Post your top 50 closest modern populations using Global25 Vahaduo

**Luke35** · 10-12-2021, 09:51 PM

Originally Posted by Nurzat

that's strange, I am closer to Austrian average than you, real Austrian, it seems. I wouldn't be surprised of bad sampling/outliers included, it happens for some populations in the G25 source:

0.02811488 Austrian

I suspect there is quite a large autosomal variation in Austria, from West to East, so unfortunately the G25 average may not capture quite a few Austrians. I believe Noricum represents an eastern Austrian, in fact nobody would blink an eye if he claimed he was Hungarian, based on how he usually scores. We need an Austria_West and an Austria_East, imo.

Anyway, Noricum knows better about this than I do.

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My mother is a good example of this same phenomenon in Germany. Germany has substantial autosomal variation, so the average sits notably to the east of my mother, who is of mostly West/South German descent:

Distance to: Mr.G_mom_scaled
0.01718004 Belgian
0.01785431 French_Nord
0.01835402 German
0.01844219 French_Brittany
0.01943513 French_Alsace
0.01963617 Welsh
0.02059467 English_Cornwall
0.02157146 English
0.02219506 French_Seine-Maritime
0.02293698 French_Paris
0.02300687 Swiss_German
0.02377568 Afrikaner
0.02429929 Dutch
0.02470447 Scottish
0.02649325 Orcadian
0.02655482 French_Pas-de-Calais
0.02687987 Austrian
0.02781684 Shetlandic
0.02852380 Irish
0.02931138 Danish
0.03356158 French_Occitanie
0.03460814 Norwegian
0.03536319 Icelandic
0.03571231 German_East
0.03659706 French_Auvergne

**DontFxxkWithWendy** · 10-13-2021, 12:31 AM

Originally Posted by Mr.G

I suspect there is quite a large autosomal variation in Austria, from West to East, so unfortunately the G25 average may not capture quite a few Austrians. I believe Noricum represents an eastern Austrian, in fact nobody would blink an eye if he claimed he was Hungarian, based on how he usually scores. We need an Austria_West and an Austria_East, imo.

Anyway, Noricum knows better about this than I do.

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My mother is a good example of this same phenomenon in Germany. Germany has substantial autosomal variation, so the average sits notably to the east of my mother, who is of mostly West/South German descent:

Distance to: Mr.G_mom_scaled
0.01718004 Belgian
0.01785431 French_Nord
0.01835402 German
0.01844219 French_Brittany
0.01943513 French_Alsace
0.01963617 Welsh
0.02059467 English_Cornwall
0.02157146 English
0.02219506 French_Seine-Maritime
0.02293698 French_Paris
0.02300687 Swiss_German
0.02377568 Afrikaner
0.02429929 Dutch
0.02470447 Scottish
0.02649325 Orcadian
0.02655482 French_Pas-de-Calais
0.02687987 Austrian
0.02781684 Shetlandic
0.02852380 Irish
0.02931138 Danish
0.03356158 French_Occitanie
0.03460814 Norwegian
0.03536319 Icelandic
0.03571231 German_East
0.03659706 French_Auvergne

Does she get any French ancestor locations in 23andme? I have a significant amount of southwest German ancestry and can often be modeled as 40-50% French/Belgian on G25, and I’m wondering if it reflects genuine French ancestry especially if I get locations for it in 23andme. (I had many non-paternity events in my family so there are a lot of question marks)

**Luke35** · 10-13-2021, 12:43 AM

Originally Posted by DontFxxkWithWendy

Does she get any French ancestor locations in 23andme? I have a significant amount of southwest German ancestry and can often be modeled as 40-50% French/Belgian on G25, and I’m wondering if it reflects genuine French ancestry especially if I get locations for it in 23andme. (I had many non-paternity events in my family so there are a lot of question marks)

No, she did not get any French ancestor locations. But like you she can be modeled as significantly French/Belgian. Besides Western and Southern German, my mother has an English great-grandparent and distant Prussian ancestry.

So, you scored French regions on your 23andMe test?

Here is my mother's full result if you want to take a look:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...her-s)-23andMe

**Grace O'Malley** · 10-13-2021, 12:58 AM

I've most probably posted already. I don't think the Global 25 has been updated for a while.

