Dodecad k12b West & Central Asian results Vol 4.

**Sterling Archer** · 02-03-2021, 06:08 PM

Originally Posted by harutsafaryan07

in fact Hemshin is 8th сentury, the Armenian princes Hamam and Shapuh Amatuni, who lost their domains in Vaspurakan (Van) to Arabs, moved to the Byzantine Empire with 12,000 of their people.They given the town of Rize btw also unlike of Turkey Hemshin Hemshin from southern Russia and Abkhazia Are Christians Hemshin are different because they have influences from Laz and Pontic Greeks

That's all good, but still does not answer the question about the formation of Hemshin. You say that Hemshin from southern Russia are more influenced by Laz, but when we look at the averages for Hemshin(which I assume also include those from Turkey) we get this:
Distance to: Hemshin
1.36422139 Laz
3.66412336 Turk_East_Black_Sea
4.42403662 Greek_Pontus
4.53921799 Georgian_Adjara
5.33484770 Georgian_Turkey
5.97560039 Turk_Ahiska
7.57513696 Armenian_East
7.63346579 Georgian
7.72888737 Georgian_Imereti
9.24547998 Armenian_West
9.67226447 Georgian_Gurian
10.37038090 Georgian_Mingrelian
11.69746554 Turk_East

You will the same result if you run one of the kits that you singled out above.

For reference, Hemshin are closer to Laz than Azerbaijanis from the republic are to Iranian Azerbaijanis. That's why I asked the question.

**Leto** · 02-03-2021, 10:40 PM

Azerbaijani_Dagestan from Balanovsky (n = 8)

Code:

Azerbaijani_Dagestan,22.71,1.65,0.42,1.64,7.92,13.59,1.26,0.18,8.78,2.26,39.44,0.15

Not sure if it's better than the older one.

**Kyp** · 02-04-2021, 08:33 AM

Ethnic Persian from Khuzestan:

Gedrosian: 26.48
Siberian: 0.00
Northwest_African: 0.00
Southeast_Asian: 0.00
Atlantic_Med: 9.51
North_European: 8.52
South_Asian: 5.98
East_African: 0.00
Southwest_Asian: 13.29
East_Asian: 0.69
Caucasian: 35.49
Sub_Saharan: 0.00

Distance to: Khuzestan_Persian
4.12162589 Iran_Central
5.25849788 Iranian_Fars
5.47836654 Yazidi
5.88285645 Iran_C_East
6.29822197 Kurd_Sorani
6.48323222 Kurd_Kurmanji
6.78156324 Iran_Khorasan
6.99653486 Kurd_Adygea
7.38752327 Lur_Iran
7.56203015 Azerbaijani_Southeast
7.73483678 Azerbaijani_Central
7.76134653 Azerbaijani_Iran
7.83770375 Iranian
7.85185965 Azerbaijani_Tabriz
7.85389076 Azerbaijani_Karabakh
7.99909995 Iraq_Turkmen
8.14088447 Talysh_Azerbaijan
8.26285060 Zaza
8.31425282 Azerbaijani
9.59075075 Azerbaijani_Ardabil_Araz
9.69189352 Azerbaijani_Turkey
9.89794423 Azerbaijani_Northwest
10.44070400 Azerbaijani_Absheron
10.61780109 Turk_Southeast
10.76462726 Azerbaijani_North

Target: Khuzestan_Persian
Distance: 1.9779% / 1.97793169 | ADC: 0.5x RC
35.2 Iran_C_East
33.3 Iran_Central
24.2 Yazidi
5.0 Italian_Tuscany
2.3 France_Corsica

**Kyp** · 02-04-2021, 02:33 PM

From Qazvin, Iran

Gedrosian: 22.20
Siberian: 2.34
Northwest_African: 0.16
Southeast_Asian: 1.50
Atlantic_Med: 7.24
North_European: 7.60
South_Asian: 5.64
East_African: 0.13
Southwest_Asian: 11.87
East_Asian: 2.47
Caucasian: 38.87
Sub_Saharan: 0.00

