Moldovan/Romanian GEDmatch Results v2

[Ion Basescul]

I ran conditional formatting on my family's results to see the high and low values for each component.

Name	N_Atlantic	Baltic	West_Med	West_Asian	East_Med	Red_Sea	South_Asian	East_Asian	Siberian	Amerindian	Oceanian	NE_African	Sub-Saharan
IonBasescul_MyHeritage	23.53	30.47	15.75	11.25	12.26	1.47	0.66	1.12	2.34	0.10	1.05	0	0
IonBasescul_brother_MyHeritage	20.94	32.81	16.13	11.69	12.21	0.97	2.06	1.03	1.08	0.54	0.54	0	0
IonBasescul_mom_MyHeritage	19.44	37.30	15.60	10.04	13.19	0.47	0.95	1.49	0.28	0.41	0.82	0	0
IonBasescul_dad_MyHeritage	24.14	32.44	14.55	11.75	12.15	0	1.62	0	1.54	0.96	0	0.33	0.51

Same as above, but now also with all Apricity users from Moldova and my merged kit.

Name	N_Atlantic	Baltic	West_Med	West_Asian	East_Med	Red_Sea	South_Asian	East_Asian	Siberian	Amerindian	Oceanian	NE_African	Sub-Saharan
IonBasescul_MyHeritage	23.53	30.47	15.75	11.25	12.26	1.47	0.66	1.12	2.34	0.10	1.05	0	0
IonBasescul_brother_MyHeritage	20.94	32.81	16.13	11.69	12.21	0.97	2.06	1.03	1.08	0.54	0.54	0	0
IonBasescul_mom_MyHeritage	19.44	37.30	15.60	10.04	13.19	0.47	0.95	1.49	0.28	0.41	0.82	0	0
IonBasescul_dad_MyHeritage	24.14	32.44	14.55	11.75	12.15	0	1.62	0	1.54	0.96	0	0.33	0.51
Zmey_Gorynych_?	22.18	33.94	14.38	9.99	13.86	3.05	0	1.21	0	0.91	0.49	0	0
superjelly40_23andme	25.90	28.78	18.11	10.36	9.02	2.97	1.81	0	1.34	0.67	0	1.04	0
IonBasescul_Merged	25.47	29.48	15.06	9.86	12.89	1.53	0.63	1.83	2.85	0	0.40	0	0

[Ion Basescul]

A Moldovan/Khokhol mix

North_Atlantic 26.16 Pct
Baltic 36.14 Pct
West_Med 14.89 Pct
West_Asian 6.94 Pct
East_Med 9.6 Pct
Red_Sea 2.34 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian -
Siberian 1.04 Pct
Amerindian 2.15 Pct
Oceanian 0.75 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

Distance to: GretaR
4.07251765 Croat_East
4.13842965 Ukrainian_Ivano_Frankivsk
4.81888991 Croat
5.07222831 Hungarian_Alföld
5.32122166 Hungarian_Northern
5.32820795 Moldova_North
5.89043588 Slovak
6.10833856 Hungarian
6.18180394 Slovenian
6.22127800 Croat_Littoral
6.22487751 Croat_north
6.39161951 Croat_Bosnia&Herzegovina
6.49221842 Bosniak
6.72098207 Hungarian_Transdanubia+Budapest
7.98094606 Csángó
8.06161274 Ukrainian_Lviv
8.08768199 Moldova_Ukrainian
8.23148225 Serb_north
8.54128796 Romania_Moldavia_North
8.68822191 Czech


Distance: 1.1976% / 1.19756526
Target: GretaR | ADC: 0.25x RC
39.4 Ukrainian_Lviv
29.4 Croat_East
17.6 Ukrainian_Ivano_Frankivsk
7.2 Moldova_North
4.8 Sardinia
1.6 Mayan

Distance: 1.9178% / 1.91781138
Target: GretaR | ADC: 0.5x RC
26.8 Hungarian_Alföld
26.4 Ukrainian_Ivano_Frankivsk
24.5 Moldova_North
20.6 Ukrainian_Lviv
1.7 Mayan

This kit is half West Ukrainian and half Moldovan/Romanian from R. Moldova. On the Ukrainian side there's also Polish admix, while on the Moldovan they are not sure if one great-grandparent was also Moldovan because of the Slavic-specific forename, which still looks pretty Moldovan to me since there are 3.8k of such names in the country. Judging by the K13 results, she scores close to the average of people that I know who are half Moldovan and half Slavic, be it Ukrainian or Russian.

