Dodecad k12b West, Central & South Asian results Vol. 3

[Leto]

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Is the unspecified Azerbaijani average only Republican? How many samples?

[Sterling Archer]

Is the unspecified Azerbaijani average only Republican? How many samples?

Yes, anything except Azerbaijani_Iran is from the Republic. I don't know about the sample size though.

[Sterling Archer]

Results of an Azeri from the republic. If I am not mistaken (don't remember exact details), mix between Iranian Azeri and northern part of the republic.
Taken from Azerbaijan Turki DNA project.

[Leto]

Results of an Azeri from the republic. If I am not mistaken (don't remember exact details), mix between Iranian Azeri and northern part of the republic.
Taken from Azerbaijan Turki DNA project.

User Kyp monitors that project and typically he would repost everything here that is of interest. I think that sample has been here before.

[Sterling Archer]

Thread is too long, didn't have time to check everything out )
If Kyp confirms that this has been posted, I can delete the post.

[Kyp]

Thread is too long, didn't have time to check everything out )
If Kyp confirms that this has been posted, I can delete the post.

I don't remember

[Sterling Archer]

I don't remember

Then it stays

[Sterling Archer]

Double

[Demhat]

Made new averages for Persians that are not represented by the current averages, not saying they should be used but I still can show them here:

Interesting even the most Southeastern Persian samples (from Yazd and Kerman) have not much difference to the overall average. The same goes for Khorasan.

New improved Mazandaran average (should replace old average):

Gedrosian: 33.07
Siberian: 0.48
Northwest_African: 0.25
Southeast_Asian: 0.26
Atlantic_Med: 2.86
North_European: 5.68
South_Asian: 5.27
East_African: 0.32
Southwest_Asian: 10.96
East_Asian: 0.26
Caucasian: 40.38
Sub_Saharan: 0.19

Distance to:	Iran_Mazandaran2
5.80141362	Iranian
7.75125151	Lur_Iran
8.37274149	Kurd_KAZ
9.02773504	Talysh_Azerbaijan
9.20149988	Iranian_Fars
9.55405673	Iran_C_East
9.98348136	Yazidi
11.23298268	Kurd_Iran
11.38994293	Kurd_Sorani
11.51538536	Kurd_Kurmanji
11.65305968	Iran_Khorasan
11.79963983	Zaza
13.38943987	Azerbaijani_Iran
15.00246646	Azerbaijani_Dagestan
15.12987773	Azerbaijani
15.32309368	Azerbaijani_Turkey
15.53476102	Udi_Azerbaijan
16.34656233	Parsi_India
17.29798543	Iran_Bandari
18.33634915	Turk_Southeast
18.41191191	Tsakhur_Azerbaijan
18.41790705	Turk_East
18.88137972	Iraqi_Baghdad
19.02821064	Lezgin

Distance: 3.1540% / 3.15402515
Target: Iran_Mazandaran2
40.6	Balochi
23.8	Georgian_Turkey
23.5	Kurd_KAZ
12.1	Georgian_Svan

Again Mazandaran is very odd and interesting. In a way that it has some of the lowest SW Asian, NE and the lowest Atl_Med score. While at the same time the highest Caucasus and Gedrosia averages. Almost like Mazandaran is a Iran_CHL refugium.

Kurds from Iran:

Gedrosian: 24.60
Siberian: 0.94
Northwest_African: 0.69
Southeast_Asian: 0.50
Atlantic_Med: 8.08
North_European: 7.84
South_Asian: 2.68
East_African: 0.40
Southwest_Asian: 14.56
East_Asian: 0.80
Caucasian: 38.94
Sub_Saharan: 0.04

Distance to:	Kurd_Iran
1.65208959	Kurd_Kurmanji
2.40964728	Yazidi
2.75243529	Kurd_Sorani
3.44899986	Zaza
4.45614183	Azerbaijani_Iran
4.45734226	Talysh_Azerbaijan
5.31698223	Iran_Central
5.42853571	Lur_Iran
5.64417399	Kurd_KAZ
5.78879089	Azerbaijani
6.04573403	Iranian
6.63254853	Azerbaijani_Turkey
6.89876076	Iranian_Fars
8.03219771	Turk_Southeast
8.64363928	Udi_Azerbaijan
9.72097732	Iraqi_Baghdad
9.83524784	Iran_C_East
10.22813766	Turk_East
10.63411021	Iran_Khorasan
11.23298268	Iran_Mazandaran
11.33238280	Turk_Central_East
11.73445781	Mandean
11.79381618	Azerbaijani_Dagestan
12.32558315	Turk_South
12.36706918	Azeri_Jew

Distance: 1.3647% / 1.36469372
Target: Kurd_Iran | ADC: 1x RC
72.0	Kurd_Kurmanji
28.0	Kurd_Sorani

No surprise there that the top 4 closest pops for Iran_Kurd are basically Kurdish groups (Kurmanj, Soran, Zaza, Yezidi)

Sidenote why are Kurmanj, Soran labeled as Kurd but the same is not done with the Zaza and Yezidi (who speak Kurmanj)? Who made that decision?

[Javid]

Here are the averages for Azerbaijanis as well as for the other Turkic people taken from Turkish / Azerbaijan-Turkic DNA projects.
As we can see here, the Republic Azeris are very heterogeneous bunch, and quite often closer to the Caucasus people rather than Iranian Azeris. Comparatively speaking the number of tests from the northern part of the Republic is low, so I expect this difference will be even more accentuated as the number of tests increase.

Azerbaijani_Dagestan and Azerbaijani_Qakh are clear standouts when it comes to NE components. It is probably true that almost all of the northern regions of the Republic, such as Quba, Qusar, Khachmaz, Ismayilli, Shaki etc., belong to these groups, which is a huge number. They also do not cluster with Iranian Azerbaijanis.
Another standout is Azerbaijani_North_West which has a very high east Asian component. They cluster closer to Turks from eastern parts of Turkey.

Another moment to point out is that there are close to 100,000 Meskheti Turks in the republic. I expect assimilation of those will also change the composition in the long-run.

Attachment 105057

We can barely see any difference between Azerbaijani_Iran and Azerbijanu Republic averages but you are saying that Republic Azerbaijanis are much closer to Caucasian people rather than Iranian Azerbaijanis.

Additionally most of the regions you mentioned here (except Shaki) are populated by other ethnic groups, not Azerbaijanis: Lezgins — in Qusar, Quba and Khachmaz; Avars, Tsakhurs, Ingilois and many others — in Balakan, Zagatala and Gakh; Malakans (Slavic) — in Ismailli. That's the reason why there's very few tests from that region.

I don't know if you know about the history of Azerbaijan but I have to say that turkic people of Azerbaijan Republic mostly came from either from Iranian Azerbaijan or Anatolia (North West region mainly). So I think it's impossible to say that Azerbaijanis in Republic is closer to Caucasian people rather than Iranian Azerbaijanis.