Moldovan/Romanian GEDmatch Results v2

**~~Ion Basescul~~** · 12-16-2020, 01:45 PM

Run against the full K13 ancients spreadsheet for Apricity users from Moldova + my family. I think it's pretty consistent. We are pretty much all the same mix of ancient people, but in varying proportions. Mind you, the algorithm picks them out of a total of nearly 1800 samples. That's kind of sick, if you think about it.

Code:

Distance: 1.2470% / 1.24704308
Target: IonBasescul_MyHeritage | ADC: 0.25x RC
31.9    Hungary_AV1_Avar_1361_ybp
24.8    Moldova_scy301_SG_Scythian_SG
21.4    Ukraine_Budjak_MJ12_Thraco_Cimmerian
11.0    Hungary_I3528_Bell_Beaker_EBA_4300_ybp
 5.6    Kazakhstan_Scythian_Pazyryk_IA_Be9
 4.1    Russia_Sungir6_Early_Medieval_Russian_I2a
 1.2    Hungary_DA195_Scythian.SG_2553_ybp

Code:

Distance: 0.7026% / 0.70260832
Target: IonBasescul_brother_MyHeritage | ADC: 0.25x RC
42.5    Ukraine_MJ14_West_Scythian_R1a_Z645
30.3    Hungary_I4131_Bell_Beaker_EBA_4289_ybp
15.2    Ukraine_Budjak_MJ12_Thraco_Cimmerian
 9.9    Russia_Sungir6_Early_Medieval_Russian_I2a
 2.1    Kazakhstan_Scythian_Pazyryk_IA_Be9

Code:

Distance: 2.7200% / 2.72002616
Target: IonBasescul_mom_MyHeritage | ADC: 0.25x RC
54.7    Russia_Sungir6_Early_Medieval_Russian_I2a
18.4    Italy_R128_Lazio_Frosinone_Roman_Imperial
17.5    Ukraine_MJ14_West_Scythian_R1a_Z645
 9.4    Ukraine_Budjak_MJ12_Thraco_Cimmerian

Code:

Distance: 0.8725% / 0.87254478
Target: IonBasescul_dad_MyHeritage | ADC: 0.25x RC
48.9    Hungary_AV1_Avar_1361_ybp
24.5    Ukraine_Budjak_MJ12_Thraco_Cimmerian
16.5    Moldova_scy301_SG_Scythian_SG
10.1    Ukraine_MJ14_West_Scythian_R1a_Z645

Code:

Distance: 1.6545% / 1.65448286
Target: ZmeyGorynych | ADC: 0.25x RC
40.1    Hungary_AV1_Avar_1361_ybp
28.4    Ukraine_Budjak_MJ12_Thraco_Cimmerian
16.4    Kazakhstan_Scythian_Pazyryk_IA_Be11
10.7    Ukraine_MJ14_West_Scythian_R1a_Z645
 4.4    Italy_R128_Lazio_Frosinone_Roman_Imperial

Code:

Distance: 1.1928% / 1.19282218
Target: superjelly40 | ADC: 0.25x RC
25.2    Czechia_I4137_Early_Slav_dup.I4137.SG_1235_ybp
17.4    Bulgaria_I2165_EBA_4908_ybp
15.9    Ukraine_MJ16_West_Scythian_J2a
14.2    Hungary_I4131_Bell_Beaker_EBA_4289_ybp
11.8    Bulgaria_I1113_MP_N_7983_ybp
11.7    Hungary_AV1_Avar_1361_ybp
 3.8    Russia_Siberia_Scythian_Aldy-Bel_IA_A17

**superjelly40** · 12-16-2020, 05:57 PM

Originally Posted by Ion Basescul

I have another result from Ialoveni district. This person was previously labelled from Chisinau, where he is from, but I got in touch and both parents were born in the village of Costesti in Ialoveni.

