Moldovan/Romanian GEDmatch Results v2

**~~Ion Basescul~~** · 01-09-2021, 08:34 PM

From Bacau (lots of East Asian/Siberian/Amerind. admixture, but she isn't Csango/Roman-Catholic. Also confirmed the lack of shared Csango founder effect myself by checking her matches.)

N_Atlantic	Baltic	West_Med	West_Asian	East_Med	Red_Sea	South_Asian	East_Asian	Siberian	Amerindian	Oceanian	NE_African	Sub-Saharan
24.82	25.71	16.34	11.11	14.35	0.58	0.28	0	4.87	0.86	0.23	0.28	0.57

Compared to others from Bacau

N_Atlantic	Baltic	West_Med	West_Asian	East_Med	Red_Sea	South_Asian	East_Asian	Siberian	Amerindian	Oceanian	NE_African	Sub-Saharan
20.27	29.07	15.56	13.35	16.72	2.23	0	0.16	0.76	0.72	1.14	0	0
25.87	26.84	16.97	10.82	15.72	1.10	0.45	0.17	0.89	0	0.85	0	0.32
22.55	24.80	21.31	8.66	17.58	1.89	0	0	0.34	1.46	1.29	0.10	0
20.62	26.86	20.13	11.88	14.52	1.60	0.89	0	0.98	1.42	1.11	0	0
21.74	29.09	17.75	6.85	19.55	3.31	0	0.17	1.17	0.36	0	0	0
22.08	27.48	18.09	4.49	22.76	1.90	0.19	2.09	0.46	0	0.19	0.28	0
27.65	28.32	15.21	12.81	7.97	2.20	2.90	0	0.30	1.48	0	0	1.15
20.68	27.83	15.95	11.59	17.86	2.79	0	0.93	0	1.93	0.45	0	0
24.74	24.26	16.57	10.63	17.44	2.73	1.35	1.46	0	0.60	0.21	0	0
24.37	27.43	14.81	10.05	14.49	3.20	2.96	0.37	0.96	0.79	0.51	0	0.06
24.24	27.89	14.20	9.72	16.82	3.08	0	1.03	1.49	0.28	0.76	0	0.48
23.04	29.67	14.32	8.00	19.96	3.18	0	0.19	1.18	0	0.29	0	0.17
20.76	27.29	21.65	10.28	16.69	0.23	0	1.47	0.13	0.62	0.86	0	0

Distance to:	Bacau_ind
5.14002918	Romania_Moldavia_South
5.14105048	Romania_Transylvania
5.19036608	Romania_Crisana
5.48986339	Romania_average
5.84294446	Montenegrin
5.86160388	Romania_Maramures
5.87369560	Romania_Banat
6.10040163	Romania_Oltenia
6.18854587	Serb
6.23611257	Székely
6.39366874	Serb_central
6.41315055	Romania_Moldavia_North
6.47079593	Moldova_average
6.52682158	Moldova_Centre
6.63006033	Serb_south
6.64151338	Romania_Dobruja
6.68394345	Romania_Wallachia
6.71359069	Bosniak_Sandzak
6.82904093	Moldova_South
6.90323113	Csángó
6.90827764	Bulgaria_Southwestern
6.95460279	Hungarian_Transylvania
7.03730062	Serb_north
7.04720512	Romania_Muntenia
7.32079914	Bulgaria_Northwestern

Distance to:	Bacau_ind
5.14002918	Romania_Moldova_Sud
5.14105048	Romania_Transilvania
5.19036608	Romania_Crisana
5.62722845	Romania_average
5.86160388	Romania_Maramures
5.87369560	Romania_Banat
6.10040163	Romania_Oltenia
6.27865898	Romania_Transilvania_Szekely
6.41315055	Romania_Moldova_Nord
6.64151338	Romania_Dobrogea
6.89117552	Romania_Moldova_Csango
6.95460279	Romania_Transilvania_Hungarian
7.04720512	Romania_Muntenia
8.41121275	Bulgarian
11.33912695	Aromanian_North-Macedonia
11.79429099	Aromanian_North-Macedonia-Highlander
14.29908738	Romania_Transilvania_Saxon
14.92043900	Romania_Ukrainian
15.02693914	Ukrainian_Ivano_Frankivsk
16.21154527	Aromanian_Central-Macedonia
19.98937968	Ukrainian_Lviv
23.47873506	Crimean_Tatar
25.59562463	Romania_Dobruja_Tatar
30.22246515	Romania_Jewish
32.84190920	Romania_Roma