Distance to: Qazvin
3.41752835 Azerbaijani_Iran
4.39447380 Azerbaijani
4.75995798 Azerbaijani_Turkey
5.27737624 Kurd_Kurmanji
5.66003534 Talysh_Azerbaijan
5.80294753 Iraq_Turkmen
6.08708469 Kurd_Sorani
6.09257745 Zaza
6.12318545 Iran_Central
6.19771732 Yazidi
6.29695958 Kurd_Adygea
6.55880324 Persian_Khuzestan
7.10218980 Turk_Southeast
7.75061288 Iranian
7.80775256 Iranian_Fars
7.82041559 Lur_Iran
9.56493596 Udi_Azerbaijan
9.62347131 Iran_Khorasan
9.76563362 Turk_Central_East
9.94159444 Turk_East
10.26646482 Turk_South
10.29079200 Iran_C_East
11.09664364 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
11.20559235 Iraqi_Baghdad
11.26362286 Azerbaijani_Dagestan

Target: Qazvin
Distance: 2.8188% / 2.81882480 | ADC: 1x RC
73.8 Azerbaijani_Iran
26.2 Iran_Central

From Sari, Mazandaran (Iran), notice the difference to the regular Mazandarani results:

Gedrosian: 27.20
Siberian: 2.27
Northwest_African: 1.58
Southeast_Asian: 0.52
Atlantic_Med: 3.72
North_European: 6.43
South_Asian: 3.90
East_African: 0.46
Southwest_Asian: 11.51
East_Asian: 2.03
Caucasian: 40.41
Sub_Saharan: 0.17

Distance to: Sari_Mazandaran
3.46395727 Iranian
4.16984412 Talysh_Azerbaijan
5.16930363 Lur_Iran
5.41626255 Kurd_Adygea
5.46657114 Iran_Central
6.03256993 Yazidi
6.48701010 Persian_Khuzestan
6.71661373 Kurd_Kurmanji
6.73591865 Iran_Mazandaran
6.87098246 Iranian_Fars
7.10734831 Kurd_Sorani
7.15260093 Zaza
7.40204701 Azerbaijani_Iran
8.57511516 Iraq_Turkmen
9.31761772 Azerbaijani
9.34308300 Iran_C_East
9.40926140 Azerbaijani_Turkey
9.97449748 Iran_Khorasan
11.15509749 Udi_Azerbaijan
11.57592329 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
12.44787934 Turk_Southeast
13.21581250 Turk_East
14.15517926 Iraqi_Baghdad
15.05326210 Tsakhur_Azerbaijan
15.08758430 Turk_Central_East

Target: Sari_Mazandaran
Distance: 2.1274% / 2.12736171 | ADC: 0.5x RC
58.8 Talysh_Azerbaijan
30.5 Iran_Mazandaran
10.7 Turkmen_TM

**Leto** · 02-05-2021, 09:03 PM

Four Uzbek_Khorezm samples from Balanovsky. There are two more but I can't accept them as legit because 9-10% Atlantic_Med looks way too high for Uzbekistan. It's even higher than most Kurds and Persians would score.

Code:

Uzbek_Khorezm_UZB-302,14.56,15.72,0,3.57,6.81,19.01,2.09,0,4.68,13.21,20.34,0

Gedrosia 14.56
Siberian 15.72
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 3.57
Atlantic_Med 6.81
North_European 19.01
South_Asian 2.09
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 4.68
East_Asian 13.21
Caucasus 20.34
Sub_Saharan -

Distance to: Uzbek_Khorezm_UZB-302
9.10885833 Turkmen_Afghanistan
9.17462261 Turkmen_Uzbekistan
9.37026147 Uzbek
10.88443384 Uzbeki
11.08420498 Crimean_Tatar_Steppe
13.56436508 Turkmen_Iran
17.36103972 Nogai
17.76183549 Nogai_Stavropol
17.82284489 Lipka_Tatar
18.02569555 Tajik_Mountain

Target: Uzbek_Khorezm_UZB-302
Distance: 1.1475% / 1.14745365 | R3P
58.3 Tatar_Siberia
37.0 Zaza
4.7 She

