R1a-z93 in Kyrgyz people. Explanation?

[Ford]

Its not nonsense. so what if there are different branches? I am talking about the main brance. Haplogroup R and its brother haplogroup Q is of turkic, mongol or asiatic origins. it were asiatic haplogroup R males who came from the east and went to europe. thats how it went.

Basal R and Q are too old to be directly associated with any linguistic group.

[Chelubey]

Some Pan Turanian freaks claim that the Indo Europeans descended from them.

Well, the Turkic peoples have subclades of Hg R from the Yamnaya, Srubnaya, Andronovo and Afanasyevo cultures.
It is unlikely that they were all proto-Turkic/para-Turkic, but Srubnaya or Andronovo culture could be proto-Turkic.

[Illyrius]

Basal R and Q are too old to be directly associated with any linguistic group.

Sir this is one of the most helpful and meaningful comments ever posted on this site.

[Illyrius]

Well, the Turkic peoples have subclades of Hg R from the Yamnaya, Srubnaya, Andronovo and Afanasyevo cultures.
It is unlikely that they were all proto-Turkic/para-Turkic, but Srubnaya or Andronovo culture could be proto-Turkic.

Wait but isn't the pazyryk culture considered proto Turkic? I mean the word pazyryk it'se it's pretty Turkic sounding to me

[Hashoeva]

Basal R and Q are too old to be directly associated with any linguistic group.

so what if they are old. you can associate haplogroups with linguistic groups and ethnicities / races for sure. the only reason you say that because you are it seems a serb maybe with haplogroup R who dont want haplogroup R to be associated with turks and mongols haha. relax. dont feel ashamed. your paternal ancestors were original asiatics from siberia and mongolia.

[Illyrius]

so what if they are old. you can associate haplogroups with linguistic groups and ethnicities / races for sure. the only reason you say that because you are it seems a serb maybe with haplogroup R who dont want haplogroup R to be associated with turks and mongols haha. relax. dont feel ashamed. your paternal ancestors were original asiatics from siberia and mongolia.

What leads you to believe thism
For you to believe this nonsense crap is to deny your very own existence of your people.
Why do y'all got this huge Haplogroup R fetish.
Why are so many of you Haplogroup R wannabes. I bet you dream every night of being a Haplogroup R bearer
You're sick and show no respect for your ancestors and their respective Haplogroups. Haplogroup C, N, O, Q
Why are they so easily forgotten and cast into the darkness.

Like I said. You dream every day of Haplogroup R being mongoloid because you are so freaking jealous of it.
Learn to love yourself and your backgrounds more.

It's just a freaking Haplogroup dude for fucks sake.

[Ford]

so what if they are old. you can associate haplogroups with linguistic groups and ethnicities / races for sure. the only reason you say that because you are it seems a serb maybe with haplogroup R who dont want haplogroup R to be associated with turks and mongols haha. relax. dont feel ashamed. your paternal ancestors were original asiatics from siberia and mongolia.

You must be trolling. R and Q are older than IE and Turkic peoples by several thousand years.

[Zoro]

First I would like to say I don't have any axes to grind against either Turkics or Iranics since I have ancestry from both just like modern Turks or Azeri so I'll tell it as the evidence supports.

Once upon a time and for a long time Indo-Europeans and Indo-Iranians and their R1a dominated Central Asia and the Eurasian steppe. So basically 3000 year old Andronovo and their 2500 year old Scythian and Sarmatian relatives and their R1a were Indo-Iranian. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andronovo_culture Fortunately Iranic languages are quite different from Turkic languages so it's easy to see that Scythians spoke Iranic language.

Also not all East Eurasian admixture in Central or West Asia came from Turkics. For example the East Eurasian admixture in 2500 year old Scythians predated the arrival of Turkics in Central Asia. There are still peoples in Central Asia that didn't adopt Turkic languages. For example in Tajikistan (Tajiks).

So the R1a in Kirgiz is an Indo-Iranian founder effect that survived their Turkification.

The majority of ancestry in West Asian groups such as Azeris and Turks is NOT from Turkics because the original Turkics from Mongolia area were mostly East Eurasian when they moved west from the Altai. In fact , Mongolians and Turks share a proto Mongolic/Turkic language.

The first Turkic Khagnate didn't show up in Central Asia until about 1500 years ago (Gokturks) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkic_peoples

Turkic tribes such as the Khazars and Pechenegs probably lived as nomads for many years before establishing the First Turkic Khaganate, or Göktürk Empire, in the 6th century. These were herdsmen and nobles who were searching for new pastures and wealth. The first mention of Turks was in a Chinese text that mentioned trade between Turk tribes and the Sogdians along the Silk Road.[117] The first recorded use of "Turk" as a political name appears as a 6th-century reference to the word pronounced in Modern Chinese as Tujue. The Ashina clan migrated from Li-jien (modern Zhelai Zhai) to the Juan Juan seeking inclusion in their confederacy and protection from the prevalent dynasty. The tribe were famed metalsmiths and were granted land near a mountain quarry which looked like a helmet,
from which they were said to have gotten their name 突厥 (tūjué). A century later their power had increased such that they conquered the Juan Juan and established the Turkic Khaganate.

[Daos777]

so what if they are old. you can associate haplogroups with linguistic groups and ethnicities / races for sure. the only reason you say that because you are it seems a serb maybe with haplogroup R who dont want haplogroup R to be associated with turks and mongols haha. relax. dont feel ashamed. your paternal ancestors were original asiatics from siberia and mongolia.

You’re saying retarded shit in every thread.

Haplogroup R is from Eastern Hunter Gatherers and in Europe Villabruna Cro-Mag was found to carry r1b 14,000 years ago he was found in Trento, Italy.
Has nothing to do with Turkics or Mongoloids outside of much later subclades being assimilated by these people. Just like Jews are 40 percent R1b, but they are Turkic too I guess.


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[Chelubey]

I mean the word pazyryk it'se it's pretty Turkic sounding to me

Well, Syntashta also sounds Turkic and means a "gravestone". Turkic place names extend from Ukraine to Siberia. Part of the Turkic people has Pazyryk genetics, no doubt, but just the part .