Gedmatch calculators on Vahaduo

**J. Ketch** · 12-10-2020, 09:29 PM

Originally Posted by Leto

Kinda low non-Caucasoid, maybe except for the South Asian. The actual "Afrikan" part is minimal.

Not all Afrikaners have SSA it seems, but most do. They're not entirely descended from the early bottleneck population of the 1600s that mixed with Blacks/Indians, they also have later European input from the 1700s and since.

**Abriekman** · 12-10-2020, 09:30 PM

Does somebody have samples from Podolia region? Just any, Polish or Ukrainian

**Lucas** · 12-10-2020, 09:35 PM

Originally Posted by Leto

The Eurogenes "classic" Estonian_Polish (+ 4 more samples from a later study, 15 in total) for Dodecad K12b

Code:

Estonian_Polish,4.09,1.78,0,0.37,21.77,59.19,0.48,0,0.96,0.44,10.88,0

Distance to: Estonian_Polish
1.05451411 Russian_Smolensk
1.69088734 Belorussian
2.01727539 Southwest_Russian
2.31793011 Russian_Tver
2.51590938 PL_Mazovia
3.00074991 Russian_Kursk
3.03394133 Russian_Oryol
3.29893922 Russian_Voronezh
4.32641884 Russian_Ryazan
4.41964931 Russian_Pskov
4.64541710 Polish_mixed
4.70874718 Ukrainian
5.89124775 PL_Warmia-Masuria
6.33490331 Russian_Kostroma
7.13843120 Estonian
7.58333040 Sorb_Lusatia
8.20147548 Russian_North_Dvina
8.21881378 Lithuanian
10.03578597 Russian_Ural
10.58129482 Slovak

Distance: 0.4149% / 0.41491652
Target: Estonian_Polish | ADC: 0.25x RC
69.8 Russian_Smolensk
25.0 Russian_Tver
2.9 Finnish_West
2.3 Swedish

Distance: 0.4883% / 0.48832030
Target: Estonian_Polish | ADC: 0.5x RC
80.7 Russian_Smolensk
14.3 Russian_Tver
5.0 Finnish_West

I don't like this reference and don't want to add. It is based on just few mixed Poles from Estonia, probably settled there in Soviet times only and mixed with locals. Not a proper ref at all.

**Lucas** · 12-10-2020, 09:38 PM

Originally Posted by Kyp

For Dodecadk12b:

n=3

Code:

Tsakhur_Azerbaijan,23.03,2.16,0,0,5.39,18.84,0.91,0,5.47,2.22,41.97,0

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsakhur_people

added

**Leto** · 12-10-2020, 09:39 PM

Originally Posted by Lucas

I don't like this reference and don't want to add. It is based on just few mixed Poles from Estonia, probably settled there in Soviet times only and mixed with locals. Not a proper ref at all.

Well, you may not want to add it but it's very close to my father, the distance is like 1.53. Out of 15 samples one is 7+ percent Siberian, another one is 4+ percent, the rest are 0-2%.

**Leto** · 12-10-2020, 09:44 PM

Originally Posted by Abriekman

Does somebody have samples from Podolia region? Just any, Polish or Ukrainian

Khmelnitsky and Vinnitsa? Don't remember any confirmed full kits from there.

**Lucas** · 12-10-2020, 09:45 PM

Originally Posted by Leto

Well, you may not want to add it but it's very close to my father, the distance is like 1.53. Out of 15 samples one is 7+ percent Siberian, another one is 4+ percent, the rest are 0-2%.

But it not autochtonous Polish community. Poles live SE Latvia since centuries and I'm sure they are just like Lithuania Poles, without any significant Siberian.
No one ever heard about long-established Polish minority in Estonia. Some workers arrived in inter-war period from Poland. Then in Soviet times some miners from former Kresy arrived too. But they aren't native minority and genetic population in valid sense. And it is just about 1500-2000 people dispersed all over the country.
https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polacy_w_Estonii

It is like creating Russian reference from Russians living in Poland. https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosjanie_w_Polsce But in such case it would be even valid in case of Starover community from Augustów. No such thing in Estonia for Poles.

**Leto** · 12-10-2020, 09:48 PM

Originally Posted by Lucas

But it not autochtonous Polish community. Poles live SE Latvia since centuries and I'm sure they are just like Lithuania Poles, without any significant Siberian.
No one ever heard about long-established Polish minority in Estonia. Some workers arrfived in inter-war period from Poland. Then in Soviet times some miners from former Kresy arrvied too. But they aren't native minority and genetic population in valid sense. And it is just about 2000 people dispersed all over country.
https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polacy_w_Estonii

I agree, Dawid (being Polish himself) should have added LT or LV Polish instead.

Since you're here, please delete Cossack_Kuban from K13. 2 samples is a joke. We've discussed it recently in another thread, it's pretty much crap IMO.

**Lucas** · 12-10-2020, 09:50 PM

Originally Posted by Leto

I agree, Dawid (being Polish himself) should have added LT or LV Polish instead.

Since you're here, please delete Cossack_Kuban from K13. 2 samples is a joke. We've discussed it recently in another thread, it's pretty much crap IMO.

yes it is, ok

**Leto** · 12-10-2020, 09:51 PM

Originally Posted by Lucas

It is like creating Russian reference from Russians living in Poland. https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosjanie_w_Polsce But in such case it would be even valid in case of Starover community from Augustów. No such thing in Estonia for Poles.

Well, even Russians in Estonia or Latvia are mostly (not all) recent migrants and their children (post WW2). My uncle lives in Estonia for ex, his son was even born there (mother is Russian).