R1a-z93 in Kyrgyz people. Explanation?

[Tanais]

Sintashta is said to have been the proto-Indo-Iranic culture. And they were pretty much European racially.

Iranians are not European by any mean. It's a Volga Turkic gene pool. Carlos Quiles knows it, he uses computer generated highly professional program beyond any consideration.

[Illyrius]

He could also pass as typical Bashkir or Tatar.

Ngl he could even pass in Albania

[Hashoeva]

haplogroup R is of mongol or turkic nomads origins. That also explains the some asiatic appearance you sometimes can see in North-West, Central and East Europeans.

the reason why some Europeans say that haplogroup R is of "indo-iranian" origins is because they want to believe that their paternal line is not of mongol or turkic origins so they feel themselves better. the closely related / brother haplogroup is haplogroup Q which is also mostly found among mongols, turkics, native-americans, and other asiatic peoples in siberia, altai region, etc.

[Turul Karom]

haplogroup R is of mongol or turkic nomads origins. That also explains the some asiatic appearance you sometimes can see in North-West, Central and East Europeans.

the reason why some Europeans say that haplogroup R is of "indo-iranian" origins is because they want to believe that so they feel themselves better that their paternal line is not of mongol or turkic origins. the closely related haplogroup of R also called the brother haplogroup which is haplogroup Q is also mostly found among mongols, turkics, native-americans, and other asiatic peoples in siberia, altai region, etc.

I am proud to be R, and I am proud of the Turkics who founded our tribes and cultures.

We are not all such Turkophobics; the reason for Turk-fear is the name association with Ottoman legacy (which average, every-day Anatolian Turks bled for just to be seen as having an Arabic cultural face, alphabet, and to have their steppe legacy mocked as "backward"), and the fact that the West has been predominantly Christian while most Turkics today are Muslim.

Turkish Osman and Hungarian Árpád dynasties (Turkic conquering leaders) were both R1a-Z93.

[Leto]

haplogroup R is of mongol or turkic nomads origins. That also explains the some asiatic appearance you sometimes can see in North-West, Central and East Europeans.

the reason why some Europeans say that haplogroup R is of "indo-iranian" origins is because they want to believe that their paternal line is not of mongol or turkic origins so they feel themselves better. the closely related / brother haplogroup is haplogroup Q which is also mostly found among mongols, turkics, native-americans, and other asiatic peoples in siberia, altai region, etc.

This is utter nonsense. Do you even realize that there are different branches of R1a (and R1b)? But even the Asian branches weren't originally Turkic, let alone Mongol (Mongols are less than 10% R1a for example).

[Leto]

I am proud to be R, and I am proud of the Turkics who founded our tribes and cultures.

We are not all such Turkophobics; the reason for Turk-fear is the name association with Ottoman legacy (which average, every-day Anatolian Turks bled for just to be seen as having an Arabic cultural face, alphabet, and to have their steppe legacy mocked as "backward"), and the fact that the West has been predominantly Christian while most Turkics today are Muslim.

Turkish Osman and Hungarian Árpád dynasties (Turkic conquering leaders) were both R1a-Z93.

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Maybe for you it is different but for us Russians/East Slavs there is nothing to be proud of in the Turco-Mongol influence (thank God it's minor or non-existent) because those savage motherfuckers (Turco-Mongols) came to our lands and destroyed and burned down everything. Obviously I don't want to be associated with those centuries of destruction and humiliation. That was a big-ass setback for our civilization and culture.
I don't mind Turkic peoples and languages but not in this case. It's one thing when you claim the conqueror heritage but in our case it's the opposite. The Mongols were demons, worse than Hitler.

[Hashoeva]

This is utter nonsense. Do you even realize that there are different branches of R1a (and R1b)? But even the Asian branches weren't originally Turkic, let alone Mongol (Mongols are less than 10% R1a for example).

Its not nonsense. so what if there are different branches? I am talking about the main brance. Haplogroup R and its brother haplogroup Q is of turkic, mongol or asiatic origins. it were asiatic haplogroup R males who came from the east and went to europe. thats how it went.

[Leto]

Its not nonsense. so what if there are different branches? I am talking about the main brance. Haplogroup R and its brother haplogroup Q is of turkic, mongol or asiatic origins. it were asiatic haplogroup R males who came from the east and went to europe. thats how it went.

Even if it did come from Eastern Eurasia a very, very long time ago, it does not mean it's "Turkic" or "Mongol". I think it must be a lot older than those ethnic categories.

[Turul Karom]

Maybe for you it is different but for us Russians/East Slavs there is nothing to be proud of in the Turco-Mongol influence (thank God it's minor or non-existent) because those savage motherfuckers (Turco-Mongols) came to our lands and destroyed and burned down everything. Obviously I don't want to be associated with those centuries of destruction and humiliation. That was a big-ass setback for our civilization and culture.
I don't mind Turkic peoples and languages but not in this case. It's one thing when you claim the conqueror heritage but in our case it's the opposite. The Mongols were demons, worse than Hitler.

Everyone fights everyone. Even inside meta-ethnicities. This is nothing new. The Mongols were terrible for Hungary as well and wrecked the nation; they were defeated in their second invasion by the half-Magyar, half-Cuman hero-king László IV. The first invasion only happened because we did not surrender the Cumans in Hungary and said we would not join the Mongolian Golden Horde to help push West. Originally the Mongols wished for a Hungarian alliance signed with the blood of Cumans.

Under Stalin, Turkics have been deported many times to Siberian deaths. The Nogais, the Crimean Tatars and the Giray clan (who were murdered by Ottomans after losing the last of their land) have never developed a means to fight the modern and larger industrialized Russians in the 18th and 19th centuries, and they were therefore pushed out by superior numbers, technology, and fire power.

I would say that the Russians and Slavics are doing quite well today; Russia borders so many Asiatic nations because of their aggressive expansions and refusal to assimilate early on the Turkics who previously raided them. I also don't think that Mongols are literally seen as worse than Hitler, who had a personal desire to genocide the Slavs.

I don't hate Russians, Germans, or Mongols though. I would say Hungary has been through more crossroads of betrayal and last-stands than Slavs.

[Turul Karom]

Its not nonsense. so what if there are different branches? I am talking about the main brance. Haplogroup R and its brother haplogroup Q is of turkic, mongol or asiatic origins. it were asiatic haplogroup R males who came from the east and went to europe. thats how it went.

The problem is that when people hear "Mongol" or "Turkic", several jump to the image of a very Sinic-looking Chinese man in their head as the representation. They ignore the Sinicization effects from the Mongol and other East Asian phenotype invasions westward and just use the populations there today as reference.

For example, this is an Altai felt picture of a Scythian from the border of Mongolia (very important because this is how they made themselves look, not a foreign source) and it is the oldest known image of the Hungarian mustache.