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    Mi resultado con esta muestra de agricultores ganaderos neolíticos
    I0412 Troc5/Espagne neolithique M471235


    GEDmatch® Q-Matching One-to-One Comparison - V1.0
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    Comparing Kit GGGGGG (Gallop) [FTDNA] and M471235 (I0412 SpainEN) [Migration - V3 - M]

    Precision: 30.0
    cM threshold: 5.0
    Maximum cM: No Limit
    Gap threshold: 2.0 cM's
    All SNPs used.

    Total cM: 5.98
    Largest segment cM: 5.98
    Total segments: 1
    Total gap-induced breaks: 3
    Max gap: 2.16
    ..... gap: 44881336-70984372 on chromosome 9

    Comparison took 0.726 seconds.
    CPU time used: 0.723 cpu seconds.
    https://www.yfull.com/tree/E-BY7449/
    E-V22 - E-BY7449 - E-BY7566 - E-FT155550
    According to oral family tradition E-FT155550 comes from a deserter of Napoleon's troops (1808-1813) who stayed in Spain and changed his surname.

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    Software Version May 25 2020 1807
    Comparing Kit GGGGGGG (Gallop) [FTDNA] and M276583 (la Braña WHG) [Migration - V3 - M]

    Precision: 30.0
    cM threshold: 2.0
    Maximum cM: No Limit
    Gap threshold: 2.0 cM's
    All SNPs used.

    Total cM: 10.02
    Largest segment cM: 2.91
    Total segments: 4
    Total gap-induced breaks: 2
    Max gap: 2.16
    ..... gap: 44881336-70984372 on chromosome 9
    Top 10 Q scores:
    Q-score: 25.00
    Q-score: 12.00
    Q-score: 8.00
    Q-score: 0.00

    Comparison took 0.902 seconds.
    CPU time used: 0.885 cpu seconds.

    Ver: May 25 2020 1807


    Software Version May 25 2020 1807
    Comparing Kit GGGGGG (Gallop) [FTDNA] and M236020 (Villabruna Epigravettian) [Migration - V3 - M]

    Precision: 30.0
    cM threshold: 4.0
    Maximum cM: No Limit
    Gap threshold: 2.0 cM's
    All SNPs used.

    Total cM: 4.26
    Largest segment cM: 4.26
    Total segments: 1
    Total gap-induced breaks: 3
    Max gap: 2.20
    ..... gap: 44866028-71040170 on chromosome 9

    Comparison took 0.751 seconds.
    CPU time used: 0.738 cpu seconds.

    Ver: May 25 2020 180


    Software Version May 25 2020 1807
    Comparing Kit GGGG (Gallop) [FTDNA] and T882519 (Iceman_2) [Migration - F2 - T]

    Precision: 30.0
    cM threshold: 7.0
    Maximum cM: No Limit
    Gap threshold: 2.0 cM's
    All SNPs used.

    Total cM: 7.54
    Largest segment cM: 7.54
    Total segments: 1
    Total gap-induced breaks: 11
    Max gap: 10.16
    ..... gap: 28097278-33277809 on chromosome 15

    Comparison took 0.638 seconds.
    CPU time used: 0.635 cpu seconds.

    Ver: May 25 2020 1807

    Software Version May 25 2020 18:28:07
    Comparing Kit GGGGGG (Gallop) [FTDNA] and M471235 (I0412 SpainEN) [Migration - V3 - M]

    Els Trocs

    Precision: 30.0
    cM threshold: 5.0
    Maximum cM: No Limit
    Gap threshold: 2.0 cM's
    All SNPs used.

    Total cM: 5.98
    Largest segment cM: 5.98
    Total segments: 1
    Total gap-induced breaks: 3
    Max gap: 2.16
    ..... gap: 44881336-70984372 on chromosome 9


    I have observed that I get La Braña, Villabruna and Trocs on chromosome 9 and if I go to the MTA chroma I see that I have the Kent bronze sample previously there was a segment on chromosome 9 with a frank sample as in MTA they come and go, now I have this.

    Any suggestion?

    Is it possible that the mix between hunter-gatherers and farmers occurred soon?


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    According to oral family tradition E-FT155550 comes from a deserter of Napoleon's troops (1808-1813) who stayed in Spain and changed his surname.

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    Let's review my Neolithic

    Romania, Podolia and Rusia, mind you, the first time I took it out.





















    Last edited by Gallop; 06-28-2020 at 06:15 PM.
    https://www.yfull.com/tree/E-BY7449/
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    According to oral family tradition E-FT155550 comes from a deserter of Napoleon's troops (1808-1813) who stayed in Spain and changed his surname.

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    More NO Results

    I do not need any application to know that I do not get results with Guanche unless it was mixed with Iberian and not with Tarofalt.

    In this case, there is no correspondence with Guanche either, so I do not know what has been done in any application so that the Spanish seem to be paying for the results with Tarofalt or Guanche when these results say otherwise.
















    As you can see I don't get results so I'm not going to swallow something that isn't. If it is, it is, but if it is not, it is not.
    https://www.yfull.com/tree/E-BY7449/
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    According to oral family tradition E-FT155550 comes from a deserter of Napoleon's troops (1808-1813) who stayed in Spain and changed his surname.