Name	Number of Samples	N_Atlantic	Baltic	West_Med	West_Asian	East_Med	Red_Sea	South_Asian	East_Asian	Siberian	Amerindian	Oceanian	NE_African	Sub-Saharan
Moldova_1/2Moldovan_1/2EastSlavic	16	25.01	36.69	13.81	8.71	9.85	1.41	1.18	0.55	1.56	0.58	0.43	0.08	0.15

[Leto]

Good. My presumed description was right.

Funny how she's Moldovan and Western Ukrainian, yet still speaks Russian. They all do when necessary. When not they will pretend they can't.

[Leto]

On Dodecad she's actually only a tiny bit more Southern than the new IF average

Distance to: Greta
3.61124632 Ukrainian_Ivano-Frankivsk
4.34044929 Hungarians
5.48805977 Croat
5.80293029 Bosnian
5.95837226 MD_North
6.03537903 Slovenian
7.20156233 Slovak
8.65603835 Czech
9.58618798 MD_Center
9.66181142 HUN_Szekely

Distance: 2.0817% / 2.08173896
Target: Greta | ADC: 0.25x RC
96.1 Ukrainian_Ivano-Frankivsk
3.9 Kuwait2

[Ion Basescul]

On Dodecad she's actually only a tiny bit more Southern than the new IF average

Distance to: Greta
3.61124632 Ukrainian_Ivano-Frankivsk
4.34044929 Hungarians
5.48805977 Croat
5.80293029 Bosnian
5.95837226 MD_North
6.03537903 Slovenian
7.20156233 Slovak
8.65603835 Czech
9.58618798 MD_Center
9.66181142 HUN_Szekely

Distance: 2.0817% / 2.08173896
Target: Greta | ADC: 0.25x RC
96.1 Ukrainian_Ivano-Frankivsk
3.9 Kuwait2

She's not from IF though, but on the border with Slovakia, so probably Zakarpatiya. I am not sure if people there score like those in IF, but the Polish admix must be pulling her a bit to the North compared to the IF average, while the Moldovan side pushes to the South, and so overall she lands close to the IF average.

[Ion Basescul]

On Dodecad she's actually only a tiny bit more Southern than the new IF average

Distance to: Greta
3.61124632 Ukrainian_Ivano-Frankivsk
4.34044929 Hungarians
5.48805977 Croat
5.80293029 Bosnian
5.95837226 MD_North
6.03537903 Slovenian
7.20156233 Slovak
8.65603835 Czech
9.58618798 MD_Center
9.66181142 HUN_Szekely

Distance: 2.0817% / 2.08173896
Target: Greta | ADC: 0.25x RC
96.1 Ukrainian_Ivano-Frankivsk
3.9 Kuwait2

Here's a run with selected components on K13.

Distance to:	1/2Ukr_1/2Mold_ind
4.13842965	Ukrainian_Ivano_Frankivsk
5.32820795	Moldova_North
5.89043588	Slovak
8.06161274	Ukrainian_Lviv
8.08768199	Moldova_Ukrainian
9.05240852	Moldova_Centre
9.10338948	Moldova_average
9.53528710	Ukrainian
12.93278392	Polish
14.19628825	Ukrainian_Belgorod
15.36988939	Moldova_South
18.93099575	Pomak_average
20.10164421	Moldova_South_Gagauzia
39.83273026	Moldova_Jewish
40.76253550	Moldova_Roma

Distance: 2.6250% / 2.62497851
Target: 1/2Ukr_1/2Mold_ind | ADC: 0.25x RC
44.5 Moldova_North
28.0 Slovak
19.1 Ukrainian_Ivano_Frankivsk
8.4 Ukrainian_Lviv

