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Mi resultado con esta muestra de agricultores ganaderos neolíticos
I0412 Troc5/Espagne neolithique M471235
GEDmatch® Q-Matching One-to-One Comparison - V1.0
Software Version May 25 2020 18:28:07
Comparing Kit GGGGGG (Gallop) [FTDNA] and M471235 (I0412 SpainEN) [Migration - V3 - M]
Precision: 30.0
cM threshold: 5.0
Maximum cM: No Limit
Gap threshold: 2.0 cM's
All SNPs used.
Total cM: 5.98
Largest segment cM: 5.98
Total segments: 1
Total gap-induced breaks: 3
Max gap: 2.16
..... gap: 44881336-70984372 on chromosome 9
Comparison took 0.726 seconds.
CPU time used: 0.723 cpu seconds.
https://www.yfull.com/tree/E-BY7449/
E-V22 - E-BY7449 - E-BY7566 - E-FT155550
According to oral family tradition E-FT155550 comes from a deserter of Napoleon's troops (1808-1813) who stayed in Spain and changed his surname.


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Software Version May 25 2020 1807
Comparing Kit GGGGGGG (Gallop) [FTDNA] and M276583 (la Braña WHG) [Migration - V3 - M]
Precision: 30.0
cM threshold: 2.0
Maximum cM: No Limit
Gap threshold: 2.0 cM's
All SNPs used.
Total cM: 10.02
Largest segment cM: 2.91
Total segments: 4
Total gap-induced breaks: 2
Max gap: 2.16
..... gap: 44881336-70984372 on chromosome 9
Top 10 Q scores:
Q-score: 25.00
Q-score: 12.00
Q-score: 8.00
Q-score: 0.00
Comparison took 0.902 seconds.
CPU time used: 0.885 cpu seconds.
Ver: May 25 2020 1807
Software Version May 25 2020 1807
Comparing Kit GGGGGG (Gallop) [FTDNA] and M236020 (Villabruna Epigravettian) [Migration - V3 - M]
Precision: 30.0
cM threshold: 4.0
Maximum cM: No Limit
Gap threshold: 2.0 cM's
All SNPs used.
Total cM: 4.26
Largest segment cM: 4.26
Total segments: 1
Total gap-induced breaks: 3
Max gap: 2.20
..... gap: 44866028-71040170 on chromosome 9
Comparison took 0.751 seconds.
CPU time used: 0.738 cpu seconds.
Ver: May 25 2020 180
Software Version May 25 2020 1807
Comparing Kit GGGG (Gallop) [FTDNA] and T882519 (Iceman_2) [Migration - F2 - T]
Precision: 30.0
cM threshold: 7.0
Maximum cM: No Limit
Gap threshold: 2.0 cM's
All SNPs used.
Total cM: 7.54
Largest segment cM: 7.54
Total segments: 1
Total gap-induced breaks: 11
Max gap: 10.16
..... gap: 28097278-33277809 on chromosome 15
Comparison took 0.638 seconds.
CPU time used: 0.635 cpu seconds.
Ver: May 25 2020 1807
Software Version May 25 2020 18:28:07
Comparing Kit GGGGGG (Gallop) [FTDNA] and M471235 (I0412 SpainEN) [Migration - V3 - M]
Els Trocs
Precision: 30.0
cM threshold: 5.0
Maximum cM: No Limit
Gap threshold: 2.0 cM's
All SNPs used.
Total cM: 5.98
Largest segment cM: 5.98
Total segments: 1
Total gap-induced breaks: 3
Max gap: 2.16
..... gap: 44881336-70984372 on chromosome 9
I have observed that I get La Braña, Villabruna and Trocs on chromosome 9 and if I go to the MTA chroma I see that I have the Kent bronze sample previously there was a segment on chromosome 9 with a frank sample as in MTA they come and go, now I have this.
Any suggestion?
Is it possible that the mix between hunter-gatherers and farmers occurred soon?
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E-V22 - E-BY7449 - E-BY7566 - E-FT155550
According to oral family tradition E-FT155550 comes from a deserter of Napoleon's troops (1808-1813) who stayed in Spain and changed his surname.


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Let's review my Neolithic
Romania, Podolia and Rusia, mind you, the first time I took it out.
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Last edited by Gallop; 06-28-2020 at 06:15 PM.
https://www.yfull.com/tree/E-BY7449/
E-V22 - E-BY7449 - E-BY7566 - E-FT155550
According to oral family tradition E-FT155550 comes from a deserter of Napoleon's troops (1808-1813) who stayed in Spain and changed his surname.