Modern Averaged

Distance to: Grace_scaled
0.01848790 Irish
0.01914452 Icelandic
0.01963632 Scottish
0.01980300 Orcadian
0.02067727 Danish
0.02206228 English
0.02219810 Welsh
0.02336456 Norwegian
0.02454052 English_Cornwall
0.02458960 Dutch
0.02493577 Shetlandic
0.02678893 Swedish
0.02758167 French_Brittany
0.03333011 German
0.03777837 Afrikaner
0.04070340 Belgian
0.04111373 French_Seine-Maritime
0.04124589 French_Pas-de-Calais
0.04377645 German_East
0.04383614 French_Nord
0.04754192 Austrian
0.04759052 French_Alsace
0.04761548 French_Paris
0.04816810 Czech
0.05029695 Swiss_German

Target: Grace_scaled
Distance: 1.6901% / 0.01690068
53.8 Irish
38.2 Icelandic
7.0 Swedish
0.6 Lak
0.4 Basque_Spanish

Single Modern

Distance to: Grace_scaled
0.02080582 Icelandic:NA15765
0.02084128 English_Cornwall:HG00243
0.02224834 Orcadian:HGDP00803
0.02233404 Irish:Irish44
0.02239239 Irish:Irish50
0.02245942 Irish:Irish51
0.02247733 Welsh:WAL001
0.02254768 Orcadian:HGDP00797
0.02262354 Welsh:WalesCHF13
0.02315865 Irish:516
0.02339658 Welsh:WAL004
0.02363597 Scottish:Scottish15
0.02374841 English_Cornwall:HG00160
0.02378624 Orcadian:HGDP00799
0.02403176 Danish

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0.02419492 Welsh:WalesL44
0.02420153 Orcadian:HGDP00804
0.02425417 Icelandic:NA15759
0.02439838 Icelandic:NA15766
0.02473368 Irish:Irish54
0.02477843 Irish:Irish2
0.02480962 Scottish:Scottish12
0.02511043 Scottish:Scottish9
0.02511240 Scottish:Scottish18
0.02526315 Scottish:Scottish24

Target: Grace_scaled
Distance: 0.6586% / 0.00658639
58.8 Irish
19.6 Dutch
10.8 Norwegian
8.4 Swedish
1.6 Icelandic
0.8 Basque_Spanish

**DontFxxkWithWendy** · 10-13-2021, 12:58 AM

Originally Posted by Mr.G

No, she did not get any French ancestor locations. But like you she can be modeled as significantly French/Belgian. Besides Western and Southern German, my mother has an English great-grandparent and distant Prussian ancestry.

So, you scored French regions on your 23andMe test?

Here is my mother's full result if you want to take a look:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...her-s)-23andMe

Yes, I get a high likelihood for Grand-Est, Normandy and Hauts-de-France. Not sure who in my family was French, but my paternal aunt gets a good amount of French when modeling her G25 coordinates so I’m assuming it came from my paternal grandma’s estranged biological father.

Here is a good run for my aunt and I. I used an individual Belgian sample because the others inflate my British and Jewish ancestry and underestimate my French/German side (I get about 50% on 23andme which sounds about right).

Target: DFWWAunt_scaled
Distance: 2.0430% / 0.02043042 | ADC: 0.25x RC
43.2 French_Alsace
28.6 Shetlandic
14.0 Belgium20
12.4 French_Paris
1.8 French_Pas-de-Calais

Target: DFWW_scaled
Distance: 2.4361% / 0.02436086 | ADC: 0.25x RC
50.0 Belgium20
31.6 Shetlandic
12.2 Italian_Jew
6.2 French_Alsace

**~~JamesBond007~~** · 10-13-2021, 01:48 AM

Originally Posted by Grace O'Malley

I don't think the Global 25 has been updated for a while.

