Map of Europe showing WHG, Baltic HG, Yamnaya and Neolithic ancestry

[MechtoidAfalouHG]

Target: Notjew_scaled
Distance: 5.1341% / 0.05134079
43.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
35.4 TUR_Barcin_N
18.2 Baltic_LVA_HG
1.6 Han
1.2 Levant_PPNB

If you’re not as Aryan as me you’re not white

[Dunai]

Target: Dunai
Distance: 3.1114% / 0.03111400
41.4 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
40.6 TUR_Barcin_N
15.8 Baltic_LVA_HG
2.2 Han

[MechtoidAfalouHG]

25% ENF ancestry among Finns? This makes no sense... Not only that Finland was never in the path of ENF: it was populated by Mesolithic Hunter-Gatherers before Aryans came, but also it has lowest concentration in Europe (near absence, that is) of any ENF / West Asian phenotypes: almost no meds, alpines, dinarics, etc. As always, racial anthropology matches history much better than genetic mumbo-jumbo

Aryan aka "Steppe" ancestry is also over-inflated, Mesolithic HG extremely underestimated (judging how MUCH more common today are indigenous CM-derivative phenotypes than Corded). Perhaps the two should be taken together? Anyway, I don't see any value in these results:

- Southern Italians (Neapolitans, Calabrians) just SLIGHTLY less Aryan than French (25% vs 35%)... Former area cannot have, historically speaking (as confirmed by phenotypes) more than 10% influence: it was briefly invaded by Italics then Greeks started to build cities on the coast but not only those two were very mixed already (definitely not pred. Aryan to begin with), the bulk of the population remained more or less unaffected since pre-Italic times (hence Meds, Alpines, Dinarics and even Armenoids pretty much everywhere)

Why does Corded not match what we know Yamnaya looked like? Yamnaya were dark haired, dark eyed, and had darker skin than todays Europeans. They were also tall and robust not progressive like Corded.

[happycow]

Target: TimA_scaled
Distance: 1.6163% / 0.01616329
50.4 Levant_PPNB
23.0 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
11.8 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
7.4 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
3.0 Yoruba
2.6 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
1.0 MAR_Taforalt
0.6 Dinka
0.2 Han

[celticdragongod]

Why does Corded not match what we know Yamnaya looked like? Yamnaya were dark haired, dark eyed, and had darker skin than todays Europeans. They were also tall and robust not progressive like Corded.

How do you know what Yamnaya looked like?

[MechtoidAfalouHG]

How do you know what Yamnaya looked like?

skeletal remains and their genotype

[Adamm]

Target: Adam_Scaled
Distance: 1.8371% / 0.01837133

34.8 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
31.8 MAR_Taforalt
8.8 TUR_Barcin_N
7.8 Levant_PPNB
7.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
3.6 WHG
3.0 Dinka
1.6 Gambian
1.6 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps

[XenophobicPrussian]

Why are you using TUR_Tepecik_Ciflik as a proxy for Neolithic Anatolians? None of those people entered Europe at all in the neolithic, no one with significant CHG/extra Levant admixture entered Europe before the Bronze Age.

You are inflating the actual neolithic Anatolian admixture in many southern Europeans, as they have a lot of extra, post-neolithic MENA admixture post EEFs(infact, the first farmers into Europe may've even been from a more western location in Anatolia than Barcin, maybe even from Greece and the border of Basal Eurasian admixed people and HGs was Macedonia, because the earliest farmers in Iberia, so likely some of the first, are missing the very minor CHG/Iran_N signal Barcin has, even if it's around 1-2%).

This is where Tepecik_Ciflik is, it's practically the Levant:


(this is why treating EEF as some sort of relevant race or population is silly, because Anatolia and the Levant was just a cline, less WHG as you go east into Anatolia and the Levant)

Here's how they plot:



Target: TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
Distance: 2.4239% / 0.02423947
79.2 TUR_Barcin_N
10.8 Levant_Natufian
10.0 GEO_CHG

Here is how some southern Euro groups score with the original model:

Spoiler!

Target: Italian_Campania
Distance: 1.4499% / 0.01449917
45.8 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
24.2 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
17.4 TUR_Barcin_N
5.4 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
4.6 Levant_PPNB
1.4 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
1.0 MAR_Taforalt
0.2 WHG

Target: Italian_Calabria
Distance: 1.4735% / 0.01473534
56.2 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
22.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
11.8 TUR_Barcin_N
5.4 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
2.0 MAR_Taforalt
1.8 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
0.4 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2_I8728
0.2 ETH_4500BP
0.2 Han

Target: Romanian
Distance: 3.0504% / 0.03050398
40.6 TUR_Barcin_N
37.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
11.8 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
9.2 Baltic_LVA_HG
0.8 Han

Target: Greek_Thessaly
Distance: 2.0052% / 0.02005160
38.0 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
33.8 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
25.4 TUR_Barcin_N
2.4 Baltic_LVA_HG
0.2 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2_I8728
0.2 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps

Here's what they score without Tepecik_Ciftlik:

Spoiler!