Target: Bacau_ind
Distance: 3.0576% / 3.05764821 | ADC: 0.25x RC
48.4 Romania_Crisana
22.5 Romania_Transilvania_Szekely
15.8 Romania_Transilvania
9.5 Crimean_Tatar
3.8 Romania_Dobruja_Tatar

Distance to:	Bacau_ind
3.96986146	Romania_Moldavia_Neamt
4.29016317	Romania_Moldavia_Vaslui
4.55342728	Romania_Transylvania_Mures
4.66861864	Romania_Transylvania_Bistrita-Nasaud
5.07574625	Romania_Banat_Caras-Severin
5.22107269	Romania_Transylvania_Cluj
5.27274122	Romania_Transylvania_Alba
5.41562554	Romania_Transylvania_Sibiu
5.48774999	Romania_Transylvania_Brasov
5.49123848	Romania_Moldavia_Iasi
5.54332030	Romania_Moldavia_Bacau
5.54699919	Romania_Oltenia_Dolj
5.97003350	Romania_Transylvania_Hunedoara
6.00642156	Romania_Oltenia_Gorj
6.15671991	Romania_Maramures_SatuMare
6.21370260	Romania_Maramures_Maramures
6.23912654	Romania_Banat_Timis
6.26383269	Romania_Crisana_Bihor
6.28993641	Romania_Moldavia_Vrancea
6.36117914	Romania_Crisana_Arad
6.38249168	Romania_Moldavia_Galati
6.39830446	Romania_Oltenia_Mehedinti
6.44234429	Romania_Oltenia_Olt
6.51275671	Romania_Muntenia_Ialomita
6.60365808	Romania_Oltenia_Valcea

**Scandal** · 01-09-2021, 08:37 PM

Can my coordinates for any Romanian or Moldovan ethnicity(Ukrainian etc) other than hungarian? Is there anything similar in the thread?
Universe,28.69,39.52,11.43,3.62,13.02,2.30,0,0,0.4 8,0,0.23,0.72,0

**~~Ion Basescul~~** · 01-09-2021, 08:40 PM

Originally Posted by Universe

Can my coordinates for any Romanian or Moldovan ethnicity(Ukrainian etc) other than hungarian? Is there anything similar in the thread?
Universe,28.69,39.52,11.43,3.62,13.02,2.30,0,0,0.4 8,0,0.23,0.72,0

If you count 5% as close then there are some.

Distance to:	Universe
5.17768288	Romania_Moldavia_64_Vaslui
5.20973128	Romania_Moldavia_17_Botosani
5.81080029	Moldova_72_Chisinau
5.86913111	Romania_Moldavia_16_Botosani
5.92648294	Romania_Moldavia_32_Suceava
6.11692733	Romania_Moldavia_28_Suceava
6.19428769	Moldova_81_Chisinau
6.38043886	Romania_Moldavia_34_Suceava
6.62499057	Moldova_20_Rezina
7.03076098	Romania_Moldavia_13_Botosani
7.57784930	Moldova_2_Ocnita
7.84355787	Moldova_17_1/2Falesti_1/2Chisinau
8.18548716	Romania_Moldavia_10_Botosani
8.47708676	Moldova_73_Chisinau
8.51350692	Romania_Moldavia_24_Suceava
8.72057911	Moldova_11_Balti
8.74379208	Moldova_70_Chisinau
8.77522649	Romania_Oltenia_6_Mehedinti
8.80747410	Moldova_10_Floresti_1/4Ukrainian
8.81017593	Moldova_71_Chisinau
8.87636187	Romania_Crisana_5_Salaj
8.92084637	Moldova_48_Balti
9.09645535	Moldova_78_Chisinau
9.13070096	Romania_Maramures_1_Maramures
9.16019105	Moldova_47_Balti

**Scandal** · 01-09-2021, 08:44 PM

Originally Posted by Ion Basescul

If you count 5% as close then there are some.