N_Atlantic	Baltic	West_Med	West_Asian	East_Med	Red_Sea	South_Asian	East_Asian	Siberian	Amerindian	Oceanian	NE_African	Sub-Saharan
26.90	26.30	15.40	9.64	13.58	4.18	0.45	1.13	0.97	0.36	1.07	0	0

Compared to others from Ialoveni

N_Atlantic	Baltic	West_Med	West_Asian	East_Med	Red_Sea	South_Asian	East_Asian	Siberian	Amerindian	Oceanian	NE_African	Sub-Saharan
20.89	32.32	13.89	10.56	15.52	3.55	0	1.31	1.19	0	0.49	0	0.27
21.72	31.59	14.86	9.72	16.73	0.94	2.66	0	0	0.82	0.8	0	0.15
24.49	30.58	15.28	10.52	13.60	0.25	1.34	0.91	1.36	0.44	0.29	0	0.96
25.90	28.78	18.11	10.36	9.02	2.97	1.81	0	1.34	0.67	0	1.04	0

K13 updated

Distance to:	Ialoveni_ind
6.22421079	Moldova_Centre
6.31411118	Moldova_average
7.81831184	Moldova_South
9.23477666	Moldova_North
10.33842348	Moldova_Bulgarian
11.97528288	Moldova_South_Gagauzia
13.61058779	Ukrainian_Ivano_Frankivsk
18.33901579	Ukrainian_Lviv
18.43107430	Moldova_Ukrainian
20.06644463	Ukrainian
25.60454452	Russian_Smolensk
26.31358964	Crimean_Tatar
28.36498546	Romania_Dobruja-Tatar
30.61110419	Moldova_Jewish
33.00260946	Russian_Pinega
34.03793472	Moldova_Roma

+Romania

Distance to:	Ialoveni_ind
4.45332930	Romania_Transilvania_Szekely
4.77410725	Romania_Transilvania_Hungarian
4.80035415	Romania_Maramures
4.84909270	Romania_Moldova_Csango
4.92512944	Romania_Crisana
5.09849978	Romania_Moldova_Sud
5.40303618	Romania_Transilvania
5.59581093	Romania_Moldova_Nord
6.22421079	Moldova_Centre
6.31411118	Moldova_average
6.39452109	Romania_average
6.72671539	Romania_Oltenia
6.87792847	Romania_Banat
7.77464469	Romania_Dobrogea
7.81831184	Moldova_South
8.24916359	Romania_Muntenia
9.23477666	Moldova_North
10.33842348	Moldova_Bulgarian
11.66916021	Romania_Transilvania_Saxon
11.97528288	Moldova_South_Gagauzia
13.03883047	Romania_Ukrainian
13.61058779	Ukrainian_Ivano_Frankivsk
18.33901579	Ukrainian_Lviv
18.43107430	Moldova_Ukrainian
20.06644463	Ukrainian

Distance: 5.6941% / 5.69412376
Target: Ialoveni_ind | ADC: 0.25x RC
76.5 Moldova_South
23.5 Ukrainian_Lviv

Wow no way, all my grandparents are from that exact village.

**~~Ion Basescul~~** · 12-16-2020, 11:55 PM

Originally Posted by superjelly40

Wow no way, all my grandparents are from that exact village.

You are really close genetically from the looks of it. The main difference is that he gets more East Med, whereas you get more West Med. By the way, I suggest using the "one-to-many" option on GEDmatch. You might be related to some of them, given that you have roots in the same or nearby locations.

**~~Ion Basescul~~** · 12-17-2020, 01:26 AM

I have received two kits today. First one is a very close DNA relative to the two Moldovan Romas from Calarasi at 110 cM. They must share a great-grandparent according to this relation. The individual comes from Nisporeni, which is next to Calarasi.
The second one is a match with my dad on MyHeritage. He is mostly from the town of Falesti, but with one grandparent from Rotunda, Edinet.