If I remove IF and Slovak
Distance: 2.5786% / 2.57858253
Target: 1/2Ukr_1/2Mold_ind | ADC: 0.25x RC
66.5 Ukrainian_Lviv
33.5 Moldova_South
0.0 Moldova_average
0.0 Moldova_Centre
0.0 Moldova_Jewish
0.0 Moldova_North
0.0 Moldova_Roma
0.0 Moldova_South_Gagauzia
0.0 Moldova_Ukrainian
0.0 Polish
0.0 Ukrainian
0.0 Ukrainian_Belgorod

If I remove Moldova_South, since the surname is more specific to Centre-North
Distance: 2.8454% / 2.84544669
Target: 1/2Ukr_1/2Mold_ind | ADC: 0.25x RC
54.7 Moldova_average
26.7 Polish
18.6 Ukrainian_Lviv
0.0 Moldova_Centre
0.0 Moldova_Jewish
0.0 Moldova_North
0.0 Moldova_Roma
0.0 Moldova_Ukrainian
0.0 Ukrainian
0.0 Ukrainian_Belgorod

Fits like a glove

[Leto]

Transcarpathian oblast, Ivano-Frankovsk (at least the southern part if not the capital city) and Chernovtsy might be more or less identical (obviously including minor or individual variations).

[Ion Basescul]

Attachment 104433

Here are my gedmatch results. As far as I know, all my family including great grandparents are from Ialoveni district. Not too sure if these are typical for that region.

I have another result from Ialoveni district. This person was previously labelled from Chisinau, where he is from, but I got in touch and both parents were born in the village of Costesti in Ialoveni.

N_Atlantic	Baltic	West_Med	West_Asian	East_Med	Red_Sea	South_Asian	East_Asian	Siberian	Amerindian	Oceanian	NE_African	Sub-Saharan
26.90	26.30	15.40	9.64	13.58	4.18	0.45	1.13	0.97	0.36	1.07	0	0

Compared to others from Ialoveni

N_Atlantic	Baltic	West_Med	West_Asian	East_Med	Red_Sea	South_Asian	East_Asian	Siberian	Amerindian	Oceanian	NE_African	Sub-Saharan
20.89	32.32	13.89	10.56	15.52	3.55	0	1.31	1.19	0	0.49	0	0.27
21.72	31.59	14.86	9.72	16.73	0.94	2.66	0	0	0.82	0.8	0	0.15
24.49	30.58	15.28	10.52	13.60	0.25	1.34	0.91	1.36	0.44	0.29	0	0.96
25.90	28.78	18.11	10.36	9.02	2.97	1.81	0	1.34	0.67	0	1.04	0

K13 updated

Distance to:	Ialoveni_ind
6.22421079	Moldova_Centre
6.31411118	Moldova_average
7.81831184	Moldova_South
9.23477666	Moldova_North
10.33842348	Moldova_Bulgarian
11.97528288	Moldova_South_Gagauzia
13.61058779	Ukrainian_Ivano_Frankivsk
18.33901579	Ukrainian_Lviv
18.43107430	Moldova_Ukrainian
20.06644463	Ukrainian
25.60454452	Russian_Smolensk
26.31358964	Crimean_Tatar
28.36498546	Romania_Dobruja-Tatar
30.61110419	Moldova_Jewish
33.00260946	Russian_Pinega
34.03793472	Moldova_Roma

+Romania

Distance to:	Ialoveni_ind
4.45332930	Romania_Transilvania_Szekely
4.77410725	Romania_Transilvania_Hungarian
4.80035415	Romania_Maramures
4.84909270	Romania_Moldova_Csango
4.92512944	Romania_Crisana
5.09849978	Romania_Moldova_Sud
5.40303618	Romania_Transilvania
5.59581093	Romania_Moldova_Nord
6.22421079	Moldova_Centre
6.31411118	Moldova_average
6.39452109	Romania_average
6.72671539	Romania_Oltenia
6.87792847	Romania_Banat
7.77464469	Romania_Dobrogea
7.81831184	Moldova_South
8.24916359	Romania_Muntenia
9.23477666	Moldova_North
10.33842348	Moldova_Bulgarian
11.66916021	Romania_Transilvania_Saxon
11.97528288	Moldova_South_Gagauzia
13.03883047	Romania_Ukrainian
13.61058779	Ukrainian_Ivano_Frankivsk
18.33901579	Ukrainian_Lviv
18.43107430	Moldova_Ukrainian
20.06644463	Ukrainian