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    Updating my results in My Origins in FTDNA









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    E-V22 - E-BY7449 - E-BY7566 - E-FT155550
    According to oral family tradition E-FT155550 comes from a deserter of Napoleon's troops (1808-1813) who stayed in Spain and changed his surname.

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    Updating the theme
    From New Deep Dives in recent weeks





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    According to oral family tradition E-FT155550 comes from a deserter of Napoleon's troops (1808-1813) who stayed in Spain and changed his surname.

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    Three of my last new Deep Dives at MTA








    And new matches:

    And new matches. Let's see if I don't repeat because there are so many samples already, right

    12. Copper Age Alburg-Lerchenhaid Straubing Bavaria
    2225 BC - Genetic Distance: 10.46 - I3590

    38. Early Bronze Age Mokrin Necropolis Serbia
    1950 BC - Genetic Distance: 12.45 - MOK15

    43. Copper Age Prague Kobylisy Czech
    2220 BC - Genetic Distance: 12.67 - I4890

    45. Belgic Tribe Colmar France
    340 BC - Genetic Distance: 12.77 - COL153i

    47. Viking Age Karda Smaland Sweden
    1000 AD - Genetic Distance: 13.0 - VK265

    48. Early Bronze Age Mokrin Necropolis Serbia
    1950 BC - Genetic Distance: 13.15 - MOK10

    83. Early Medieval Germany Straubing-Bajuwarenstrasse
    520 AD - Genetic Distance: 14.28 - STR310

    90. Early Bronze Age Mokrin Necropolis Serbia
    1950 BC - Genetic Distance: 14.5 - MOK18

    111. Early Bronze Age Mokrin Necropolis Serbia
    1950 BC - Genetic Distance: 14.98 - MOK27

    137. Early Bronze Age Mokrin Necropolis Serbia
    1950 BC - Genetic Distance: 15.8 - MOK20

    169. Bronze Age Early Celt Wartau Switzerland
    1651 BC - Genetic Distance: 16.66 - SX20

    174. East Smithfield Plague Victim London
    1349 AD - Genetic Distance: 16.75 - 8291

    178. Carthago Al-Andalus Alhama de Granada
    1200 AD - Genetic Distance: 16.9 - I7457

    179. Protovillanovia Martinsicuro
    930 BC - Genetic Distance: 16.97 - R1

    201. Early Bronze Age Mokrin Necropolis Serbia
    1950 BC - Genetic Distance: 17.49 - MOK14

    279. Early Bronze Age Mokrin Necropolis Serbia
    1950 BC - Genetic Distance: 19.68 - MOK21

    303. Viking Settler Erik the Red Farm Greenland
    990 AD - Genetic Distance: 20.49 - VK193

    330. Early Bronze Age Mokrin Necropolis Serbia
    1950 BC - Genetic Distance: 21.13 - MOK9

    345. Late Medieval Latvia Riga Dome Church
    1622 AD - Genetic Distance: 21.52 - RG161c

    346. Viking Age Bogovej Langeland Denmark
    900 AD - Genetic Distance: 21.53 - VK362

    354. Viking Age Kaargarden Denmark
    950 AD - Genetic Distance: 21.64 - VK276

    356. Celtic-Saxon Hinxton
    700 AD - Genetic Distance: 21.66 - HinxtonO2

    359. Viking Age Karda Smaland Sweden
    1000 AD - Genetic Distance: 21.74 - VK269

    363. Viking Age Karda Smaland Sweden
    1000 AD - Genetic Distance: 21.86 - VK267

    372. Early Bronze Age Mokrin Necropolis Serbia
    1950 BC - Genetic Distance: 22.09 - MOK28

    382. Bronze Age Yarnton Oxfordshire England
    2290 BC - Genetic Distance: 22.33 - I2446

    383. Germanic Mixed Tribe
    505 AD - Genetic Distance: 22.35 - AED125b

    384. Ostrogoth Frankish Mix
    410 AD - Genetic Distance: 22.37 - STR_328

    385. Byzantine Roman Warrior
    605 AD - Genetic Distance: 22.4 - NS3b

    391. Early Bronze Age Mokrin Necropolis Serbia
    1950 BC - Genetic Distance: 22.49 - MOK23

    393. Proto-Celtic Child Bronze Age Wehringen
    1957 BC - Genetic Distance: 22.53 - WEHR_1415child

    397. Viking Age Karda Smaland Sweden
    1000 AD - Genetic Distance: 22.58 - VK266

    400. Germanic Tribe Crypta Balbi
    500 AD - Genetic Distance: 22.72 - R106

    402. Medieval Cambridge Plague Victim
    1350 AD - Genetic Distance: 22.74 - NMA003A

    403. Iberian El Argar Bronze Age
    1500 BC - Genetic Distance: 22.76 - I8136

    404. Bell Beaker England
    2150 BC - Genetic Distance: 22.82 - I1767

    412. Late Neolithic Auvernier Switzerland
    2734 BC - Genetic Distance: 22.94 - MX304

    414. Danish Viking Medieval Denmark
    1150 AD - Genetic Distance: 22.98 - G57

    416. Pre-Slav Medieval Poland
    1100 AD - Genetic Distance: 23.07 - PCA157_Mar6

    420. Bronze Age Valencia Lloma de Betxi
    1841 BC - Genetic Distance: 23.18 - I3997

    421. Medieval Denmark Odense
    1315 AD - Genetic Distance: 23.2 - G120

    423. Carthago-Iberian-Mehrebi Cordoba Caliphate
    950 AD - Genetic Distance: 23.22 - I7500