**~~Ion Basescul~~** · 12-17-2020, 01:36 AM

Originally Posted by Ion Basescul

I have received two kits today. First one is a very close DNA relative to the two Moldovan Romas from Calarasi at 110 cM. They must share a great-grandparent according to this relation. The individual comes from Nisporeni, which is next to Calarasi.

So this person is 3/4 Moldovan/Romanian (Ukrainian surname though) and 1/4 Roma.

N_Atlantic	Baltic	West_Med	West_Asian	East_Med	Red_Sea	South_Asian	East_Asian	Siberian	Amerindian	Oceanian	NE_African	Sub-Saharan
23.49	24.40	12.37	14.79	14.91	0.89	7.38	0	0.45	0.08	0.70	0.55	0

Compared to others from Nisporeni

N_Atlantic	Baltic	West_Med	West_Asian	East_Med	Red_Sea	South_Asian	East_Asian	Siberian	Amerindian	Oceanian	NE_African	Sub-Saharan
25.81	29.74	13.91	8.57	16.77	1.27	1.19	0.95	0.49	0.65	0.39	0	0.25

Compared to 1/4 Romas from Romania (Moldavia)

N_Atlantic	Baltic	West_Med	West_Asian	East_Med	Red_Sea	South_Asian	East_Asian	Siberian	Amerindian	Oceanian	NE_African	Sub-Saharan
21.37	26.35	16.45	10.62	14.45	2.01	6.21	0.08	0.61	1.61	0.24	0	0
21.11	23.39	15.82	9.89	19.74	0.46	6.38	1.82	0	0	0	0.50	0.88

Compared to 1/4 Romas from Romania (Transylvania)

N_Atlantic	Baltic	West_Med	West_Asian	East_Med	Red_Sea	South_Asian	East_Asian	Siberian	Amerindian	Oceanian	NE_African	Sub-Saharan
28.93	22.95	16.48	8.26	18.21	0	5.05	0	0.07	0	0	0.06	0
18.19	21.53	21.75	11.09	12.85	4.53	5.60	1.74	0.78	1.08	0.85	0	0
24.61	24.85	14.65	7.44	17.47	1.07	5.22	0	1.24	1.53	1.8	0	0.11
25.22	26.76	12.3	8.24	16.72	2.55	6.04	0.79	0.76	0	0.49	0.15	0

Compared to 1/4 Romas from Romania (Wallachia)

N_Atlantic	Baltic	West_Med	West_Asian	East_Med	Red_Sea	South_Asian	East_Asian	Siberian	Amerindian	Oceanian	NE_African	Sub-Saharan
20.93	19.56	16.69	12.50	19.92	0	7.18	0.38	0.97	0.69	1.18	0	0
21.11	23.39	15.82	9.89	19.74	0.46	6.38	1.82	0	0	0	0.50	0.88
29.28	21.27	14.73	11.29	14.10	1.28	6.17	1.30	0	0.36	0	0	0.21
23.43	21.88	17.13	12.11	14.38	1.85	7.25	0.80	0.25	0.40	0.32	0	0.20
21.38	22.95	14.20	10.70	17.85	1.72	7.21	1.14	0.92	0.12	1.10	0	0.72
18.37	22.88	16.36	14.05	20.80	0.57	4.22	0.89	0.77	0	1.10	0	0
20.21	20.07	18.69	15.80	14.96	0.63	6.24	0.97	0.51	1.42	0.46	0	0
20.65	17.70	17.56	11.00	20.91	0.66	7.70	0.97	1.94	0	0.26	0.26	0.37
24.61	24.85	14.65	7.44	17.47	1.07	5.22	0	1.24	1.53	1.80	0	0.11
25.22	26.76	12.30	8.24	16.72	2.55	6.04	0.79	0.76	0	0.49	0.15	0

They are all very diverse mixes, but the individual fits within this 1/4 Roma variety.