Distance to:	Universe
5.17768288	Romania_Moldavia_64_Vaslui
5.20973128	Romania_Moldavia_17_Botosani
5.81080029	Moldova_72_Chisinau
5.86913111	Romania_Moldavia_16_Botosani
5.92648294	Romania_Moldavia_32_Suceava
6.11692733	Romania_Moldavia_28_Suceava
6.19428769	Moldova_81_Chisinau
6.38043886	Romania_Moldavia_34_Suceava
6.62499057	Moldova_20_Rezina
7.03076098	Romania_Moldavia_13_Botosani
7.57784930	Moldova_2_Ocnita
7.84355787	Moldova_17_1/2Falesti_1/2Chisinau
8.18548716	Romania_Moldavia_10_Botosani
8.47708676	Moldova_73_Chisinau
8.51350692	Romania_Moldavia_24_Suceava
8.72057911	Moldova_11_Balti
8.74379208	Moldova_70_Chisinau
8.77522649	Romania_Oltenia_6_Mehedinti
8.80747410	Moldova_10_Floresti_1/4Ukrainian
8.81017593	Moldova_71_Chisinau
8.87636187	Romania_Crisana_5_Salaj
8.92084637	Moldova_48_Balti
9.09645535	Moldova_78_Chisinau
9.13070096	Romania_Maramures_1_Maramures
9.16019105	Moldova_47_Balti

What is ethnicity of these people? Simply Romanian/Moldovan?

**andre** · 01-09-2021, 08:56 PM

Originally Posted by Ion Basescul

From Bacau (lots of East Asian/Siberian/Amerind. admixture, but she isn't Csango/Roman-Catholic. Also confirmed the lack of shared Csango founder effect myself by checking her matches.)

N_Atlantic	Baltic	West_Med	West_Asian	East_Med	Red_Sea	South_Asian	East_Asian	Siberian	Amerindian	Oceanian	NE_African	Sub-Saharan
24.82	25.71	16.34	11.11	14.35	0.58	0.28	0	4.87	0.86	0.23	0.28	0.57

Compared to others from Bacau

N_Atlantic	Baltic	West_Med	West_Asian	East_Med	Red_Sea	South_Asian	East_Asian	Siberian	Amerindian	Oceanian	NE_African	Sub-Saharan
20.27	29.07	15.56	13.35	16.72	2.23	0	0.16	0.76	0.72	1.14	0	0
25.87	26.84	16.97	10.82	15.72	1.10	0.45	0.17	0.89	0	0.85	0	0.32
22.55	24.80	21.31	8.66	17.58	1.89	0	0	0.34	1.46	1.29	0.10	0
20.62	26.86	20.13	11.88	14.52	1.60	0.89	0	0.98	1.42	1.11	0	0
21.74	29.09	17.75	6.85	19.55	3.31	0	0.17	1.17	0.36	0	0	0
22.08	27.48	18.09	4.49	22.76	1.90	0.19	2.09	0.46	0	0.19	0.28	0
27.65	28.32	15.21	12.81	7.97	2.20	2.90	0	0.30	1.48	0	0	1.15
20.68	27.83	15.95	11.59	17.86	2.79	0	0.93	0	1.93	0.45	0	0
24.74	24.26	16.57	10.63	17.44	2.73	1.35	1.46	0	0.60	0.21	0	0
24.37	27.43	14.81	10.05	14.49	3.20	2.96	0.37	0.96	0.79	0.51	0	0.06
24.24	27.89	14.20	9.72	16.82	3.08	0	1.03	1.49	0.28	0.76	0	0.48
23.04	29.67	14.32	8.00	19.96	3.18	0	0.19	1.18	0	0.29	0	0.17
20.76	27.29	21.65	10.28	16.69	0.23	0	1.47	0.13	0.62	0.86	0	0