Nope. does not seem to be the case and in any event that does no mean my results would have changed , anyway , per se. I twas last updated in january it seems :

Distance to: Kevin_scaled
0.02865262 Dutch
0.02966312 Norwegian
0.03097093 Welsh
0.03119617 Irish
0.03153596 Scottish
0.03173767 English
0.03211816 Danish
0.03264251 Orcadian
0.03323573 French_Brittany
0.03424261 English_Cornwall
0.03434002 Shetlandic
0.03436262 Afrikaner
0.03554655 Icelandic
0.03738947 German
0.03848071 Swedish
0.03928185 Belgian
0.03989769 French_Pas-de-Calais
0.04385265 French_Nord
0.04392491 French_Paris
0.04724802 French_Alsace
0.04744540 Austrian
0.04848583 French_Seine-Maritime
0.04923277 Swiss_German
0.05276384 German_East
0.05488643 Czech
0.05583738 Hungarian
0.05660079 French_Occitanie
0.05885390 Slovakian
0.05975983 French_Auvergne
0.06042822 Swiss_French
0.06270486 Slovenian
0.06348453 Croatian
0.06477002 Italian_Aosta_Valley
0.06541143 French_Provence
0.06995748 Moldovan_o
0.07022705 Bosnian
0.07053234 Montenegrin
0.07088009 Spanish_Penedes
0.07108183 Spanish_Soria
0.07135748 Polish
0.07240807 Spanish_Girona
0.07252412 Moldovan
0.07341031 Spanish_Catalunya_Central
0.07347253 Italian_Northeast
0.07379298 Spanish_Barcelones
0.07448759 Sorb_Niederlausitz
0.07450079 Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona
0.07467967 Serbian
0.07484687 Spanish_Mallorca
0.07490466 Spanish_Lleida

Target: Kevin_scaled
Distance: 2.5583% / 0.02558347 | ADC: 0.5x RC
60.4 Norwegian
24.2 Dutch
15.4 Spanish_Soria

^ 0.5 RC seems to be my best COL DISTANCE for me at least it adds the 24.2 Dutch which seems to be a proxy for my Germanic grandmother from Alsace-Lorraine etc..

Unscaled :

Distance to: Kevin
0.01957079 Norwegian
0.02022574 Welsh
0.02057790 Dutch
0.02140719 French_Brittany
0.02155065 English
0.02170391 Danish
0.02180877 Irish
0.02241462 Scottish
0.02246598 French_Pas-de-Calais
0.02249977 Afrikaner
0.02254314 French_Paris
0.02270386 Belgian
0.02282721 English_Cornwall
0.02345864 Orcadian
0.02365865 Icelandic
0.02378183 Shetlandic
0.02466289 French_Nord
0.02490850 Swedish
0.02506509 German
0.02670797 French_Alsace
0.02720588 Swiss_German
0.02761333 Italian_Aosta_Valley
0.02882286 Swiss_French
0.02949398 French_Seine-Maritime
0.02949903 French_Occitanie
0.02977423 French_Provence
0.03024686 French_Auvergne
0.03213150 Austrian
0.03422887 Spanish_Penedes
0.03469048 Spanish_Catalunya_Central
0.03469103 Spanish_Girona
0.03500095 Spanish_Mallorca
0.03595958 Spanish_Lleida
0.03596493 Spanish_Peri-Barcelona
0.03622749 Spanish_Castello
0.03648756 Spanish_Baleares
0.03664134 Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona
0.03667653 Spanish_Soria
0.03692743 Italian_Northeast
0.03732972 Spanish_Cataluna
0.03744525 Spanish_Barcelones
0.03768962 German_East
0.03794313 Spanish_Alacant
0.03836526 Italian_Veneto
0.03851834 Spanish_Eivissa
0.03855112 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
0.03868132 Spanish_Cantabria
0.03880843 Czech
0.03895535 Swiss_Italian
0.03934746 Spanish_Navarra

Target: Kevin
Distance: 1.7033% / 0.01703347 | ADC: 0.25x RC
72.4 Norwegian
22.2 Spanish_Soria
4.2 Tajik_Shugnan
1.2 Greenlander_East

**Nurzat** · 10-13-2021, 03:26 AM

Originally Posted by Mr.G

I suspect there is quite a large autosomal variation in Austria, from West to East, so unfortunately the G25 average may not capture quite a few Austrians. I believe Noricum represents an eastern Austrian, in fact nobody would blink an eye if he claimed he was Hungarian, based on how he usually scores. We need an Austria_West and an Austria_East, imo.

sure, but the interesting implication that I had in mind is that there could be some overlap or at least closeness even between Romanians and Austrians

which to some would sound unexpected.