K13 updated

Distance to:	Nisporeni_ind
10.36987464	Moldova_Centre
10.71415419	Moldova_South
10.72022854	Moldova_average
10.99118283	Moldova_Bulgarian
11.37389555	Moldova_South_Gagauzia
13.75574789	Moldova_North
18.67163089	Ukrainian_Ivano_Frankivsk
22.55955673	Moldova_Ukrainian
22.62968846	Ukrainian_Lviv
23.80665243	Crimean_Tatar
24.26897402	Ukrainian
25.73258440	Moldova_Roma
27.91503000	Romania_Dobruja-Tatar
29.23819420	Russian_Smolensk
29.35923024	Moldova_Jewish
35.99883792	Russian_Pinega

+Regional 1/4 Roma averages

Distance to:	Nisporeni_ind
5.89392908	Romania_Transylvania_1/4Roma
6.66190663	Romania_Wallachia_1/4Roma
6.94097976	Romania_Moldavia_1/4Roma
10.36987464	Moldova_Centre
10.71415419	Moldova_South
10.72022854	Moldova_average
10.99118283	Moldova_Bulgarian
11.37389555	Moldova_South_Gagauzia
13.75574789	Moldova_North
18.67163089	Ukrainian_Ivano_Frankivsk
22.55955673	Moldova_Ukrainian
22.62968846	Ukrainian_Lviv
23.80665243	Crimean_Tatar
24.26897402	Ukrainian
25.73258440	Moldova_Roma
27.91503000	Romania_Dobruja-Tatar
29.23819420	Russian_Smolensk
29.35923024	Moldova_Jewish
35.99883792	Russian_Pinega

Distance: 4.9031% / 4.90308168
Target: Nisporeni_ind | ADC: 0.25x RC
41.4 Moldova_Bulgarian
32.5 Ukrainian_Lviv
26.1 Moldova_Roma

-Bulgarian
Distance: 5.5026% / 5.50256013
Target: Nisporeni_ind | ADC: 0.25x RC
74.1 Moldova_Centre
25.9 Moldova_Roma
0.0 Crimean_Tatar
0.0 Moldova_average
0.0 Moldova_Jewish
0.0 Moldova_North
0.0 Moldova_South
0.0 Moldova_South_Gagauzia
0.0 Moldova_Ukrainian
0.0 Romania_Dobruja-Tatar
0.0 Russian_Pinega
0.0 Russian_Smolensk
0.0 Ukrainian
0.0 Ukrainian_Ivano_Frankivsk
0.0 Ukrainian_Lviv

**~~Ion Basescul~~** · 12-17-2020, 01:45 AM

Originally Posted by Ion Basescul

The second one is a match with my dad on MyHeritage. He is mostly from the town of Falesti, but with one grandparent from Rotunda, Edinet.

3/4 Falesti (town), 1/4 Edinet (Rotunda)

N_Atlantic	Baltic	West_Med	West_Asian	East_Med	Red_Sea	South_Asian	East_Asian	Siberian	Amerindian	Oceanian	NE_African	Sub-Saharan
25.36	29.58	14.13	9.39	15.86	2.33	0	2.32	0.90	0	0	0.14	0

Compared to others from Falesti

N_Atlantic	Baltic	West_Med	West_Asian	East_Med	Red_Sea	South_Asian	East_Asian	Siberian	Amerindian	Oceanian	NE_African	Sub-Saharan
24.90	34.32	14.54	5.42	14.28	2.29	1.58	0	2.07	0	0.34	0	0.25
26.22	34.90	12.85	10.54	10.96	1.08	0.09	1.83	0	0.52	0.41	0	0.59