Code:

Uzbek_Khorezm_UZB-304,15.02,14.08,0,3.99,6.93,16.23,5.45,0,4.24,17.70,16.35,0

Gedrosia 15.02
Siberian 14.08
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 3.99
Atlantic_Med 6.93
North_European 16.23
South_Asian 5.45
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 4.24
East_Asian 17.70
Caucasus 16.35
Sub_Saharan -

Distance to: Uzbek_Khorezm_UZB-304
4.25668885 Uzbek
6.14315066 Uzbeki
6.43876541 Turkmen_Afghanistan
8.27591083 Turkmen_Uzbekistan
12.80081247 Crimean_Tatar_Steppe
13.70113134 Nogai_Stavropol
14.98253984 Uyghur
15.07075313 Karakalpak
15.29102351 Turkmen_Iran
17.39593918 Hazara

Target: Uzbek_Khorezm_UZB-304
Distance: 1.5891% / 1.58914896 | R3P
71.3 Turkmen_Uzbekistan
17.8 Bashkir_North
10.9 Tibetan

Code:

Uzbek_Khorezm_UZB-305,14.04,14.64,1.80,2.93,4.25,19.05,4.06,0.05,3.13,22.68,13.36,0

Gedrosia 14.04
Siberian 14.64
Northwest_African 1.80
Southeast_Asian 2.93
Atlantic_Med 4.25
North_European 19.05
South_Asian 4.06
East_African 0.05
Southwest_Asian 3.13
East_Asian 22.68
Caucasus 13.36
Sub_Saharan -

Distance to: Uzbek_Khorezm_UZB-305
6.66042791 Uzbeki
7.92739554 Uzbek
8.34997605 Turkmen_Afghanistan
9.93435453 Nogai_Stavropol
10.55064927 Karakalpak
10.82235187 Uyghur
13.58950330 Nogai_Astrakhan
14.01113129 Crimean_Tatar_Steppe
14.51636663 Turkmen_Uzbekistan
14.85209413 Hazara

Target: Uzbek_Khorezm_UZB-305
Distance: 1.9453% / 1.94525448 | R3P
64.6 Uyghur
27.9 Bashkir_Central
7.5 Mandean

Code:

Uzbek_Khorezm_UZB-306,16.57,13.43,0,1.00,4.70,17.51,8.29,0,2.95,13.43,22.12,0

Gedrosia 16.57
Siberian 13.43
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 1.00
Atlantic_Med 4.70
North_European 17.51
South_Asian 8.29
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 2.95
East_Asian 13.43
Caucasus 22.12
Sub_Saharan -

Distance to: Uzbek_Khorezm_UZB-306
7.93090159 Turkmen_Uzbekistan
8.59944766 Uzbek
9.63962655 Turkmen_Afghanistan
10.26438503 Uzbeki
10.50379455 Turkmen_Iran
14.55842024 Tajik_Mountain
14.72250998 Turkmen_TM
15.67317134 Crimean_Tatar_Steppe
16.17703619 Tajik_Lowland
16.95642651 Nogai

Target: Uzbek_Khorezm_UZB-306
Distance: 1.5266% / 1.52661024 | R3P
67.0 Turkmen_Afghanistan
27.0 Qumuq
6.0 Pulliyar

**Leto** · 02-06-2021, 06:55 PM

Kumyks from Lazaridis

Spoiler!

The first one didn't make it into the average being a blatant outlier.