then, regional sampling would be best for bigger populations, a Romanian average is less relevant than at least a Transylvania/Moldova/Wallachia would be

**J. Ketch** · 10-13-2021, 03:32 AM

Distance to: Creoda_scaled
0.01721798 Orcadian
0.01847653 Scottish
0.02001805 Irish
0.02087370 English
0.02090097 English_Cornwall
0.02218451 Icelandic
0.02279147 Welsh
0.02362388 Danish
0.02385523 Shetlandic
0.02385536 Dutch
0.02685711 French_Brittany
0.02758923 Norwegian
0.03035571 Swedish
0.03378111 German
0.03515967 Afrikaner
0.03846818 Belgian
0.04137301 French_Seine-Maritime
0.04150325 German_East
0.04256961 French_Nord
0.04289187 French_Pas-de-Calais
0.04510575 French_Paris
0.04544095 French_Alsace
0.04773904 Austrian
0.04789676 Swiss_German
0.05116708 Czech
0.05435757 Hungarian
0.05575272 French_Occitanie
0.05976594 Slovenian
0.06027847 French_Auvergne
0.06155476 Croatian
0.06453387 Swiss_French
0.06479414 Slovakian
0.06642647 Polish
0.06885667 French_Provence
0.06975181 Polish_Kashubian
0.07109861 Italian_Aosta_Valley
0.07117079 Spanish_Barcelones
0.07181800 Sorb_Niederlausitz
0.07292298 Bosnian
0.07330683 Spanish_Penedes
0.07351492 Spanish_Pais_Vasco
0.07392542 Moldovan
0.07430954 Basque_French
0.07432636 Moldovan_o
0.07433226 French_South
0.07452709 Ukrainian
0.07486690 Spanish_Girona
0.07496720 Spanish_Catalunya_Central
0.07553988 Montenegrin
0.07564376 Spanish_Lleida

Distance to: CreodaMum_scaled
0.01886201 Welsh
0.02002575 Dutch
0.02098823 Danish
0.02105966 Scottish
0.02114182 English
0.02167288 Orcadian
0.02183018 Norwegian
0.02218829 Shetlandic
0.02226220 Irish
0.02288413 French_Brittany
0.02406696 English_Cornwall
0.02451632 German
0.02504237 Icelandic
0.02747338 Swedish
0.02953259 Afrikaner
0.03180125 Belgian
0.03353733 French_Pas-de-Calais
0.03544758 French_Seine-Maritime
0.03566017 French_Nord
0.03765100 Austrian
0.03848379 French_Paris
0.03877706 French_Alsace
0.03968895 German_East
0.04066228 Swiss_German
0.04332311 Czech
0.04562749 Hungarian
0.05068011 French_Occitanie
0.05094482 Slovakian
0.05203010 Slovenian
0.05249821 Croatian
0.05357219 French_Auvergne
0.05420122 Swiss_French
0.06067604 Polish
0.06083401 French_Provence
0.06153914 Italian_Aosta_Valley
0.06188819 Bosnian
0.06319658 Montenegrin
0.06335397 Moldovan_o
0.06424242 Moldovan
0.06431257 Sorb_Niederlausitz
0.06622423 Serbian
0.06671134 Spanish_Penedes
0.06726681 Italian_Northeast
0.06745615 Ukrainian
0.06822420 Spanish_Girona
0.06830071 Spanish_Barcelones
0.06864782 Spanish_Catalunya_Central
0.06965395 Romanian
0.07006557 Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona
0.07020697 Cossack_Ukrainian

