Serbian autosomal DNA #2

**~~Ion Basescul~~** · 04-25-2021, 04:23 PM

Originally Posted by vbnetkhio

my version:

Interesting model; thanks and saved

Target	Distance		Balkan_IA	Early_Slavic	Germanic	Roman_Middle_east
IonBasescul_Merged	1.96645069	•	17.1	52.5	16.1	14.3
IonBasescul_MyHeritage	1.51197872	•	22.4	61.8	0.0	15.8
IonBasescul_brother_MyHeritage	1.59265520	•	34.7	56.0	0.0	9.3
IonBasescul_mom_MyHeritage	2.32851116	•	29.0	65.2	0.0	5.8
IonBasescul_dad_MyHeritage	1.09376005	•	28.3	62.8	0.6	8.3

**Jana** · 04-25-2021, 04:34 PM

Originally Posted by vbnetkhio

my version:

samples:

Code:

Roman_Middle_east:Cappadocia_654,7.09,2.22,16.31,23.17,40.56,8.38,1.57,0.01,0.5,0.07,0.12,0,0
Roman_Middle_east:Cappadocia_655,5.53,1.84,16.56,30.06,37.43,7.43,0.01,0.07,1.07,0,0,0,0
Roman_Middle_east:Cappadocia_656,7.23,2.74,12.41,34.16,36.8,4.84,1.74,0,0,0,0.08,0,0
Roman_Middle_east:Cappadocia_657,4.88,4.52,20.21,27.79,34.7,4.59,3.06,0.03,0.2,0,0.01,0,0
Roman_Middle_east:Cappadocia_658,4.56,4.4,17.97,27.79,41.33,3.73,0,0,0.03,0,0.19,0,0
Roman_Middle_east:Cappadocia_659,7.98,2.53,19.26,29.73,32.9,5.41,0.37,0.52,0.13,0.69,0.48,0,0
Roman_Middle_east:Cappadocia_660,6.24,0.02,15.22,29.4,38.49,7.21,0.27,0.53,1.88,0.02,0.73,0,0
Roman_Middle_east:Cappadocia_661,9.43,3.52,16.24,27.55,35.32,6.35,1.14,0.37,0.07,0.01,0,0,0
Roman_Middle_east:Cappadocia_662,3.56,6.69,16.65,24.62,38.25,6.92,0.71,0,2.46,0,0.15,0,0
Roman_Middle_east:Cappadocia_663,3.66,2.59,18.77,32.28,37.15,3.33,1.84,0,0,0.01,0.37,0,0
Roman_Middle_east:Niğde,6.37,5.18,20.97,27.44,33.36,5.71,0.07,0.15,0.39,0,0.36,0,0
Balkan_IA:MJ12_Thraco_Kimmerian_,17.31,16.47,24.79,14.47,21.96,1.38,0.00,0.00,1.28,1.76,0.58,0.00,0.00
Balkan_IA:I3313_Croatia_Early_IA_2733_ybp,34.15,12.62,23.19,10.39,15.71,3.56,0.00,0.00,0.38,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00
Balkan_IA:scy192_SG_Moldova_Scythian_SG,25.17,13.29,18.61,11.78,24.56,1.68,1.91,0,0.6,0,2.4,0,0
Balkan_IA:scy197_SG_Moldova_Scythian_SG,19.25,15.8,28.22,3.76,22.72,7.4,0,0,2.85,0,0,0,0
Balkan_IA:scy300_SG_Moldova_Scythian_SG,25.15,5.55,24.79,9.86,24.18,6.31,0,2.61,0,1.53,0,0,0
Balkan_IA:scy305_SG_Moldova_Scythian_SG,34.92,7.94,20.66,19.7,11.46,1.06,2.43,0.64,0,0,0,0,1.19
Balkan_IA:I5769_Bulgaria_IA_2600_ybp,24.62,3.48,30.00,9.21,28.33,4.36,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00
Balkan_IA:I9006_Greece_Mycenaean_3287_ybp,8.75,3.24,32.05,13.71,37.05,3.81,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.80,0.58,0.00,0.00