K13 updated

Distance to:	Falesti_ind
3.58916425	Moldova_Centre
3.79540512	Moldova_average
6.63930719	Moldova_North
7.56040343	Moldova_South
11.15343893	Ukrainian_Ivano_Frankivsk
11.90066805	Moldova_South_Gagauzia
12.35994741	Moldova_Bulgarian
16.11275271	Moldova_Ukrainian
16.82647913	Ukrainian_Lviv
18.13884506	Ukrainian
23.63185985	Russian_Smolensk
26.38074108	Crimean_Tatar
28.00697235	Romania_Dobruja-Tatar
30.83383855	Moldova_Jewish
31.00648208	Russian_Pinega
35.08341061	Moldova_Roma

Distance: 3.2649% / 3.26487178
Target: Falesti_ind | ADC: 0.25x RC
69.2 Moldova_Centre
21.8 Ukrainian_Ivano_Frankivsk
9.0 Moldova_Jewish

-Ukrainian_Ivano-Frankivsk
Distance: 3.1707% / 3.17070266
Target: Falesti_ind | ADC: 0.25x RC
63.2 Moldova_Centre
23.4 Moldova_Ukrainian
13.4 Moldova_Jewish

-Jewish
Distance: 3.5325% / 3.53252772
Target: Falesti_ind | ADC: 0.25x RC
94.9 Moldova_Centre
5.1 Moldova_Bulgarian

-Bulgarian
Distance: 3.5683% / 3.56825494
Target: Falesti_ind | ADC: 0.25x RC
94.5 Moldova_Centre
5.5 Moldova_South
0.0 Crimean_Tatar
0.0 Moldova_average
0.0 Moldova_North
0.0 Moldova_Roma
0.0 Moldova_South_Gagauzia
0.0 Moldova_Ukrainian
0.0 Romania_Dobruja-Tatar
0.0 Russian_Pinega
0.0 Russian_Smolensk
0.0 Ukrainian
0.0 Ukrainian_Lviv

**~~Ion Basescul~~** · 12-26-2020, 10:20 PM

Guys, do Csangos have Romanian surnames?

**~~Ion Basescul~~** · 12-27-2020, 03:23 PM

11 new Csangos

These are those that I had before (posted by andre and Dunai):

N_Atlantic	Baltic	West_Med	West_Asian	East_Med	Red_Sea	South_Asian	East_Asian	Siberian	Amerindian	Oceanian	NE_African	Sub-Saharan	Mong.
27.88	29.54	14.62	8.53	10.50	0.99	3.04	0	2.96	0.42	1.34	0.17	0	3.38
26.96	29.64	13.81	7.10	10.90	3.80	0.80	1.40	3.06	1.43	0.38	0.72	0	5.89
24.80	29.69	15.01	4.95	17.36	2.11	1.29	1.52	1.14	1.49	1.34	0.17	0	4.15
26.45	29.53	12.87	9.46	13.01	1.33	2.15	1.44	3.26	0	0	0.10	0.41	4.70
29.17	26.08	15.65	8.38	14.21	2.01	0.00	0.98	2.84	0.20	0.48	0	0	4.02
25.48	30.36	14.85	6.50	16.45	2.02	1.10	0	1.77	0.35	0	0	1.03	2.12
27.31	31.86	15.19	6.32	12.79	1.22	1.76	0	1.60	1.41	0.54	0	0	3.01
22.56	27.12	17.27	10.76	16.56	1.82	2.30	0	0.91	0	0.71	0	0	0.91
30.53	30.04	16.00	7.12	7.63	1.12	0.08	4.67	0.40	2.40	0	0	0	7.47
30.43	28.99	16.32	8.42	9.31	0.45	0	3.02	3.06	0	0	0	0	6.08
28.07	30.12	16.06	7.70	9.12	0.84	2.48	2.93	1.70	0.99	0	0	0	5.62

And these are the new 11 I've confirmed myself:

N_Atlantic	Baltic	West_Med	West_Asian	East_Med	Red_Sea	South_Asian	East_Asian	Siberian	Amerindian	Oceanian	NE_African	Sub-Saharan	Mong.
26.32	30.26	13.30	5.96	15.85	1.21	2.64	0.14	2.89	0.79	0.12	0	0.52	3.82
27.17	28.96	15.51	9.12	10.16	0.92	0	1.71	3.99	1.59	0.52	0	0.35	7.29
29.48	28.70	14.86	10.96	8.93	0.82	0	1.39	2.63	0.88	0.84	0.45	0.07	4.90
25.78	30.39	18.39	9.96	8.84	1.99	0.40	0	3.35	0	0.58	0.31	0	3.35
26.99	29.84	17.59	11.27	7.93	1.00	0	0	3.31	0	1.12	0.94	0	3.31
26.99	31.26	15.96	7.95	9.47	1.73	2.50	0.45	1.88	1.81	0	0	0	4.14
28.58	31.10	14.68	5.15	11.26	4.58	0	0.49	2.66	1.34	0	0	0.15	4.49
34.11	26.31	15.23	11.25	2.53	2.53	0	1.80	3.81	1.32	0.60	0	0.49	6.93
30.74	27.38	16.33	10.14	8.63	1.45	0	1.51	3.17	0.16	0.46	0	0	4.84
29.03	27.46	15.13	11.51	10.92	0.97	0	0	3.09	0.00	1.88	0	0	3.09
23.05	31.75	14.40	12.35	10.93	2.17	0	1.08	2.53	0.59	0.44	0.70	0	4.20

There are 4 more that I am waiting to verify.

**~~Dunai~~** · 12-27-2020, 03:39 PM

Originally Posted by Ion Basescul

And these are the new 11 I've confirmed myself:

N_Atlantic	Baltic	West_Med	West_Asian	East_Med	Red_Sea	South_Asian	East_Asian	Siberian	Amerindian	Oceanian	NE_African	Sub-Saharan	Mong.
26.32	30.26	13.30	5.96	15.85	1.21	2.64	0.14	2.89	0.79	0.12	0	0.52	3.82
27.17	28.96	15.51	9.12	10.16	0.92	0	1.71	3.99	1.59	0.52	0	0.35	7.29
29.48	28.70	14.86	10.96	8.93	0.82	0	1.39	2.63	0.88	0.84	0.45	0.07	4.90
25.78	30.39	18.39	9.96	8.84	1.99	0.40	0	3.35	0	0.58	0.31	0	3.35
26.99	29.84	17.59	11.27	7.93	1.00	0	0	3.31	0	1.12	0.94	0	3.31
26.99	31.26	15.96	7.95	9.47	1.73	2.50	0.45	1.88	1.81	0	0	0	4.14
28.58	31.10	14.68	5.15	11.26	4.58	0	0.49	2.66	1.34	0	0	0.15	4.49
34.11	26.31	15.23	11.25	2.53	2.53	0	1.80	3.81	1.32	0.60	0	0.49	6.93
30.74	27.38	16.33	10.14	8.63	1.45	0	1.51	3.17	0.16	0.46	0	0	4.84
29.03	27.46	15.13	11.51	10.92	0.97	0	0	3.09	0.00	1.88	0	0	3.09
23.05	31.75	14.40	12.35	10.93	2.17	0	1.08	2.53	0.59	0.44	0.70	0	4.20

There are 4 more that I am waiting to verify.

I believe you can take over now in making the Csángó average, these are already some unexpectedly numerous samples for such a small population. Like 5-6 of them could easily even pass as pure Hungarians, also I am wondering how could one of them have 34.11 North Atlantic, that seems kinda surreal for someone in that region?

**~~Dunai~~** · 12-27-2020, 03:49 PM

Originally Posted by Ion Basescul

Guys, do Csangos have Romanian surnames?

Most Csángós today are assimilated into Moldavians culturally, but you can still pick them out from them by looking if they are of Roman-Catholic religion and have Hungarian-like names, even if written in Romanian. Also if they lean much more towards Székelys and Transylvanian Hungarians genetically, it's a solid sign that probably their parents, grandparents are Csángós.