Macedonian Gedmatch kits - 28

[JohnnyP]

I find it interesting that Macedonians have higher Atlantic Med than Greeks in K12b.



Also, in case you are interested:

I think these Greek_Macedonian DodecadK12b are not updated , even Serbian average have more Atlanto_Med than Greek_Macedonian, and Greek_Macedonian plots really close to Bulgarian_East, as i said these references are not updated at all or are wrong, and also i guess Greek Macedonians to have more Caucasus than Atlanto_Med coz pontiaks and Turks ?

I guess Greeks from West Macedonia to have high Atlanto_Med.

[catgeorge]

Nothing to do with North Atlantic

North_Atlantic,Baltic,West_Med,West_Asian &East_Med is all pretty much similar constant between the 15-23 range. Greeks don't spike hard in either of these

[JohnnyP]

Nothing to do with North Atlantic

North_Atlantic,Baltic,West_Med,West_Asian &East_Med is all pretty much similar constant between the 15-23 range. Greeks don't spike hard in either of these

Nothing to do with North Atlantic

North_Atlantic,Baltic,West_Med,West_Asian &East_Med is all pretty much similar constant between the 15-23 range. Greeks don't spike hard in either of these

Macedonians from Central part and from East have high North Atlantic.

Region	North Atlantic	Baltic
Central	23.4	17.66
Central	24.95	18.23
Central	26.15	19.03
Central	23.08	19.92
Central	20.02	19.6
Central	24.32	19.78
Central	21.4	19.31
Central	24.57	20.39
Central	24.31	20.31
Central	25.74	19.17
Central	24.87	18.4
Central	24.27	18.19

Eastern Region	29.57	22.12
Eastern Region	24.71	21.04
Eastern Region	23.34	19.96
Eastern Region	24.55	21.43
Eastern Region	26.57	17.40

[catgeorge]

Macedonians from Central part and from East have high North Atlantic.

Region	North Atlantic	Baltic
Central	23.4	17.66
Central	24.95	18.23
Central	26.15	19.03
Central	23.08	19.92
Central	20.02	19.6
Central	24.32	19.78
Central	21.4	19.31
Central	24.57	20.39
Central	24.31	20.31
Central	25.74	19.17
Central	24.87	18.4
Central	24.27	18.19

Eastern Region	29.57	22.12
Eastern Region	24.71	21.04
Eastern Region	23.34	19.96
Eastern Region	24.55	21.43
Eastern Region	26.57	17.40

Most of those would come under the Greek range but alot of those are too high for Greeks - geographically we should have nothing to do with them.

[Kaspias]

I think these Greek_Macedonian DodecadK12b are not updated , even Serbian average have more Atlanto_Med than Greek_Macedonian, and Greek_Macedonian plots really close to Bulgarian_East, as i said these references are not updated at all or are wrong, and also i guess Greek Macedonians to have more Caucasus than Atlanto_Med coz pontiaks and Turks ?

I guess Greeks from West Macedonia to have high Atlanto_Med.

Greek_Macedonia is Greeks from an article, labeled as such.

Greeks from Western Macedonia have high Atlanto Med and lesser North European. Caucasus score in Dodecad K12b is not exactly the same as West Asian in Eurogenes K13 and possibly covers a degree of EEF admixture, too. It seems that's why Greeks are scoring higher.

[Coolguy1]

There should be two categories for Greek Macedonians. One for those of a Slavic speaking background, and another for those of a Greek speaking background, who hail from the regions of Grevena, Pieria, Imathia, Chalkidiki, etc. The label "Greek_Macedonia" means almost nothing if you dont know where exactly the samples are from.

[paradox]

that doesn't mean much.
in k13, individuals can range +-5 from the average in each component, and still be pure members of that population with no foreign ancestry.

your dad has much less than 5 differnce with each component from Johnny's average:

paradox father	25.95	23.56	16.11	9.72	19.35	3.09	0	0	1.2	0.27	0.53	0.21	0
Macedonian average	22.14	21.18	20.02	11.03	21.55	2.24	0.25	0.34	0.43	0.38	0.35	0.04	0.06
difference	3.81	2.38	3.91	1.31	2.2	0.85	0.25	0.34	0.77	0.11	0.18	0.17	0.06

there is just a very big number of southern Balkan(Albanian, Macedonian, Greek) averages in the sheet, which are all very similar to each other, and your father is by accident closer to some than the other.



the best way to check the validity of averages is to check how multiple independent sources align. johnnyP is one source.

You could make 3 Macedonian k13 averages from another 3 independent sources and compare them:
1 k13 results of Macedonian apricity members: https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...-eurogenes-k13
2 the k13 results of these Macedonians https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...ent-on-the-map
3 Macedonian k13 results posted on Anthrogenica, Eupedia and Apricity (except those posted in this thread), search on google for example "Eupedia Macedonian Eurogenes results" you should find a dozen of them.

I don't have time for this now, but you could run this study.

Thanks! I have been finding results but i definately appreciate the additional links.

[JohnnyP]

Macedonian from Galichnik

[Varda]

Macedonian from Galichnik

Mijak, nice.

[Crn Volk]

Mijak, nice.

Yes, like the guy in my avatar