Balkan_IA:I9010_Mycenaean_1351_bc_,10.52,2.73,31.92,8.82,36.83,8.03,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.86,0.00,0.30
Balkan_IA:I9033_Mycenaean_1352_bc_M_,18.69,1.27,31.47,12.51,27.61,2.03,0.00,0.87,0.24,0.00,0.87,3.47,0.98
Balkan_IA:I9041_Greece_Mycenaean_3250_ybp,20.11,0.00,30.28,9.34,35.01,3.56,0.00,0.00,1.40,0.00,0.00,0.30,0.00
Early_Slavic:AV2_Hungary_Szolad_540_640_AD_540_640_AD_,30.33,47.37,11.04,4.58,2.63,0.68,0.49,0.00,1.56,0.89,0.00,0.42,0.00
Early_Slavic:Sungir6_Early_Medieval_Russian_I2a_I2a_,25.54,45.76,13.11,4.08,6.15,0.53,0.00,0.00,2.60,1.08,0.58,0.53,0.00
Early_Slavic:Ukraine_Lutsk_Medieval_VK541,23.15,43.28,11.7,7.62,7.79,1.05,1.58,0,1.18,0.56,0.79,0,1.29
Early_Slavic:Ukraine_Chernigov_VikingAge_VK542,22.48,43.78,10.72,8.56,9.14,0.26,0,0,1.64,0.82,0.98,0.73,0.87
Early_Slavic:Viking_Poland_Cedynia_VK212,29.69,48.84,9.53,5.54,1.59,0,1.3,0,1.34,0,0.13,1.42,0.62
Early_Slavic:Viking_Denmark_Langeland_VK287,27.47,45.26,8.62,7.09,7.54,0,1.5,0.79,1.13,0.21,0.21,0.16,0
Early_Slavic:Viking_Russia_Kurevanikha_VK160,24.63,54.16,7.49,3.96,2.47,1.99,1.17,1.75,0.31,0.67,0,0.16,1.25
Early_Slavic:Viking_Russia_Gnezdovo_VK466,25.85,43.15,9.22,12.82,0,0,2.34,0.15,0,2.09,1.69,0,2.6
Early_Slavic:Viking_Russia_Pskov_VK159,28.62,50.38,7.63,3.49,4.19,0,2.08,0,0,1.86,0.48,1.27,0
Early_Slavic:Viking_Denmark_Jutland_VK340,28.29,43.29,9.89,5.02,8.09,0,3.75,0,0.44,0.1,0,1.12,0
Early_Slavic:KRA011,29.56,50.68,8.38,2.39,2.54,1.03,1.30,0.14,0,1.40,1.27,1.10,0.21
Germanic:CL145_longobard_north_italy,53.01,27.98,7.21,5.65,0.79,1.05,2.78,0,0,0,0.99,0.55,0
Germanic:CL146_Longobard_,54.56,25.16,9.41,4.77,1.52,0.92,1.25,0,0.63,0.55,0.4,0.83,0
Germanic:CL151_longobard_north_italy,55.73,27.25,6.83,4.75,0,2.45,1.17,0,0,0.6,1.22,0,0
Germanic:CL83_longobard_north_italy,50.79,24.89,12.46,6.2,0.71,2.68,0,1.18,0.2,0.26,0,0.63,0
Germanic:CL84_longobard_north_italy,51.4,26.75,12.42,4.27,1.3,1.75,0,0.85,0.83,0,0,0.44,0
Germanic:CL87_longobard_north_italy,48.19,22.34,15.47,5.32,3.89,2.63,0.53,0,0,0.79,0.09,0.66,0.09
Germanic:CL92_longobard_north_italy,48.87,28.93,9.99,6.36,2.26,0,0,0.5,1.89,0,0.45,0.76,0
Germanic:CL93_longobard_north_italy,49.96,27.68,9.25,8.59,0,1.17,0,0,1.12,0.35,0.83,0.3,0.75
Germanic:nuf002_Sigtuna_10_12_century_M_t1a1j_,54.09,26.67,18.01,0.27,0.82,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0.15
Germanic:RISE174_Sweden_IA.SG_1431_ybp,48.47,30.87,7.8,5.77,0.58,0.36,2.19,0,1.18,1.06,0.56,0.17,1