Distance to:	Bacau_ind
5.14002918	Romania_Moldavia_South
5.14105048	Romania_Transylvania
5.19036608	Romania_Crisana
5.48986339	Romania_average
5.84294446	Montenegrin
5.86160388	Romania_Maramures
5.87369560	Romania_Banat
6.10040163	Romania_Oltenia
6.18854587	Serb
6.23611257	Székely
6.39366874	Serb_central
6.41315055	Romania_Moldavia_North
6.47079593	Moldova_average
6.52682158	Moldova_Centre
6.63006033	Serb_south
6.64151338	Romania_Dobruja
6.68394345	Romania_Wallachia
6.71359069	Bosniak_Sandzak
6.82904093	Moldova_South
6.90323113	Csángó
6.90827764	Bulgaria_Southwestern
6.95460279	Hungarian_Transylvania
7.03730062	Serb_north
7.04720512	Romania_Muntenia
7.32079914	Bulgaria_Northwestern

Distance to:	Bacau_ind
5.14002918	Romania_Moldova_Sud
5.14105048	Romania_Transilvania
5.19036608	Romania_Crisana
5.62722845	Romania_average
5.86160388	Romania_Maramures
5.87369560	Romania_Banat
6.10040163	Romania_Oltenia
6.27865898	Romania_Transilvania_Szekely
6.41315055	Romania_Moldova_Nord
6.64151338	Romania_Dobrogea
6.89117552	Romania_Moldova_Csango
6.95460279	Romania_Transilvania_Hungarian
7.04720512	Romania_Muntenia
8.41121275	Bulgarian
11.33912695	Aromanian_North-Macedonia
11.79429099	Aromanian_North-Macedonia-Highlander
14.29908738	Romania_Transilvania_Saxon
14.92043900	Romania_Ukrainian
15.02693914	Ukrainian_Ivano_Frankivsk
16.21154527	Aromanian_Central-Macedonia
19.98937968	Ukrainian_Lviv
23.47873506	Crimean_Tatar
25.59562463	Romania_Dobruja_Tatar
30.22246515	Romania_Jewish
32.84190920	Romania_Roma

Target: Bacau_ind
Distance: 3.0576% / 3.05764821 | ADC: 0.25x RC
48.4 Romania_Crisana
22.5 Romania_Transilvania_Szekely
15.8 Romania_Transilvania
9.5 Crimean_Tatar
3.8 Romania_Dobruja_Tatar

Distance to:	Bacau_ind
3.96986146	Romania_Moldavia_Neamt
4.29016317	Romania_Moldavia_Vaslui
4.55342728	Romania_Transylvania_Mures
4.66861864	Romania_Transylvania_Bistrita-Nasaud
5.07574625	Romania_Banat_Caras-Severin
5.22107269	Romania_Transylvania_Cluj
5.27274122	Romania_Transylvania_Alba
5.41562554	Romania_Transylvania_Sibiu
5.48774999	Romania_Transylvania_Brasov
5.49123848	Romania_Moldavia_Iasi
5.54332030	Romania_Moldavia_Bacau
5.54699919	Romania_Oltenia_Dolj
5.97003350	Romania_Transylvania_Hunedoara
6.00642156	Romania_Oltenia_Gorj
6.15671991	Romania_Maramures_SatuMare
6.21370260	Romania_Maramures_Maramures
6.23912654	Romania_Banat_Timis
6.26383269	Romania_Crisana_Bihor
6.28993641	Romania_Moldavia_Vrancea
6.36117914	Romania_Crisana_Arad
6.38249168	Romania_Moldavia_Galati
6.39830446	Romania_Oltenia_Mehedinti
6.44234429	Romania_Oltenia_Olt
6.51275671	Romania_Muntenia_Ialomita
6.60365808	Romania_Oltenia_Valcea

Maybe just low sNps coverage. Is 23andme raw data?

**~~Ion Basescul~~** · 01-09-2021, 09:03 PM

Originally Posted by andre

Maybe just low sNps coverage. Is 23andme raw data?

MyHeritage

Originally Posted by Universe

What is ethnicity of these people? Simply Romanian/Moldovan?

Yes, though very outlying/atypical compared to the average. Could easily pass genetically as culturally assimilated minorities.

**Roy** · 01-09-2021, 11:07 PM

Why Romanians & Moldovans score so much West Asian?

**~~Ion Basescul~~** · 01-09-2021, 11:36 PM

Originally Posted by Roy

Why Romanians & Moldovans score so much West Asian?

From ancient Steppe tribes probs, who are also responsible for East Asian/Siberian/Amerind. Crimean Tatars are probably similar to medieval Cumans, Pechenegs, Bulgars, etc.