    424. Bronze Age Scotland
    1450 BC - Genetic Distance: 23.22 - I2653

    425. Copper Age Radovesice Czech
    2350 BC - Genetic Distance: 23.25 - I7211
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gallop View Post
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    23.25 - I7211
    Interesting. You share 85cM with a viking? and with a largest segment of 35cM?

    This is too much. It is obvious that you descend from him (or someone related with him), so he is your family.

    Even in gedmatch the largest segment I get from someone alive is 18cM, and the total cM is like 26cM or something like that.

    Either you have been very lucky with that match or they are using other kind of parametrización but sharing 85cM with someone that died 1000 years ago is impressive.

    Ahora te toca ver cómo llegaron los vikingos a Andalucía, o bien como los que en las crónicas llamaban "eslavos" que incluían gentes de muchas nacionalidades, incluyendo nórdicos, o cómo jefe de algún reino de taifas (alguno fue "eslavo), o bien por las incursiones que hicieron por el Guadalquivir. A saber.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gota_type_ View Post
    Ahora te toca ver cómo llegaron los vikingos a Andalucía, o bien como los que en las crónicas llamaban "eslavos" que incluían gentes de muchas nacionalidades, incluyendo nórdicos, o cómo jefe de algún reino de taifas (alguno fue "eslavo), o bien por las incursiones que hicieron por el Guadalquivir. A saber.
    De ser descendiente de vikingos en el caso de Andalucía debe partir del tercio norte peninsular.

    Es algo difícil asimilar para el inconsciente colectivo debido al machaque continuo durante generaciones de asociar Al-Andalus con Andalucía, pero descendientes de esos andalusíes en Andalucía debe ser una minoría que no llegue al 5%, estando la inmensa mayoría de ellos en Marruecos.

    Se estima que en Marruecos existen alrededor de 5 millones de descendientes andalusíes fruto de las continuas expulsiones o desplazamiento de las poblaciones moriscas a lo largo de la Reconquista.

    Andalucía es el lugar de encuentro de todos los pueblos del tercio norte peninsular, en la que puedes encontrar desde apellidos gallegos, a vascos o catalanes, yo mismo tirando de memoria de antiguos compañeros de colegio o instituto puedo recordar apellidos como Ossorio, Treviño o Lloret.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gaditanian View Post
    De ser descendiente de vikingos en el caso de Andalucía debe partir del tercio norte peninsular.

    Es algo difícil asimilar para el inconsciente colectivo debido al machaque continuo durante generaciones de asociar Al-Andalus con Andalucía, pero descendientes de esos andalusíes en Andalucía debe ser una minoría que no llegue al 5%, estando la inmensa mayoría de ellos en Marruecos.

    Se estima que en Marruecos existen alrededor de 5 millones de descendientes andalusíes fruto de las continuas expulsiones o desplazamiento de las poblaciones moriscas a lo largo de la Reconquista.

    Andalucía es el lugar de encuentro de todos los pueblos del tercio norte peninsular, en la que puedes encontrar desde apellidos gallegos, a vascos o catalanes, yo mismo tirando de memoria de antiguos compañeros de colegio o instituto puedo recordar apellidos como Ossorio, Treviño o Lloret.
    No, sí lo sé perfectamente. Yo soy el principal defensor de la teoría de que lo de Al Andalus está sobredimensionado en el imaginario colectivo de una manera brutal. Estoy seguro que en el 95% de los núcleos de población de Andalucía bajo el dominio del islam (en las 4-5 capitales) no se vio a un moro en la vida. Lo mismo que cuando los Romanos. Serían como mucho el 1% de la población (unos cuantos comerciantes, algún italiano, y muchos militares y burócratas y sólo en algunos puntos de población concretos).

    Pero que compartas 85cM con un vikingo me parece una burrada. No sé, habría que ver con otros españoles cómo tendrían esa comparación y qué resultado les daría. Lo digo porque mis gedmatch actuales (con personas vivas) mi máximo son 26cM o algo así, y de ahí para abajo hasta 7cM. Y estoy hablando de cientos de personas con las que comparto pequeños segmentos que seguramente sean de hace 2000-3000 años. Me hice el BigY y me dijeron que no hay nadie en su base de datos vinculado a mí en los últimos 2500 años. Así que o realmente desciendes de algún vikingo o normando (incluso en AlAndalus hubo "eslavos" que eran nórdicos y que dirigieron alguna taifa), o a saber, pero lo q me sorprende es los 85cM. Es una burrada e implicaría una cercanía en el tiempo relativamente corta (hablo de 300 años o menos).

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