Haplogroup profile of Indigenous(Proto)Europeans - Identified and Unidentified.

[Scandal]

They have had all the time in the world to evolve into a different race, natural for any Euro autosomal to be completely gone from them.

But haplogroups survive the test of time, if they carry C1 they descend from Cro-Magnon still, there is no other pre-historic population that carried C1 which we have discovered.

I am not saying they don't descend from Cro-magnon, I'm just saying it's very unlikely to be the reason he looks that way. He needs to have a decent amount of autosomal WHG admixture to influence his look and he has little to none such admixture.
I've seen Blacks and Amerindians too with those angular features. It's not always connected to Cro-magnons. Convergent evolution is a thing.

[Linebacker]

I am not saying they don't descend from Cro-magnon, I'm just saying it's very unlikely to be the reason he looks that way. He needs to have a decent amount of autosomal WHG admixture to influence his look and he has little to none such admixture.
I've seen Blacks and Amerindians too with those angular features. It's not always connected to Cro-magnons. Convergent evolution is a thing.

Its about gene expression more than anything. More than a few on Apricity have posted results with high WHG admixture and they did not look at all Cromagnid.

[Immanenz]

They have had all the time in the world to evolve into a different race, natural for any Euro autosomal to be completely gone from them.

But haplogroups survive the test of time, if they carry C1 they descend from Cro-Magnon still, there is no other pre-historic population that carried C1 which we have discovered.

Pan-human features, not necessary exclusivly connected to WHG.

To answer the people who ask about where C1 went, its not extinct. 1 in a million Europeans today is C1a with subclade C-V222 and C-V20

There was one guy I found posted on Eupedia who was C1 but he didn't post any pictures. Would be cool to see how a C1 person would look like.

https://www.eupedia.com/forum/thread...2-Haplogroup-C

the chance to connect his pheno to his haplogroup is like 0,0 %- the haplo is way too rare and way to old.

[Rethel]

Well, I'm the worst I2 ever then. Zero CM on features lol

Marry one. Problem solved.

Almost sure it's Ainu effect/lineage.

Yep, but it is interesting, was their look their original (they are D, separate D, but the D
basic looks differently) or their aboriginolike featrues came from this C1 or other C people?

[Linebacker]

Marry one. Problem solved.

Fixed, Miss Universe 2021 from Poland. Polish women are a lot more Native than Indi-European.

[Rethel]

Fixed, Miss Universe 2021 from Poland. Polish women are a lot more Native than Indi-European.

Some yes, but too IE for him. Remember, that CM-like features did appeared also among IEs on the Steppe (alongside
with couple of other types). The thing which made a difference was mainly the skin color (so EHG were +/- the same
as modern Whites) and the überconcentration of CM features among WHG (which among IEs were much weaker).

[Illyrius]

Fixed, Miss Universe 2021 from Poland. Polish women are a lot more Native than Indi-European.

Looks like my grandma when she was young

[Chaos One]

Marry one. Problem solved.

My wife is more like North Pontid. Doesn't help too much.

Yep, but it is interesting, was their look their original (they are D, separate D, but the D
basic looks differently) or their aboriginolike featrues came from this C1 or other C people?

I mean, there're some gaps in Japanese history IMO because folklore and everything.

When they say "Jomon people", IMO there're basically different groups. I would say that while there're logical connections, "D" Jomon People are probably related to Okinawans and people on Southern/Central Japan (Japanese HG) while Ainus had a different path coming from North, being C1.

Like:

"The relationship of Jōmon people to the modern Japanese (Yamato people), Ryukyuans, and Ainu is diverse and not well clarified. Morphological studies of dental variation and genetic studies suggest that the Jōmon people were of southern origin, while other studies of bacteria suggest that the Jōmon people were of possible northern origin.[43][44] According to recent studies the contemporary Japanese people descended from a mixture of the ancient hunter-gatherer Jōmon and the Yayoi rice agriculturalists, and these two major ancestral groups came to Japan over different routes at different times.[45][46][47][48][49][50] Recent studies however support a predominantly Yayoi ancestry for contemporary Japanese people.

The Jōmon people were not one homogenous ethnic group. According to Mitsuru Sakitani the Jōmon people are an admixture of two distinct haplogroups: A more ancient group from Central Asia (carriers of Y chromosome D1a), that were present since more than 35 000 years in Japan and a more recent group from East Asia (carriers of Y chromosome type C1a) that migrated to Japan about 13 000 years ago."

I mean, Jomon era is one thing while you can make distinctions between Japanese HG (D1a) and Ainu (C1a).

[Shubotai]

They were indeed different groups, but that is a distortion. Sakitani Mitsuru never said such a thing in his book DNA・考古・言語の学際研究が示す新・日本列島史―日本人集団・日本語の成立史. Ainu are 0% C1a in every research conducted. Only D1b, now D1a2a and C2b. More likely their looks can be connected to their maternal haplogroup N9b which is a descendant of mtdna N the common maternal haplogroup in west Eurasia. But I also agree that the ancestors of D1a2a were different than both modern Japanese and Ainu.

[Scandal]

Its about gene expression more than anything. More than a few on Apricity have posted results with high WHG admixture and they did not look at all Cromagnid.

How do you know they didn't look Cro-magnid? You can inherit facial features from Cro-magnon people without having a huge jaw, prominent cheekbones etc. Modern Europeans are between 20% and 50% WHG (Sicilian vs Estonian). Ethnicities that are 30, 40 or 50% WHG obviously get a lot of their traits from WHGs. It's impossible to be 1/3 or 1/2 something and not inherit anything from that race at all. Just compare half Asian half White people to full Whites or compare a group of 10 Half Finnish-Half Greek individuals to a group of 10 pure Finns. If you removed all WHG admixture from Europeans, they'd look quite different and not only the previously big jawed individuals would start to look different.