Germanic:RISE71_Falshoj_Denmark_3701_years_H3b_,56.03,22.04,13.67,7.71,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0.56
Germanic:RISE97_Sweden_LN.SG_3905_ybp,47.46,26.69,11.55,4.1,2.77,1.8,1.48,0,0,1.17,1.54,0.01,1.43
Germanic:stg021_Sigtuna_,50.43,32.96,11.1,4.19,0.52,0,0.24,0.27,0,0.23,0,0,0
Germanic:stg026_Sigtuna_,55.35,38.11,6.54,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
Germanic:SZ11_Hungary_Langobard.SG_1442_ybp,45.71,26.53,12.76,12.49,0,0,0,0.46,0.52,0.58,0.66,0,0.28
Germanic:SZ12_Hungary_Langobard_1442_ybp,47.25,26.28,10.75,7.04,5.01,0,1.09,0,0,0.9,1.69,0,0
Germanic:SZ13_Hungary_Langobard_son.SZ24_father.SZ7_brother.SZ22_1469_ybp,51.91,27.94,8.54,6.68,0,1.86,0.46,0,0,1.6,0.7,0.3,0
Germanic:SZ14_Hungary_Langobard_1442_ybp,47.24,21.95,12.92,11.46,1.94,1.53,0,0,0,0.7,0.46,0,1.81
Germanic:SZ15_Hungary_Langobard.SG_1442_ybp,49.81,25.15,10.68,7.88,0.66,1.04,2.67,1.49,0.62,0,0,0,0
Germanic:SZ16_Hungary_Langobard_1442_ybp,48.77,31.63,9.58,6.5,0,0,1.35,0,0.85,0.66,0.45,0,0.21
Germanic:SZ2_Hungary_Langobard.SG_1442_ybp,52.77,32.44,5.78,5.42,0.27,0,0,0,0.31,0.34,0.89,1.25,0.53
Germanic:SZ22_Longobard_,47.64,28.46,10.25,7.39,1.26,0.36,1.8,0,0,0.17,2.66,0,0
Germanic:SZ30_Hungary_Langobard_1442_ybp,50.05,22.89,10.04,6.96,5.21,0.14,2.36,0.88,0,0.65,0.16,0,0.66
Germanic:SZ4_Hungary_Langobard.SG_1442_ybp,50.8,27.85,9.46,7.27,0.17,0.52,2.02,0,1.24,0,0.66,0,0
Germanic:SZ41_Hungary_Langobard_1442_ybp,50.62,30.54,10.69,2.85,0,0,0,0,2.29,0.38,1.12,0,1.5
Germanic:SZ7_Hungary_Langobard_1442_ybp,48.86,27.94,10.52,5.59,1.58,1.62,1.24,0,0.73,1.09,0.59,0,0.24
Germanic:SZ9_Hungary_Langobard_1442_ybp,51.25,28.48,10.25,3.67,0.9,0.62,4.07,0,0.4,0.35,0,0,0
Germanic:urm035_Sigtuna_M_BCDE_h2a1c_,59.65,32.58,7.76,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
Germanic:vik_84001_Sweden_Viking.SG_989_ybp,48.64,32.31,8.02,4.27,3.03,0,0,0,1.51,1.62,0.46,0,0.14
Germanic:vik_84035_Sweden_Viking_fail.due.to.high.heterozygosity.SG_1078_ybp,40.65,27.97,13.4,6.46,1.32,1.56,2.09,0,2.89,1.06,0.74,0,1.86
Germanic:vik_grt035_Sweden_Viking.SG_996_ybp,53.09,24,12.1,6.14,0.74,1.43,0,0,0.51,1.16,0,0.83,0
Germanic:vik_kls001_Sweden_Viking.SG_900_ybp,49.93,31.75,6.98,0.05,4.03,1.05,0.71,0.04,2.75,0,1.08,0.78,0.85
Germanic:vik_nuf002_Sweden_Viking.SG_900_ybp,46.55,27.91,9.45,2.83,7.96,0.75,1.16,0.36,0,0.82,1.04,1.16,0
Germanic:vik_stg021_Sweden_Viking.SG_924_ybp,46.77,30.03,10.61,4.43,1.83,0.06,2.26,1.24,0.54,0.73,0.18,1.18,0.16

