туркменистан ТуркменTKM1
30.15391185	Turk_Central_Black_Sea

Цел: M Разстояние: 5,5467% / 5,54668636 | ADC: 0,25x
82.2	Turk_Deliorman
17.8	Turk_Makedonya

My brother

Разстояние до:	д
4.60228204	Turk_Makedonya
5.28008523	Turk_Rumeli
5.39501622	Turk_Deliorman
7,38300074	Turk_Trakya
13.42001863	CrimeanCoastTatarsIki
13.42679038	CrimeanCoastTatarsBir
13,97175723	CrimeanCoastTatarsDort
15.36821720	CrimeanCoastTatarsBes
15,67267766	Turk_Turkey
18.48832605	CrimeanCoastTatarsUc
21.72062384	Turk_Northwest
21.80823468	Турски YorukTY2
23.17383654	Turk_West_BlackSea
24.24093439	Turk_Югозапад
25,72631726	Турски YorukTY3
25,82070100	Turk_Central_West
26,01869136	Турски YorukTY1
26.45074290	Турски YorukTY5
27.20755594	Турски YorukTY4
27,72243857	Turk_Anadolu
27,74348933	Turk_South
27,76763224	Turk_Cyprus
28.50828125	Turk_Central_East
28,83365048	Turk_Central_Black_Sea
29.95959946	Тюрк_Югоизток

Цел: D Разстояние: 4.2660% / 4.26596918 | ADC: 0,25x
66.6	Turk_Makedonya
33.4	Turk_Deliorman

My mother

3.05106539	Turk_Makedonya
4.50409813	Turk_Rumeli
5.73374223	Turk_Deliorman
6.31437249	Turk_Trakya
11.43112418	CrimeanCoastTatarsDort
11.90620427	CrimeanCoastTatarsBir
11,94885350	CrimeanCoastTatarsIki
14.03288014	Turk_Turkey
15.16843103	CrimeanCoastTatarsBes
16.70987133	CrimeanCoastTatarsUc
19,82543568	Турски YorukTY2
19,98333556	Turk_Northwest
21.47004192	Turk_West_BlackSea
22.43807701	Turk_Югозапад
24,01289653	Turk_Central_West
24,03472488	Турски YorukTY3
24.60072153	Турски YorukTY1
25.11406777	Турски YorukTY5
25.47155080	Турски YorukTY4
25,64318623	Turk_Cyprus
26.05187133	Turk_South
26.05194427	Turk_Anadolu
26,79677779	Turk_Central_East
27.21765971	Turk_Central_Black_Sea
28.15682866	Тюрк_Югоизто

Цел: R Разстояние: 3.0479% / 3.04788272 | ADC: 0,25x
98,6	Turk_Makedonya
1.4	Turk_Deliorman

Цел: M Разстояние: 5,5467% / 5,54668636 | ADC: 0,25x
82.2	Turk_Deliorman
17.8	Turk_Makedonya

[Leto]

@PAGANE

You and your family are not West Asian. Also what's with the mixing of English and Bulgarian in your posts? Do you read TA with Google Translate?

[Kyp]

bump

[Kaspias]

bump

[Kyp]

bump x2 because of the bug