Who is more native to Israel/Palestine, Palestinians or Jews?

[Hamilcar]

You will be the real Western European in around 100-200 years.

where I live most people are north african therefore we're already indigenous

[Avicenna]

Good I therefore consider myself indigenous to western europe.

Lmao brb ima claim the pontic steppes as my rightful land by birth and lineage , R1a stronkkkk

[Jaromir]

the Balts, give us back our land

[Petalpusher]

There is no debate palestinians and especially christian palestinians are closer to almost all BA/IA southern levantines than ashkenazi/sephardi jews.

I have little interest this war but still think it's more complicated than that, on different levels. The birth of Jews as a people in that land, a real group, is indisputable, even if at a later date. Those who came back more recently are indeed too "Euro" to qualify and certainly if we go only by the rights of longstanding presence, then that would be Palestinians, but it's not like Jews were never there either.

Going by neolithic, Sardinians could claim the whole Turkish territory, i would agree that wouldn't make much sense.

Still not as clear as you claim, depends on the period

[Cristiano viejo]

Obviously Palestinians. Jews are natives to Poland, Russia, in a lesser extent Germany, etc.

[Hamilcar]

I have little interest this war but still think it's more complicated than that, on different levels. The birth of Jews as a people in that land, a real group, is indisputable, even if at a later date. Those who came back more recently are indeed too "Euro" to qualify and certainly if we go only by the rights of longstanding presence, then that would be Palestinians, but it's not like Jews were never there either.

Going by neolithic, Sardinians could claim the whole Turkish territory, i would agree that wouldn't make much sense.

Still not as clear as you claim, depends on the period

And that most converts were born in Europe is also indisputable. The question is simply who is more native therefore if we go by genetics then it's palestinians that's it. The same way modern canarians are not native to the canary islands despite some of them having guanche ancestors and identifying as berbers.

[Tooting Carmen]

Obviously Palestinians. Jews are natives to Poland, Russia, in a lesser extent Germany, etc.

Then how come you always say they aren't White? Anyway, as Petalpusher has inferred, the answer is neither (at least not 100%). Most Jews have heavy Euro admixture (not surprising, given their history), while many if not most Palestinians have Gulf Arab, Egyptian and even sometimes Black African admixture.

[Petalpusher]

Then how come you always say they aren't White? Anyway, as Petalpusher has inferred, the answer is neither (at least not 100%). Most Jews have heavy Euro admixture (not surprising, given their history), while many if not most Palestinians have Gulf Arab, Egyptian and even sometimes Black African admixture.

I would say both rather, for different reasons all things considered, but that's more an opinion. People tend to always rally the weaks, im trying to see it detached of any affect.

[Diego Garcia]

The Palestinians, obviously. And among them there were individuals belonging to muslim religion, jewish religion and christian religion.

The newcomers to Palestine from the 50s on were exogene to those territories, they were just jews from different countries, being jewish a religion and not an ethnic group, so no linking or very scarcely to those lands.

I wonder what have to do a Pole, a Russian, a Ucranian, a German, an English, a French, etc. of jewish religion with a Palestinian living in those lands for ages.

[Tooting Carmen]

I would say both rather, for different reasons all things considered, but that's more an opinion. People tend to always rally the weaks, im trying to see it detached of any affect.

Migration and mixing are an integral part of humanity everywhere, although of course in some places and groups more than others (e.g. Northeast Asia vs Latin America).