Distance: 5.6941% / 5.69412376
Target: Ialoveni_ind | ADC: 0.25x RC
76.5 Moldova_South
23.5 Ukrainian_Lviv

[Ion Basescul]

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[Ion Basescul]

I have another result from Ialoveni district. This person was previously labelled from Chisinau, where he is from, but I got in touch and both parents were born in the village of Costesti in Ialoveni.

My merged kit (23andme + LivingDNA + MyHeritage) follows a similar pattern by the way, where it inflates North Atlantic and gives me Hungarians as close populations.

Number of Samples	N_Atlantic	Baltic	West_Med	West_Asian	East_Med	Red_Sea	South_Asian	East_Asian	Siberian	Amerindian	Oceanian	NE_African	Sub-Saharan	NE+NW Euro	Med Euro	Caucasus	SW Asia	Siberia	India
Eu_Merged	25.47	29.48	15.06	9.86	12.89	1.53	0.63	1.83	2.85	0	0.40	0	0	54.95	27.95	9.86	1.53	4.68	0.63
Eu_MyHeritage	23.53	30.47	15.75	11.25	12.26	1.47	0.66	1.12	2.34	0.10	1.05	0	0	54.00	28.01	11.25	1.47	3.56	0.66

Distance to:	Eu_Merged
3.11831685	Romania_Moldova_Csango
3.24149657	Romania_Moldova_Nord
3.67197495	Moldova_Centre
3.80744008	Moldova_average
3.90656892	Romania_Transilvania_Szekely
4.25883787	Romania_Transilvania_Hungarian
4.46354120	Romania_Maramures
5.51538757	Moldova_North
5.73430903	Romania_Moldova_Sud
5.87580633	Romania_Crisana
6.44094714	Romania_Transilvania
7.05904384	Romania_average
7.63431071	Romania_Banat
7.93354271	Romania_Oltenia
8.63143094	Moldova_South
8.68595994	Romania_Dobrogea
9.26330934	Romania_Muntenia
10.05584904	Romania_Ukrainian
10.50334709	Ukrainian_Ivano_Frankivsk
12.92884372	Moldova_Bulgarian
12.95887341	Moldova_South_Gagauzia
14.05969061	Romania_Transilvania_Saxon
15.19692403	Moldova_Ukrainian
15.39600273	Ukrainian_Lviv
16.86707444	Ukrainian

Distance to:	Eu_MyHeritage
3.11846116	Moldova_average
3.25053842	Moldova_Centre
3.86539778	Romania_Moldova_Nord
4.45554710	Moldova_North
5.04804913	Romania_Maramures
5.39937959	Romania_Moldova_Csango
6.33107416	Romania_Moldova_Sud
6.39255884	Romania_Transilvania_Szekely
6.52592522	Romania_Transilvania_Hungarian
6.91711645	Romania_Crisana
7.07968926	Romania_Transilvania
7.35507308	Romania_average
7.79401694	Romania_Banat
8.30643726	Romania_Oltenia
8.51489284	Moldova_South
8.81251950	Romania_Dobrogea
9.30627208	Romania_Muntenia
10.34058509	Romania_Ukrainian
10.58872514	Ukrainian_Ivano_Frankivsk
12.58113667	Moldova_South_Gagauzia
13.28729468	Moldova_Bulgarian
15.00529573	Moldova_Ukrainian
15.05911352	Ukrainian_Lviv
16.19150703	Romania_Transilvania_Saxon
16.63650204	Ukrainian

The guy from above is tested on MyHeritage however, so that does not occur because of the company the test was conducted with. It seems that sometimes K13 struggles with North Atlantic to Baltic differentiation. This is similar to how I noticed happens with East Med and Red Sea in some cases. Some users receive an abnormally low East Med and that gets compensated with an abnormally high Red Sea and in some cases also North African.