Dodecad k12b West & Central Asian results Vol 4.

**Leto** · 05-24-2021, 04:49 PM

Originally Posted by Kaspias

@Leto

Crimean Tatars

Around half are from the Balkans, a few are from the Crimean Peninsula, two are from around Melitopol, three are from the Kuban.

Hi, thanks. But Kuban has no Crimean Tatars, they must belong to some other group, I would guess the Kuban Nogais. Mainland Russia has virtually no Crimean Tatars.

I'm afraid you just averaged samples from different subgroups.

**Kaspias** · 05-24-2021, 05:10 PM

Originally Posted by Leto

Hi, thanks. But Kuban has no Crimean Tatars, they must belong to some other group, I would guess the Kuban Nogais. Mainland Russia has virtually no Crimean Tatars.

I'm afraid you just averaged samples from different subgroups.

Around 1/3 of Crimean Tatars in population-wise, who lives/lived in the Balkans and the Crimean Peninsula identify as Nogay as well. The borders between Crimean Tatars and Nogais are pretty much disappeared in the last 200 years. Many identify under "Nogay tribe" of Crimean Tatars. That's why I included Kuban Nogais to the average and called them Crimean Tatars.

However, when excluding them(14-15-16 in the table, one of them were mixed with actual Crimean Tatars already)

Code:

Crimean_Tatar_Steppe,9.09,13.33,0.18,2.44,12.30,25.18,1.81,0.06,3.51,16.57,15.53,0.00

**Leto** · 05-24-2021, 05:38 PM

Originally Posted by Kaspias

Around 1/3 of Crimean Tatars in population-wise, who lives/lived in the Balkans and the Crimean Peninsula identify as Nogay as well. The borders between Crimean Tatars and Nogais are pretty much disappeared in the last 200 years. Many identify under "Nogay tribe" of Crimean Tatars. That's why I included Kuban Nogais to the average and called them Crimean Tatars.

However, when excluding them(14-15-16 in the table, one of them were mixed with actual Crimean Tatars already)

Code:

Crimean_Tatar_Steppe,9.09,13.33,0.18,2.44,12.30,25.18,1.81,0.06,3.51,16.57,15.53,0.00

I don't know then. Still not sure Steppe Crimeans and Caucasian Nogais are the same. Let's not delete the old CT Steppe average for now.

**Leto** · 05-26-2021, 12:25 PM

The first and last name are completely Russian but the results are as follows:

Gedrosia 19.61 Pct
Siberian 0.43 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 7.31 Pct
North_European 8.71 Pct
South_Asian 0.77 Pct
East_African 0.58 Pct
Southwest_Asian 7.82 Pct
East_Asian 0.13 Pct
Caucasus 54.63 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Distance to: Andrey
2.54776373 Turk_Ahiska
3.61581250 Georgian
5.56388354 Georgian_Imereti
5.90591229 Georgian_Gurian
6.00285765 Abkhazian
6.17561333 Laz
6.18211938 Georgian_Adjara
6.56112033 Hemshin
7.66453521 Turk_East_Black_Sea
7.71210088 Georgian_Mingrelian

Distance to: Andrey
1.23764604 63.60% Georgian_Imereti + 36.40% Udi_Azerbaijan
1.28412412 39.40% Georgian + 60.60% Turk_Ahiska
1.30964630 22.40% Georgian_Mingrelian + 77.60% Turk_Ahiska
1.32005833 22.00% Georgian_Svan + 78.00% Turk_Ahiska
1.33483023 27.40% Georgian_Gurian + 72.60% Turk_Ahiska
1.33546790 55.40% Georgian_Mingrelian + 44.60% Udi_Azerbaijan
1.37768161 24.80% Chechen + 75.20% Georgian_Adjara
1.40745141 18.20% Dargin_Kaitag + 81.80% Georgian_Adjara
1.44669651 76.40% Georgian + 23.60% Turk_East
1.46853222 28.00% Georgian_Imereti + 72.00% Turk_Ahiska

**Sterling Archer** · 05-28-2021, 01:33 PM

Azerbaijani from Sheki (75%) and Ilisu, Zagatala(25%). Probably the highest Caucasus component I have seen in Azerbaijanis.
Y-DNA: R-Y22151

Gedrosia 20.12
Siberian 1.7
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 0.5
Atlantic_Med 7.39
North_European 11.09
South_Asian 1.57
East_African 0.14
Southwest_Asian 10.11
East_Asian 1.84
Caucasus 45.54
Sub_Saharan -