Target: Romanian
Distance: 3.1212% / 0.03121237
50.4 TUR_Barcin_N
39.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
8.6 Baltic_LVA_HG
1.2 Levant_PPNB
0.2 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2_I8728

Target: Greek_Thessaly
Distance: 2.2164% / 0.02216424
52.2 TUR_Barcin_N
30.8 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
10.4 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
3.6 Baltic_LVA_HG
2.8 Levant_PPNB
0.2 MAR_Taforalt

Target: Italian_Campania
Distance: 1.6738% / 0.01673828
44.8 TUR_Barcin_N
22.4 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
13.8 Levant_PPNB
13.4 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
4.0 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
1.0 WHG
0.6 MAR_Taforalt

Target: Italian_Calabria
Distance: 1.8066% / 0.01806627
45.8 TUR_Barcin_N
20.8 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
15.2 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
11.6 Levant_PPNB
3.8 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
1.6 MAR_Taforalt
0.8 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2_I8728
0.4 WHG

So, old model/new w/o Tepecik model Anatolian farmer %:
Romanian: 52.4%/50.4%
Calabria: 68%/45.8%
Campania: 63.2%/44.8%
Greek_Thessaly: 63.4%/52.2%

Should also include the other ancestries in the map, even though most Europeans don't have them, it's still relevant. No post-neolithic MENA begins at Basques and Central French.

Spoiler!

Target: French_Auvergne
Distance: 3.1202% / 0.03120158
52.0 TUR_Barcin_N
34.8 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
10.6 WHG
2.6 Baltic_LVA_HG

25% ENF ancestry among Finns? This makes no sense... Not only that Finland was never in the path of ENF: it was populated by Mesolithic Hunter-Gatherers before Aryans came, but also it has lowest concentration in Europe (near absence, that is) of any ENF / West Asian phenotypes: almost no meds, alpines, dinarics, etc. As always, racial anthropology matches history much better than genetic mumbo-jumbo

Aryan aka "Steppe" ancestry is also over-inflated, Mesolithic HG extremely underestimated (judging how MUCH more common today are indigenous CM-derivative phenotypes than Corded). Perhaps the two should be taken together? Anyway, I don't see any value in these results:

- Southern Italians (Neapolitans, Calabrians) just SLIGHTLY less Aryan than French (25% vs 35%)... Former area cannot have, historically speaking (as confirmed by phenotypes) more than 10% influence: it was briefly invaded by Italics then Greeks started to build cities on the coast but not only those two were very mixed already (definitely not pred. Aryan to begin with), the bulk of the population remained more or less unaffected since pre-Italic times (hence Meds, Alpines, Dinarics and even Armenoids pretty much everywhere)

Of course Finns have EEF, please stop doing drugs.


(Battle Axe culture in Finland)




(but most Scandinavian admixture in Finns is from the Iron Age, not medieval Sweden or Imperial Sweden)

Also, Calabrians have 20% steppe admixture, people around Naples 22%, central French have 35%, N. French have 39%, those are all big enough differences.

nope, there's Moldova and Moldova outliers, and the former is southern Moldovans afaik in G25, so the result is southern-shifted anyway, plus, I only show those 4 components, not any other one, some add to 98 some to less, as I cannot show the 22 components in the map, it is to show these 4 main sources of ancestry, which actually is 3 strong sources for almost all populations, individually anyone can check anything, you have the calc in the OP, the map is to show general tendencies, for Moldovans an average would probably be slughtly more northenrn than that with better sampling. 1% lower or highers is ridiculous to talk about, not the point of the map, it is about general picture, not individual populations, on which it is relevant where the highest and the lowest % are found on the continent (Basques, Sardinians, Balts for example)

The results for Finns are absolutely correct, there's no need to give any credence to his pseudo-science garbage.

Imagine thinking anyone in modern Europe can be unadmixed with any other components very common in Europeans. Finns are literally 35% Scandinavian(where EEFs did reach), Corded Ware ware did reach Finland, Finnic speakers aren't even from Finland but further south, where again, many Indo-European groups reached. Corded Ware did have significant EEF ancestry, even that guy's pseudo scientist anthropologists thought Corded Ware were a mix of Kurganoids and European farmers from Poland/Ukraine.

[Dick]

My semen are 100% WHG

[aherne]

Target: Italian_Campania
Distance: 1.4499% / 0.01449917
45.8 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
24.2 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
17.4 TUR_Barcin_N
5.4 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
4.6 Levant_PPNB
1.4 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
1.0 MAR_Taforalt
0.2 WHG

Southern Italy is the textbook example of push and pull. Most of the Yamna is Italic or Germanic.

Sorry to tell you, but these calculations seem incorrect: where is the indigenous Mesolithic element here (1%: this is fucking ridiculous)? If you ever visited that region you will see its expression at least as (un)common as Corded... IMHO we have history written to our faces: maybe in the future these results will be more accurate but so far (unfortunately) good old racial anthropology yields better results