Dodecad k12b West, Central & South Asian results Vol. 3

[Leto]

Let Kyp answer for himself. That still doesn't change there ethnic origin does it? They are genetically, culturally, linguistically clearly Kurds. Amish people also don't mix or marry outside of their community that still doesn't make them anything else but White Americans. Your argument is invalid.

The Amish are not just white, they are pretty much entirely German or Swiss German. But they are their own group now, after several centuries. I oversee the spreadsheet by the way. Without me a lot of references wouldn't be on the list.

Are the Druze just Arabs? I don't think so.

[Kyp]

^agree with Leto on this one.

[Demhat]

Actually I mostly go with western academic classifcations. "Azerbaijani" is a recognized ethnicity nowadays. Everything else is political (to me personally). So I urge you to stick to estbalished academic facts to remain the universal character of the list. For example origin of Zazas is not 100% established as Kurdish, I would stick to "Zaza" in this case.
If I would ask my grandmother what ethnicity she is, she would answer "Turk" like 95% of old Azerbaijani people. Now this doesn't mean she doesn't consider herself Iranian too, have you understand?

Yes the same Lucas. You can post your demands in this thread (like other members, not only me) or PM him

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...ahaduo-ON-LINE

Don't start with this bullshit in the typical Pan Turanist manner.

Just few posts ago you used self definition as argument for not naming the Yezidi and Zaza branch as Kurdish, when I pointed out that probably the majority of Azeris call themselves simply Persians you did mental gymanistics and now run back to "academic classifications"?

No Azeris in Iran are not considered or called Azerbaijanis by the general science. They are simply called Azeris. Azerbaijani refers to people from the Azerbaijani country. Stop flip flopping with arguments.

I do not agree with Zoro you guys are not clowns. You are the entire Circus. I had my suspicion about you since the very first days but tried to stay friendly. But fact of the matter is you guys are like mental spastics.

And you even once unintentionally revealed yourself to me as not being what you claim to be. You are either from Turkey or have lived for a long time there.

I don't know what the Hell is wrong with Leto but the way how he runs to your rescue and generally seems to have a fettish for Turkish or Turkic things makes me wonder if he and you are in some kind of romantic relation. But I am not going to sit here and watch how two weirdos keep on falsifying data about Kurds and ignore advanced science from the likes of Zoro because apparently they have no clue how it works.

Now stick your friendly character up somewhere else and show your real face.

[Demhat]

The Amish are not just white, they are pretty much entirely German or Swiss German. But they are their own group now, after several centuries. I oversee the spreadsheet by the way. Without me a lot of references wouldn't be on the list.

Are the Druze just Arabs? I don't think so.

They are still considered US Americans though. The point is valid. Being endogamous does not make you a different ethnicity.

Also my point stays calling Azeris from Iran Azerbaijanis is even more inaccurate but it doesn't seem to bother you as much as Kurdish sub branches being labeled as Kurd.

Are you even a Russian or why the hell are you being such a cuck to Turkic theories?

I am not going to waste my time further with your shit either.

I don't know what the hell is wrong with you or why

[Kyp]

Don't start with this bullshit in the typical Pan Turanist manner.

Just few posts ago you used self definition as argument for not naming the Yezidi and Zaza branch as Kurdish, when I pointed out that probably the majority of Azeris call themselves simply Persians you did mental gymanistics and now run back to "academic classifications"?

No Azeris in Iran are not considered or called Azerbaijanis by the general science. They are simply called Azeris. Azerbaijani refers to people from the Azerbaijani country. Stop flip flopping with arguments.

I do not agree with Zoro you guys are not clowns. You are the entire Circus. I had my suspicion about you since the very first days but tried to stay friendly. But fact of the matter is you guys are like mental spastics.

And you even once unintentionally revealed yourself to me as not being what you claim to be. You are either from Turkey or have lived for a long time there.

I don't know what the Hell is wrong with Leto but the way how he runs to your rescue and generally seems to have a fettish for Turkish or Turkic things makes me wonder if he and you are in some kind of romantic relation. But I am not going to sit here and watch how two weirdos keep on falsifying data about Kurds and ignore advanced science from the likes of Zoro because apparently they have no clue how it works.

Now stick your friendly character up somewhere else and show your real face.

We're in a Western forum. We stick to classifications established by western academics. If you don't like it create your own Kurdish based calculator/website. You clearly lack knowledge about Azerbaijanis in the first place (wait for Iranian members agreeing with me rather than with you.) What you don't seem to grasp that being "tork" (referring to the language you speak) doesn't neglect the fact of being Iranian. This simple concept you don't understand apparantely.

And no, turkish speaking Azerbaijanis never were referred to as "Azeri" in Iranian academics/history too. These facts don't make me Pan-Turkist. The only Pan-something in this thread is you my friend.

[Demhat]

Stop acting like you know shit Kyp. You ignore Western classifications if they are against your ideas and ideology and if they fit your taste then certanly they are the reference?

Just stfu and reveal yourself and your true intention. I am sick of your passive-aggressive bullshit and your false act of kindness.

[Leto]

Are you even a Russian or why the hell are you being such a cuck to Turkic theories?

I am not going to waste my time further with your shit either.

I don't know what the hell is wrong with you or why

Turkic cuck? What the fuck are you talking about? Yes, I'm Russian and in Russia the Azerbaijanis are 100% a separate ethnic group. At least for the last 100 years, I know that before Stalin they were called Türk. The Russians in the 19th century referred to them as "Transcaucasian Tatars".

[Demhat]

Turkic cuck? What the fuck are you talking about? Yes, I'm Russian and in Russia the Azerbaijanis are 100% a separate ethnic group. At least for the last 100 years, I know that before Stalin they weree called Türk. The Russians in the 19th century referred to them as "Transcaucasian Tatars".

What they were called before is of no relevance if the argument is that few certain circles among the Zaza and Yezidi consider themselves as seperate thing. When a majority of modern Azeris (not Azerbaijanis) in Iran would call themselves Persian. You can't have it both ways. Either one or the other. Using different standards is not scientific.

And if you agree or support that shit than you are not just a traitor to what you claim to be (IE) but also act like a cuck. So make up your mind. I am sick of ignoring this nonsense and I am not going to close my eyes to it.

[Leto]

What they were called before is of no relevance if the argument is that few certain circles among the Zaza and Yezidi consider themselves as seperate thing. When a majority of modern Azeris (not Azerbaijanis) in Iran would call themselves Persian. You can't have it both ways. Either one or the other. Using different standards is not scientific.

And if you agree or support that shit than you are not just a traitor to what you claim to be (IE) but also act like a cuck. So make up your mind. I am sick of ignoring this nonsense and I am not going to close my eyes to it.

Listen, I have no strong opinion on the Zaza or Yazidis, so I don't really care what they are called in the spreadsheet. I don't think Azerbaijanis in Iran call themselves Persian. I studied a bit of Persian in the past and as far as I know the main civic nationalist identity over there is irani, not farsi. Southern Azerbaijan is part of the modern IR of Iran, so calling them Azerbaijani wouldn't be wrong IMO.
What does my being IE have to do with that? How about you leave this thread instead of ruining it? First Zoro, now you.

[Kyp]

@Demhat referring to yourself as Persian is just what you would do outside of Iran. Not even Persian-speakers refer to themselves as Persian in their own language. The binding identity is Iranian not Persian. Claiming Azerbaijanis identify as Persian is outright ridiculous. Now it doesn't mean that they don't identify as Iranian.

Have you ever heard the term "Man farsi'am"?

But this is what you as a Pan-Kurd wouldn't understand.