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    Quote Originally Posted by Art23 View Post
    All the samples are so far away from my Ukrainian mother, probably because of 2 grandparents born in Moldova.

    North_Atlantic 21.88 Pct
    Baltic 39.32 Pct
    West_Med 12.6 Pct
    West_Asian 8.8 Pct
    East_Med 12.61 Pct
    Red_Sea 0.88 Pct
    South_Asian 0.39 Pct
    East_Asian 0.38 Pct
    Siberian 0.99 Pct
    Amerindian 0.82 Pct
    Oceanian 1.34 Pct
    Northeast_African -
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    Yes, that's probably the case. Did they identify as Ukrainian? Those results look typical to me for a person that's half Ukrainian and half Moldovan/Romanian.
    But of course, local Ukrainians, who think that they have only Ukrainian heritage, can fall within the Moldovan/Romanian range at times if their locality culturally assimilated non-Ukrainians.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ion Basescul View Post
    Yes, that's probably the case. Did they identify as Ukrainian? Those results look typical to me for a person that's half Ukrainian and half Moldovan/Romanian.
    But of course, local Ukrainians, who think that they have only Ukrainian heritage, can fall within the Moldovan/Romanian range at times if their locality culturally assimilated non-Ukrainians.
    I am not sure that paternal grandparents of my mother identified as Ukrainian, especially grandmother as she was from Chisinau. The weird thing is that my mother and her family always spoke Ukrainian and were Ukrainians according to their documents in Soviet times, but they looked differently from the rest. My mother even remembers being called a "Gypsy". There was an assimilation, I suppose. Even the surname looks like a Romanian surname with an added Ukrainian ending which I understand only now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Art23 View Post
    I am not sure that paternal grandparents of my mother identified as Ukrainian, especially grandmother as she was from Chisinau. The weird thing is that my mother and her family always spoke Ukrainian and were Ukrainians according to their documents in Soviet times, but they looked differently from the rest. My mother even remembers being called a "Gypsy". There was an assimilation, I suppose. Even the surname looks like a Romanian surname with an added Ukrainian ending which I understand only now.
    What is your region/ancestral regions in Ukraine?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Art23 View Post
    I am not sure that paternal grandparents of my mother identified as Ukrainian, especially grandmother as she was from Chisinau. The weird thing is that my mother and her family always spoke Ukrainian and were Ukrainians according to their documents in Soviet times, but they looked differently from the rest. My mother even remembers being called a "Gypsy". There was an assimilation, I suppose. Even the surname looks like a Romanian surname with an added Ukrainian ending which I understand only now.
    Yep, Ukrainization took place during USSR, so surnames like Sirbu became Sirbulenko and so on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor.Msk View Post
    What is your region/ancestral regions in Ukraine?
    Vinnytsia oblast, but I think they moved there both from western and eastern Ukraine, it is very mixed, I understand that both my and my mother's samples will be quite far from Ukrainian academic samples and I am fine with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Art23 View Post
    I am not sure that paternal grandparents of my mother identified as Ukrainian, especially grandmother as she was from Chisinau. The weird thing is that my mother and her family always spoke Ukrainian and were Ukrainians according to their documents in Soviet times, but they looked differently from the rest. My mother even remembers being called a "Gypsy". There was an assimilation, I suppose. Even the surname looks like a Romanian surname with an added Ukrainian ending which I understand only now.
    Well, Gypsy can be safely ruled out, as 1/4 of such ancestry would have manifested itself on an autosomal level. But the results from above don't reflect that. Chisinau was mostly populated by Jews at those times, but those results don't look Jewish influenced. She probably just had a more exotic phenotype and ethnically could have been 1/2 Moldovan since that's what the results hint at.

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    What is the ultimate accuracy of Eurogenes K13? For example native brother and sister (Ukrainians):


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    Quote Originally Posted by smd555 View Post
    What is the ultimate accuracy of Eurogenes K13? For example native brother and sister (Ukrainians):

    Don't expect that results will be close to 0 in such case. It is normal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lucas View Post
    Don't expect that results will be close to 0 in such case. It is normal.

    But there are some ancient samples which are closer to each other:


    Distance to: I0049_Germany_Corded_Ware_4287_ybp
    2.05387439 mur004_Russia_Srubnaya_Alakul.SG_3743_ybp
    2.50625218 Ardu1_Estonia_Corded_Ware.SG_4638_ybp

    2.82511947 I0424_Russia_Srubnaya_published_3675_ybp
    3.31086092 I0422_Russia_Srubnaya_published_3475_ybp
    3.38507016 I0361_Russia_Srubnaya_published_3475_ybp
    3.77850500 I1539_Germany_Corded_Ware_4408_ybp
    4.53005519 kzb002_Russia_Srubnaya_Alakul.SG_3721_ybp
    4.53515160 I0232_Russia_Srubnaya_published_3475_ybp
    4.59169903 I1541_Germany_Corded_Ware_father.or.son.of.I1538_f ather.or.son.of.I1540_4225_ybp
    4.68993603 mur003_Russia_Srubnaya_Alakul.SG_3734_ybp
    4.69007463 Ardu2_Estonia_Corded_Ware.SG_4638_ybp
    4.97046276 N44_Poland_CWC_o.SG_4405_ybp
    4.97464572 I7280_Czech_Corded_Ware_4200_ybp
    5.08506637 RISE505_Russia_Andronovo.SG_3636_ybp
    Distance to: kzb005_srubno_alakulskaya_1881_1692bce_
    0.75325958 kzb008_srubno_alakulskaya_1888_1696bce_
    2.25359712 kzb006_srubno_alakulskaya_1771_1626bce_

    3.44971013 ZVEJ28_Latvia_LN1_5039_4626_BC3089_2676_cal_BC_F_U 5a1_
    3.52889501 kzb007_srubno_alakulskaya_1873_1637bce_
    4.77351024 kzb009_srubno_alakulskaya_1764_1624bce_
    4.78932146 R1aM4170I6561_Ukraine_3500_BC
    5.70634734 mur003_Russia_Srubnaya_Alakul.SG_3734_ybp
    5.70649630 EarlyBA_PL_N17_1953-1880_BC
    6.30815345 I0234_Russia_Srubnaya_3675_ybp
    6.95356743 I1532_Germany_Corded_Ware_4225_ybp
    7.16387465 I0103_Corded_Ware_Germany_
    7.19198165 N45_Poland_CWC.SG_4405_ybp
    7.36843945 RISE446_Germany_Corded_Ware.SG_4597_ybp

    Does it depend on the sequencing detail which is higher in scientific samples than in commercial ones?

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    Quote Originally Posted by smd555 View Post
    What is the ultimate accuracy of Eurogenes K13? For example native brother and sister (Ukrainians):

    You shouldn't take it too seriously. They can be siblings and be further apart than some averaegs.

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