Wow,a fantastic model, maybe best so far!

I think it's very realistic for me and Stears (I just added Turkic samples for him)

Target: Stearsolina
Distance: 2.3156% / 2.31557371

55.1 Early_Slavic
32.4 Balkan_IA
12.5 Germanic

Target: Stears
Distance: 0.2045% / 0.20454026

50.2 Early_Slavic
19.6 Germanic
15.4 Roman_Middle_east
8.7 Balkan_IA
6.1 Turkic

**Dušan** · 04-25-2021, 04:41 PM

**vbnetkhio** · 04-25-2021, 04:51 PM

Target: i
Distance: 162.5141% / 1.62514097
62.8 Early_Slavic
32.2 Balkan_IA
5.0 Germanic

i think the germanic acts weird in this model.

there's either zero or too much of it. feel free to edit the model.

**vbnetkhio** · 04-25-2021, 04:53 PM

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**Kaspias** · 04-25-2021, 05:48 PM

I had to play with references to stabilize the result. Interesting enough.

Target: Kaspias
Distance: 2.0956% / 2.09557427 | ADC: 0.25x RC
28.2 Early_Slavic
26.5 Balkan_IA
23.9 Turkic
21.4 Roman_Middle_east

Target: Kaspias_dad
Distance: 2.1036% / 2.10356375 | ADC: 0.25x RC
53.3 Balkan_IA
36.8 Turkic
9.9 Roman_Middle_east

Target: Kaspias_mom_phased
Distance: 2.0829% / 2.08294503 | ADC: 0.25x RC
50.4 Early_Slavic
35.9 Roman_Middle_east
13.7 Balkan_IA

**vbnetkhio** · 04-25-2021, 05:52 PM

Originally Posted by Kaspias

I had to play with references to stabilize the result. Interesting enough.

could you post your version of the references?

**Kaspias** · 04-25-2021, 06:08 PM

Originally Posted by vbnetkhio

could you post your version of the references?

I did not save actually but there were just a few changes. I re-tagged Germanic as Balkan_IA but keep all Germanic populations. It is not likely in Thrace to have actual Germanic admixture, therefore I evaluated Germanic as a sign of Balkanic ancestry. Plus added these for the Turkic:

Code:

DA222_Kazakhstan_Karluk.SG_1100_ybp,4.94,10.15,1.07,23.37,3.74,0.24,7.81,14.77,30.12,2.05,0.44,0.10,1.21
DA230_Kazakhstan_Karluk.SG_1100_ybp,9.14,9.82,0.00,20.60,3.24,3.16,7.31,18.95,24.40,1.38,0.44,0.00,1.55
DA87_Kazakhstan_Kimak.SG_1262_ybp,7.65,17.51,0.00,21.58,0.59,0.02,4.74,12.33,29.73,3.74,1.68,0.42,0.00
MA2195_Anatolia_Ottoman1.SG_3800_ybp,6.20,11.13,1.57,20.68,7.55,1.59,3.07,13.85,29.99,3.50,0.48,0.00,0.39
DA203_Kazakhstan_Karakhanid.SG_1000_ybp,4.19,11.56,0.00,19.56,7.30,0.00,6.79,16.71,29.01,4.42,0.46,0.00,0.00
DA204_Kazakhstan_Karakhanid.SG_998_ybp,10.92,11.20,0.00,21.42,0.00,0.28,8.28,13.89,29.07,3.41,0.00,1.23,0.30
DA205_Kazakhstan_Karakhanid.SG_1000_ybp,8.66,8.83,0.00,15.05,3.93,0.00,6.86,20.40,31.37,2.74,0.67,0.88,0.61
DA142_Russia_Nomad_Med.SG_1000_ybp,14.61,21.44,2.01,17.50,0.00,1.10,5.31,8.40,25.72,2.26,1.14,0.50,0.00