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More NO Results
I do not need any application to know that I do not get results with Guanche unless it was mixed with Iberian and not with Tarofalt.
In this case, there is no correspondence with Guanche either, so I do not know what has been done in any application so that the Spanish seem to be paying for the results with Tarofalt or Guanche when these results say otherwise.
As you can see I don't get results so I'm not going to swallow something that isn't. If it is, it is, but if it is not, it is not.
https://www.yfull.com/tree/E-BY7449/
E-V22 - E-BY7449 - E-BY7566 - E-FT155550
According to oral family tradition E-FT155550 comes from a deserter of Napoleon's troops (1808-1813) who stayed in Spain and changed his surname.


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Updating my results in My Origins in FTDNA
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E-V22 - E-BY7449 - E-BY7566 - E-FT155550
According to oral family tradition E-FT155550 comes from a deserter of Napoleon's troops (1808-1813) who stayed in Spain and changed his surname.


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Updating the theme
From New Deep Dives in recent weeks
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E-V22 - E-BY7449 - E-BY7566 - E-FT155550
According to oral family tradition E-FT155550 comes from a deserter of Napoleon's troops (1808-1813) who stayed in Spain and changed his surname.


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Three of my last new Deep Dives at MTA
And new matches:
And new matches. Let's see if I don't repeat because there are so many samples already, right
12. Copper Age Alburg-Lerchenhaid Straubing Bavaria
2225 BC - Genetic Distance: 10.46 - I3590
38. Early Bronze Age Mokrin Necropolis Serbia
1950 BC - Genetic Distance: 12.45 - MOK15
43. Copper Age Prague Kobylisy Czech
2220 BC - Genetic Distance: 12.67 - I4890
45. Belgic Tribe Colmar France
340 BC - Genetic Distance: 12.77 - COL153i
47. Viking Age Karda Smaland Sweden
1000 AD - Genetic Distance: 13.0 - VK265
48. Early Bronze Age Mokrin Necropolis Serbia
1950 BC - Genetic Distance: 13.15 - MOK10
83. Early Medieval Germany Straubing-Bajuwarenstrasse
520 AD - Genetic Distance: 14.28 - STR310
90. Early Bronze Age Mokrin Necropolis Serbia
1950 BC - Genetic Distance: 14.5 - MOK18
111. Early Bronze Age Mokrin Necropolis Serbia
1950 BC - Genetic Distance: 14.98 - MOK27
137. Early Bronze Age Mokrin Necropolis Serbia
1950 BC - Genetic Distance: 15.8 - MOK20
169. Bronze Age Early Celt Wartau Switzerland
1651 BC - Genetic Distance: 16.66 - SX20
174. East Smithfield Plague Victim London
1349 AD - Genetic Distance: 16.75 - 8291
178. Carthago Al-Andalus Alhama de Granada
1200 AD - Genetic Distance: 16.9 - I7457
179. Protovillanovia Martinsicuro
930 BC - Genetic Distance: 16.97 - R1
201. Early Bronze Age Mokrin Necropolis Serbia
1950 BC - Genetic Distance: 17.49 - MOK14
279. Early Bronze Age Mokrin Necropolis Serbia
1950 BC - Genetic Distance: 19.68 - MOK21
303. Viking Settler Erik the Red Farm Greenland
990 AD - Genetic Distance: 20.49 - VK193
330. Early Bronze Age Mokrin Necropolis Serbia
1950 BC - Genetic Distance: 21.13 - MOK9
345. Late Medieval Latvia Riga Dome Church
1622 AD - Genetic Distance: 21.52 - RG161c
346. Viking Age Bogovej Langeland Denmark
900 AD - Genetic Distance: 21.53 - VK362
354. Viking Age Kaargarden Denmark
950 AD - Genetic Distance: 21.64 - VK276
356. Celtic-Saxon Hinxton
700 AD - Genetic Distance: 21.66 - HinxtonO2
359. Viking Age Karda Smaland Sweden
1000 AD - Genetic Distance: 21.74 - VK269
363. Viking Age Karda Smaland Sweden
1000 AD - Genetic Distance: 21.86 - VK267
372. Early Bronze Age Mokrin Necropolis Serbia
1950 BC - Genetic Distance: 22.09 - MOK28
382. Bronze Age Yarnton Oxfordshire England
2290 BC - Genetic Distance: 22.33 - I2446
383. Germanic Mixed Tribe
505 AD - Genetic Distance: 22.35 - AED125b
384. Ostrogoth Frankish Mix
410 AD - Genetic Distance: 22.37 - STR_328
385. Byzantine Roman Warrior
605 AD - Genetic Distance: 22.4 - NS3b
391. Early Bronze Age Mokrin Necropolis Serbia
1950 BC - Genetic Distance: 22.49 - MOK23
393. Proto-Celtic Child Bronze Age Wehringen
1957 BC - Genetic Distance: 22.53 - WEHR_1415child
397. Viking Age Karda Smaland Sweden
1000 AD - Genetic Distance: 22.58 - VK266
400. Germanic Tribe Crypta Balbi
500 AD - Genetic Distance: 22.72 - R106
402. Medieval Cambridge Plague Victim
1350 AD - Genetic Distance: 22.74 - NMA003A
403. Iberian El Argar Bronze Age
1500 BC - Genetic Distance: 22.76 - I8136
404. Bell Beaker England
2150 BC - Genetic Distance: 22.82 - I1767
412. Late Neolithic Auvernier Switzerland
2734 BC - Genetic Distance: 22.94 - MX304
414. Danish Viking Medieval Denmark
1150 AD - Genetic Distance: 22.98 - G57
416. Pre-Slav Medieval Poland
1100 AD - Genetic Distance: 23.07 - PCA157_Mar6
420. Bronze Age Valencia Lloma de Betxi
1841 BC - Genetic Distance: 23.18 - I3997
421. Medieval Denmark Odense
1315 AD - Genetic Distance: 23.2 - G120
423. Carthago-Iberian-Mehrebi Cordoba Caliphate
950 AD - Genetic Distance: 23.22 - I7500
424. Bronze Age Scotland
1450 BC - Genetic Distance: 23.22 - I2653
425. Copper Age Radovesice Czech
2350 BC - Genetic Distance: 23.25 - I7211
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E-V22 - E-BY7449 - E-BY7566 - E-FT155550
According to oral family tradition E-FT155550 comes from a deserter of Napoleon's troops (1808-1813) who stayed in Spain and changed his surname.