Name	N_Atlantic	Baltic	West_Med	West_Asian	East_Med	Red_Sea	South_Asian	East_Asian	Siberian	Amerindian	Oceanian	NE_African	Sub-Saharan
scy009_SG_Ukraine_Scythian_SG	32.25	38.12	14.64	6.06	4.22	1.86	0	0	0	1.35	0.18	0.02	1.30
scy010_SG_Ukraine_Scythian_SG_	30.49	32.12	12.24	20.62	2.17	0	0	0	0	1.04	0	1.33	0
scy011_SG_Ukraine_Scythian_SG	25.46	21.85	5.22	32.87	0	0	1.41	0	5.80	4.73	2.66	0	0
scy192_SG_Moldova_Scythian_SG	25.17	13.29	18.61	11.78	24.56	1.68	1.91	0	0.60	0	2.40	0	0
scy193_SG_Moldova_Scythian_o1_SG	11.12	33.32	0	15.33	0	17.57	5.75	0	0	1.13	4.29	5.39	6.10
scy197_SG_Moldova_Scythian_SG	19.25	15.80	28.22	3.76	22.72	7.40	0	0	2.85	0	0	0	0
scy300_SG_Moldova_Scythian_SG	25.15	5.55	24.79	9.86	24.18	6.31	0	2.61	0	1.53	0	0	0
scy301_SG_Moldova_Scythian_SG	19.51	23.11	13.22	19.06	14.00	0	2.80	0	7.17	0.74	0.38	0	0
scy303_SG_Moldova_Scythian_o2_SG	48.47	28.96	5.57	0.67	8.90	0	3.75	0	0	1.77	1.37	0	0.55
scy304_SG_Moldova_Scythian_SG	40.23	7.82	20.61	5.99	11.80	0	1.05	3.13	0	7.45	0.95	0	0.97
scy305_SG_Moldova_Scythian_SG	34.92	7.94	20.66	19.70	11.46	1.06	2.43	0.64	0	0	0	0	1.19
scy311_SG_Moldova_Scythian_SG	32.33	19.41	7.05	13.85	11.68	5.40	0	3.86	0.35	1.81	1.79	2.47	0
scy332_SG_Moldova_Scythian_o3_SG	16.88	0	0	0	0	0	4.56	28.54	34.79	0	15.22	0	0
cim357_Moldova_Cimmerian.SG_2810_ybp	34.86	30.98	0	12.78	3.11	0.35	5.29	0	6.22	3.80	0.91	0.93	0.77
cim358_Moldova_Cimmerian.SG_2840_ybp	19.16	23.28	0	25.22	4.64	0	5.93	4.30	11.56	4.23	1.68	0	0
cim359_Moldova_Cimmerian.SG_2873_ybp	19.80	20.03	0	14.58	0	0	6.16	6.70	26.37	5.64	0	0.70	0.03
MJ12_Moldova-Romania-UkraineThraco_Kimmerian_	17.31	16.47	24.79	14.47	21.96	1.38	0	0	1.28	1.76	0.58	0	0
Crimean_Tatar	13.17	20.04	7.55	16.36	8.88	1.83	3.23	10.25	16.40	1.28	0.47	0.27	0.21

**Chris596** · 01-10-2021, 12:16 AM

Originally Posted by Roy

Why Romanians & Moldovans score so much West Asian?

I score around 10.6% West Asian, genetically I'm very similar to Romanians, at least on my father's side. But I'm not sure how the components are determined on K13 for example. Is the ,,West Asian'' component identical to like Iranians or Armenians for example? Because I doubt that 10-15% of the genetics of Romanians/Bulgarians is identical to West Asians, or...?

**Jana** · 01-10-2021, 12:21 AM

Originally Posted by Chris596

I score around 10.6% West Asian, genetically I'm very similar to Romanians, at least on my father's side. But I'm not sure how the components are determined on K13 for example. Is the ,,West Asian'' component identical to like Iranians or Armenians for example? Because I doubt that 10-15% of the genetics of Romanians/Bulgarians is identical to West Asians, or...?

Eurogenes West Asian peaks in Abkhasians, Caucasus people. Stears and me also score above 10%.