Dodecad k12b West & Central Asian results Vol 4.

**Leto** · 02-02-2021, 07:24 PM

Originally Posted by Kyp

No he doesn't and it's fairly consistent with his region.

Distance to: Rep.Azer
1.94136550 Azerbaijani_Northwest
3.82447382 Azerbaijani
4.09358034 Azerbaijani_Turkey
4.30370770 Azerbaijani_Southeast
4.70870471 Azerbaijani_Ardabil_Araz
4.90873711 Azerbaijani_Iran
4.93143995 Azerbaijani_Tabriz
5.10778817 Turk_Southeast
5.15688860 Azerbaijani_Central
5.81809247 Azerbaijani_Karabakh
6.02933661 Turk_South
6.46540022 Turk_Central_East
6.66215431 Azerbaijani_Absheron
6.80402087 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
7.55844561 Turk_Central_West
7.69807768 Azerbaijani_North
8.35822350 Kurd_Kurmanji
8.99860545 Zaza
9.15186320 Turk_Southwest
9.45707672 Yazidi
9.48627430 Iraq_Turkmen
9.64425217 Turk_West_BlackSea
9.77677861 Talysh_Azerbaijan
9.80993884 Kurd_Adygea
10.13397750 Turk_East

By distant I mean medieval or something.

**Sterling Archer** · 02-02-2021, 07:28 PM

Originally Posted by Kyp

I already have, I will create a thread about some new averages the next couple of days. In my previous post I compared him to all Azerbaijani averages.

Just saw it. Great!
Azerbaijani_Southeast - I assume this is for Azerbaijanis from the Talysh region?
Azerbaijani_Central - Arran-Mugan region?
Azerbaijani_North - Does this aggregate the whole north? Including Dagestan?

Super interesting, looking forward for the new thread!

**Leto** · 02-02-2021, 07:30 PM

A big Arab account (Levantine as well as some non-Arabs, possibly Kurds) in case anyone's interested

Spoiler!

**Kyp** · 02-02-2021, 07:34 PM

Originally Posted by Sterling Archer

Just saw it. Great!
Azerbaijani_Southeast - I assume this is for Azerbaijanis from the Talysh region?
Azerbaijani_Central - Arran-Mugan region?
Azerbaijani_North - Does this aggregate the whole north? Including Dagestan?

Super interesting, looking forward for the new thread!

Southeast: Exactly. Masalli region for example. But I heard Turks from there are mostly from Mugan/Moghan too. Actually most people from Ardabil are Moghanli too, maybe it's best to lump them all into one category.
Central: all other regions that didn't fit into the other categories. It was more referring to the middle of the Republic rather than Araz.
North: Didn't included Dagestan, as they have an own average. Other than that the whole North except the Northwest. (I don't have much results from Northeast so it's basically from around Zaqatala and Qabala.

**Leto** · 02-02-2021, 07:41 PM

Arab. Half Egyptian half Syrian? Doesn't halabi mean from Aleppo?

Gedrosia 6.05 Pct
Siberian -
Northwest_African 7.1 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 13.58 Pct
North_European -
South_Asian -
East_African 7.25 Pct
Southwest_Asian 25.77 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 35.97 Pct
Sub_Saharan 4.29 Pct

Distance to: Raneem
5.77055075 Egyptian
6.10467034 Jordanian_Muslim
6.61223109 Palestinian
9.59335708 Coptic
10.17352938 Jordanian_Christian
10.26840299 Syrian_Muslim
10.61728779 Syrian_SW_Christian
10.95186742 Lebanese_Muslim
11.02267663 Palestinian_Christian
13.17323802 Lebanese_Christian

Target: Raneem
Distance: 1.3991% / 1.39906143 | ADC: 0.25x RC
60.1 Egyptian
38.5 Syrian_SW_Christian
1.4 Bantu_S.E._Pedi

Target: Raneem
Distance: 1.9022% / 1.90215268 | ADC: 0.5x RC
64.7 Egyptian
35.3 Jordanian_Christian

**Sterling Archer** · 02-02-2021, 07:45 PM

North: Didn't included Dagestan, as they have an own average. Other than that the whole North except the Northwest. (I don't have much results from Northeast so it's basically from around Zaqatala and Qabala.

I see. How many samples do you need in order to create a viable average? Is there a rule of thumb?
I have seen, including here, several Azeri samples from north-east. One was a guy(Musayev I think) from Quba who had NE=16%, there is also a person from Khachmaz with NE=13%.
In the beginning of this thread I shared a result with high Gedrosia. I think that person was a mix between Gabala and Khachmaz.