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Interesting. You share 85cM with a viking? and with a largest segment of 35cM?
This is too much. It is obvious that you descend from him (or someone related with him), so he is your family.
Even in gedmatch the largest segment I get from someone alive is 18cM, and the total cM is like 26cM or something like that.
Either you have been very lucky with that match or they are using other kind of parametrización but sharing 85cM with someone that died 1000 years ago is impressive.
Ahora te toca ver cómo llegaron los vikingos a Andalucía, o bien como los que en las crónicas llamaban "eslavos" que incluían gentes de muchas nacionalidades, incluyendo nórdicos, o cómo jefe de algún reino de taifas (alguno fue "eslavo), o bien por las incursiones que hicieron por el Guadalquivir. A saber.



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De ser descendiente de vikingos en el caso de Andalucía debe partir del tercio norte peninsular.
Es algo difícil asimilar para el inconsciente colectivo debido al machaque continuo durante generaciones de asociar Al-Andalus con Andalucía, pero descendientes de esos andalusíes en Andalucía debe ser una minoría que no llegue al 5%, estando la inmensa mayoría de ellos en Marruecos.
Se estima que en Marruecos existen alrededor de 5 millones de descendientes andalusíes fruto de las continuas expulsiones o desplazamiento de las poblaciones moriscas a lo largo de la Reconquista.
Andalucía es el lugar de encuentro de todos los pueblos del tercio norte peninsular, en la que puedes encontrar desde apellidos gallegos, a vascos o catalanes, yo mismo tirando de memoria de antiguos compañeros de colegio o instituto puedo recordar apellidos como Ossorio, Treviño o Lloret.


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No, sí lo sé perfectamente. Yo soy el principal defensor de la teoría de que lo de Al Andalus está sobredimensionado en el imaginario colectivo de una manera brutal. Estoy seguro que en el 95% de los núcleos de población de Andalucía bajo el dominio del islam (en las 4-5 capitales) no se vio a un moro en la vida. Lo mismo que cuando los Romanos. Serían como mucho el 1% de la población (unos cuantos comerciantes, algún italiano, y muchos militares y burócratas y sólo en algunos puntos de población concretos).
Pero que compartas 85cM con un vikingo me parece una burrada. No sé, habría que ver con otros españoles cómo tendrían esa comparación y qué resultado les daría. Lo digo porque mis gedmatch actuales (con personas vivas) mi máximo son 26cM o algo así, y de ahí para abajo hasta 7cM. Y estoy hablando de cientos de personas con las que comparto pequeños segmentos que seguramente sean de hace 2000-3000 años. Me hice el BigY y me dijeron que no hay nadie en su base de datos vinculado a mí en los últimos 2500 años. Así que o realmente desciendes de algún vikingo o normando (incluso en AlAndalus hubo "eslavos" que eran nórdicos y que dirigieron alguna taifa), o a saber, pero lo q me sorprende es los 85cM. Es una burrada e implicaría una cercanía en el tiempo relativamente corta (hablo de 300 años o menos).
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