Code:

Kumyk,20.38,3.02,0.23,0.27,6.21,20.22,1.14,0.24,4.93,2.79,40.46,0.11

Distance to: Kumyk
3.67204303 Tsakhur_Azerbaijan
4.37289378 Chechen
4.42161735 Kabardin
5.08584310 Ingush
5.36223834 Balkar
5.71320400 Abazin
6.04960329 Karachay
6.24602273 Circassian
7.49943998 Adyghe
7.91886355 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
8.50061174 Lezgin
8.60285418 Ossetian
8.69564259 Lak
10.11718834 Kubachi_Dagestan
10.12301832 Kaitag_Dagestan
10.18652541 Tabasaran
10.27840455 Avar
11.73568064 Dargin
12.36796669 Ossetian_South
13.74269988 Azerbaijani_Turkey

Target: Kumyk
Distance: 0.6395% / 0.63952586 | R3P
66.6 Tsakhur_Azerbaijan
28.5 Kabardin
4.9 Tatar_Kazan

Target: Kumyk
Distance: 1.3495% / 1.34945249 | R2P
66.6 Kabardin
33.4 Lezgin

Unfortunately the Lezgins from Lazaridis have turned out to be a failure (calculator-affected), so I won't be posting them.

**Kyp** · 02-06-2021, 07:06 PM

Originally Posted by Leto

Kumyks from Lazaridis

Spoiler!

The first one didn't make it into the average being a blatant outlier.

Code:

Kumyk,20.38,3.02,0.23,0.27,6.21,20.22,1.14,0.24,4.93,2.79,40.46,0.11

Distance to: Kumyk
3.67204303 Tsakhur_Azerbaijan
4.37289378 Chechen
4.42161735 Kabardin
5.08584310 Ingush
5.36223834 Balkar
5.71320400 Abazin
6.04960329 Karachay
6.24602273 Circassian
7.49943998 Adyghe
7.91886355 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
8.50061174 Lezgin
8.60285418 Ossetian
8.69564259 Lak
10.11718834 Kubachi_Dagestan
10.12301832 Kaitag_Dagestan
10.18652541 Tabasaran
10.27840455 Avar
11.73568064 Dargin
12.36796669 Ossetian_South
13.74269988 Azerbaijani_Turkey

Target: Kumyk
Distance: 0.6395% / 0.63952586 | R3P
66.6 Tsakhur_Azerbaijan
28.5 Kabardin
4.9 Tatar_Kazan

Target: Kumyk
Distance: 1.3495% / 1.34945249 | R2P
66.6 Kabardin
33.4 Lezgin

Unfortunately the Lezgins from Lazaridis have turned out to be a failure (calculator-affected), so I won't be posting them.

Nice!

Here is real Lezgin result I have found today:

Gedrosian: 25.54
Siberian: 3.17
Northwest_African: 0.07
Southeast_Asian: 0.00
Atlantic_Med: 8.08
North_European: 22.92
South_Asian: 0.17
East_African: 0.00
Southwest_Asian: 3.76
East_Asian: 0.00
Caucasian: 36.29
Sub_Saharan: 0.00

Distance to: Lezgin_Dagestan
4.52387002 Lezgin
4.60428062 Qumuq
4.60649541 Lak
4.92137176 Tabasaran
4.98525827 Avar
5.37576971 Kaitag_Dagestan
5.94683109 Dargin
5.97555855 Kubachi_Dagestan
8.06758948 Kumyk
8.24413731 Chechen
8.47762349 Tsakhur_Azerbaijan
10.33249244 Ingush
11.21359889 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
11.41042944 Kabardin
12.61905702 Balkar
13.06728357 Abazin
13.30940645 Karachay
13.60113966 Circassian
13.68973338 Kumyks
14.16228089 Adyghe
15.24250964 Ossetian
15.36158195 Yagnobi
17.54836175 Azerbaijani
17.56912064 Iran_Khorasan
17.89604705 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain

Target: Lezgin_Dagestan
Distance: 1.4604% / 1.46044195 | ADC: 0.5x RC
56.2 Lezgin
26.3 Dargin
9.4 Qumuq
8.1 Italian_Tuscany

**Leto** · 02-06-2021, 07:14 PM

Originally Posted by Kyp

Here is real Lezgin result I have found today:

Cool. I deleted Kumyks and Qumuq and put the new Kumyk in their stead

Target: Lezgin_Dagestan
Distance: 1.5317% / 1.53166306 | ADC: 0.5x RC
50.5 Lezgin
40.4 Lak
9.1 Italian_Emilia

He scores Italian because his Atlantic_Med is twice as high as the average for Lezgins.