Distance to: Azerb_Sheki
3.78421722 Udi_Azerbaijan
5.71253884 Turk_East
6.68650881 Azerbaijani_Turkey
6.86392745 Azerbaijani_Republic
7.57564519 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
8.13717396 Talysh_Azerbaijan
8.46773287 Azerbaijani_Iran
8.52083329 Turk_Ahiska
8.87113296 Adyghe
9.10073074 Armenian_East
9.27006472 Kurd_Kurmanji
9.32092270 Turk_Central_East
9.82341590 Turk_Southeast
9.99746468 Ossetian
10.14399330 Ingush
10.57506501 Circassian
10.64976526 Karachay
10.67431028 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
10.75471524 Abazin
10.98790244 Ossetian_South
11.29729614 Yazidi_Kurd
11.40828208 Turk_South
11.64819299 Turkmen_Iraq
11.71990188 Kabardin
11.79194640 Balkar

**Dr_Maul** · 05-28-2021, 02:13 PM

Originally Posted by Sterling Archer

Azerbaijani from Sheki (75%) and Ilisu, Zagatala(25%). Probably the highest Caucasus component I have seen in Azerbaijanis.
Y-DNA: R-Y22151

Gedrosia 20.12
Siberian 1.7
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 0.5
Atlantic_Med 7.39
North_European 11.09
South_Asian 1.57
East_African 0.14
Southwest_Asian 10.11
East_Asian 1.84
Caucasus 45.54
Sub_Saharan -

Distance to: Azerb_Sheki
3.78421722 Udi_Azerbaijan
5.71253884 Turk_East
6.68650881 Azerbaijani_Turkey
6.86392745 Azerbaijani_Republic
7.57564519 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
8.13717396 Talysh_Azerbaijan
8.46773287 Azerbaijani_Iran
8.52083329 Turk_Ahiska
8.87113296 Adyghe
9.10073074 Armenian_East
9.27006472 Kurd_Kurmanji
9.32092270 Turk_Central_East
9.82341590 Turk_Southeast
9.99746468 Ossetian
10.14399330 Ingush
10.57506501 Circassian
10.64976526 Karachay
10.67431028 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
10.75471524 Abazin
10.98790244 Ossetian_South
11.29729614 Yazidi_Kurd
11.40828208 Turk_South
11.64819299 Turkmen_Iraq
11.71990188 Kabardin
11.79194640 Balkar

Viking possible?

**Sterling Archer** · 05-28-2021, 02:37 PM

Originally Posted by Dr_Maul

Viking possible?

Who knows? Maybe broadly Indo-European and not specifically Nordic.
Here is another one, this time from Nakhchivan, who also has a similar haplogroup R-Z30597. Also confined to the British Isles.
https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-Z30597/

**Fedora** · 05-28-2021, 03:41 PM

Originally Posted by Gecko

Idk from which period, but it is an ancient sample from Central Anatolia.

AncientCentAnato
Gedrosia: 0 Pct
Siberian: 0 Pct
NW-African: 2.72 Pct
SE-Asian: 0.43 Pct
Atl_Med: 47.91 Pct
North European: 4.32 Pct
South Asian: 0 Pct
East African: 0 Pct
SW-Asian: 11.6 Pct
East Asian: 0 Pct
Caucasus: 31.47 Pct
SSA: 1.55 Pct

Target: AncientCentAnato
Distance: 5.3401% / 5.34012202 | ADC: 0.25x RC
71.6 Sardinian
28.4 Greek_Cypriot

Target: AncientCentAnato
Distance: 6.0815% / 6.08154004 | ADC: 0.5x RC
66.3 Sardinian
21.4 Sephardic_Jews
12.3 Greek_Icaria

Target: AncientCentAnato
Distance: 6.1541% / 6.15406915 | ADC: 1x RC
65.9 Sardinian
34.1 Sephardic_Jews

There was an CHG influx after the neolothic period in anatolia. ancient results resemble sardinians, but CHG input later changed the genetic make up completely.

**Dr_Maul** · 05-28-2021, 04:40 PM

Originally Posted by Sterling Archer

Who knows? Maybe broadly Indo-European and not specifically Nordic.
Here is another one, this time from Nakhchivan, who also has a similar haplogroup R-Z30597. Also confined to the British Isles.
https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-Z30597/

Both haplogroups are not particularly "deep" so yeah could be anything. Also migrations from anatolia to the area could have brought Varangian or Galatian lineages

**Sterling Archer** · 05-28-2021, 05:18 PM

Originally Posted by Dr_Maul

Both haplogroups are not particularly "deep" so yeah could be anything. Also migrations from anatolia to the area could have brought Varangian or Galatian lineages

In regards to Varangians the interesting thing is, there are clusters of I1 in the Northern Azerbaijan in places like Gabala, Agdash, Gusar. These are probably part of the Varangian raids.
Apparently, they used to raid the area from Volga through the Caspian sea.