What do you do with unusual results? Couple of pages before you shared a result from Tartar, Karabakh which looked very much like it was a mix with Kurdish(SW Asia too high). In Azeri DNA project there were some discussions about this result.
Do you think there is any point in creating a Kurdish_Azerbaijan average too?

There is one for Adyge after all )

**Sterling Archer** · 02-02-2021, 07:47 PM

Originally Posted by Leto

Arab. Half Egyptian half Syrian? Doesn't halabi mean from Aleppo?

From wiki: Aleppo (the Halabi , alternately spelled Halebi or Chalabi)

**Kyp** · 02-02-2021, 08:13 PM

Originally Posted by Sterling Archer

I see. How many samples do you need in order to create a viable average? Is there a rule of thumb?
I have seen, including here, several Azeri samples from north-east. One was a guy(Musayev I think) from Quba who had NE=16%, there is also a person from Khachmaz with NE=13%.
In the beginning of this thread I shared a result with high Gedrosia. I think that person was a mix between Gabala and Khachmaz.

What do you do with unusual results? Couple of pages before you shared a result from Tartar, Karabakh which looked very much like it was a mix with Kurdish(SW Asia too high). In Azeri DNA project there were some discussions about this result.
Do you think there is any point in creating a Kurdish_Azerbaijan average too?

There is one for Adyge after all )

Should I include the northeastern results into the northern average?

a) I don't include samples if I know they have mixed background
B) around 10 samples is preferred, +5 minimum
c) I don't have Kurdish results from Azerbaijan so I can't make an average anyway

**Kyp** · 02-02-2021, 08:34 PM

From Teheran:

Gedrosian: 25.17
Siberian: 3.62
Northwest_African: 0.76
Southeast_Asian: 0.75
Atlantic_Med: 6.35
North_European: 6.59
South_Asian: 4.76
East_African: 0.00
Southwest_Asian: 11.54
East_Asian: 1.82
Caucasian: 38.65
Sub_Saharan: 0.00

Distance to: Teheran
4.53165533 Talysh_Azerbaijan
4.53827060 Iran_Central
4.80326972 Azerbaijani_Iran
4.85366872 Iranian
4.91383760 Azerbaijani_Tabriz
4.94085013 Yazidi
5.03799563 Kurd_Kurmanji
5.14785392 Kurd_Adygea
5.41567170 Azerbaijani_Karabakh
5.54375324 Azerbaijani_Central
5.55946041 Lur_Iran
5.98013378 Azerbaijani_Southeast
5.99814138 Kurd_Sorani
6.11918295 Azerbaijani_Ardabil_Araz
6.16963532 Zaza
6.24652704 Iranian_Fars
6.53220483 Azerbaijani
6.55273225 Iraq_Turkmen
6.78820300 Azerbaijani_Turkey
6.92483935 Azerbaijani_Absheron
7.70328501 Azerbaijani_Northwest
8.58178886 Azerbaijani_North
8.61969257 Iran_Khorasan
8.66457731 Iran_C_East
9.47064940 Turk_Southeast

Target: Teheran
Distance: 1.4926% / 1.49262758 | ADC: 0.5x RC
40.8 Iranian
34.2 Azerbaijani_Iran
22.9 Iran_Central
2.1 Yakut

Distance to: Teheran
1.98704846 83.40% Lur_Iran + 16.60% Nogai
2.05417303 57.00% Iran_Mazandaran + 43.00% Turk_South
2.30123591 79.40% Talysh_Azerbaijan + 20.60% Turkmen_TM

**Sterling Archer** · 02-02-2021, 08:35 PM

Should I include the northeastern results into the northern average?
B) around 10 samples is preferred, +5 minimum

Dunno. That Musayev fellow(he is not mixed) was very similar to Dagestani and Zagatala Azeris, so I see no problem in including him (and 13% from Khachmaz that mentioned) in Azerbaijani_North.
Unfortunately, 2 does not make 5)) So when we have enough samples, we can create a separate category for that region.
Anyway, it is probably not correct to include them in any region other than the North. Can I have a look at your spreadsheet?

I don't have Kurdish results from Azerbaijan so I can't make an average anyway

I see. Azeri-Turkic DNA group shared a Kurdish result from Kalbajar awhile ago. His first pop was Kurdish too.
If you are interested, I can try to find it.