Distance to: CreodaDad_scaled
0.02309102 Orcadian
0.02408025 Icelandic
0.02433498 Scottish
0.02581840 Irish
0.02731585 English_Cornwall
0.02732138 English
0.02740922 Danish
0.02929440 Welsh
0.02977876 Shetlandic
0.03036280 Dutch
0.03200460 Norwegian
0.03236241 Swedish
0.03381089 French_Brittany
0.03827258 German
0.04038099 Afrikaner
0.04068452 German_East
0.04507231 Belgian
0.04534435 French_Seine-Maritime
0.04829674 French_Nord
0.04995815 French_Pas-de-Calais
0.05045440 Czech
0.05095683 French_Alsace
0.05112569 Austrian
0.05237664 French_Paris
0.05365251 Swiss_German
0.05589842 Hungarian
0.06114631 Slovenian
0.06118896 French_Occitanie
0.06276237 Croatian
0.06455225 Polish
0.06460113 Polish_Kashubian
0.06564696 Slovakian
0.06631307 French_Auvergne
0.06964011 Sorb_Niederlausitz
0.07063782 Swiss_French
0.07253272 Ukrainian
0.07417212 Cossack_Ukrainian
0.07429742 Moldovan_o
0.07440461 Bosnian
0.07526485 French_Provence
0.07615920 Moldovan
0.07626299 Russian_Voronez
0.07649857 Russian_Orel
0.07658131 Russian_Smolensk
0.07660487 Spanish_Barcelones
0.07684671 Finnish
0.07740109 Italian_Aosta_Valley
0.07778908 Russian_Belgorod
0.07782198 Russian_Kursk
0.07783901 Spanish_Pais_Vasco

**oszkar07** · 10-13-2021, 09:30 AM

How weird are these Calculators.
On this version of G25 Im closer to Hungarian sample than you.
Of course you are more autosomally Hungarian than me, I just noticed these numbers.

Oszk : 0.02924786 Hungarian

Originally Posted by Gergő Marosvári

Distance to: Gergő_scaled
0.03423159 Slovakian
0.03692710 Moldovan_o
0.03776216 Hungarian
0.03829125 Czech
0.03888410 Croatian
0.04163630 Bosnian
0.04178769 Slovenian
0.04252528 Austrian
0.04573388 Polish
0.04583361 Ukrainian
0.04640265 Sorb_Niederlausitz
0.04763469 Moldovan
0.04766800 German_East
0.04930730 Russian_Belgorod
0.04951424 Montenegrin
0.05031398 German
0.05100800 Cossack_Ukrainian
0.05160804 Serbian
0.05365435 Russian_Ryazan
0.05479758 Russian_Voronez
0.05512210 Russian_Kursk
0.05530014 Russian_Orel
0.05618554 Afrikaner
0.05748194 Russian_Smolensk
0.05809569 Romanian

Distance to: Ilona_scaled (my grandmother)
0.02627925 German_East
0.02633939 Czech
0.03034683 Hungarian
0.03255849 Slovenian
0.03353411 Croatian
0.03514131 Polish
0.03888014 Ukrainian
0.03966673 Austrian
0.04005930 Slovakian
0.04122701 German
0.04157396 Moldovan_o
0.04240227 Cossack_Ukrainian
0.04259628 Sorb_Niederlausitz
0.04276380 Russian_Voronez
0.04381259 Russian_Belgorod
0.04402314 Bosnian
0.04434872 Polish_Kashubian
0.04442265 Russian_Orel
0.04474273 Russian_Smolensk
0.04590915 Swedish
0.04755819 Russian_Kursk
0.04756920 Belarusian
0.04795954 Moldovan
0.04876427 Danish
0.04916188 Russian_Ryazan

Distance to: Katalin_scaled (my mother)
0.02210203 Hungarian
0.02248301 Croatian
0.02458550 Slovenian
0.02583094 Czech
0.02813719 Moldovan_o
0.02918071 Slovakian
0.03101543 Bosnian
0.03111736 German_East
0.03134237 Austrian
0.03333764 Polish
0.03502385 Ukrainian
0.03581033 Moldovan
0.03683459 Sorb_Niederlausitz
0.03952097 Serbian
0.03956850 Russian_Belgorod
0.04122092 German
0.04170474 Montenegrin
0.04177041 Cossack_Ukrainian
0.04340699 Russian_Orel
0.04404532 Russian_Voronez
0.04514814 Russian_Kursk
0.04543958 Russian_Ryazan
0.04630794 Russian_Smolensk
0.04894594 Romanian
0.04970524 Afrikaner

**Ajeje Brazorf** · 10-13-2021, 01:27 PM

Code:

Distance to:	Ajeje_Brazorf_scaled
0.01527052	Italian_Campania
0.01828729	Italian_Basilicata
0.01893976	Italian_Apulia
0.01966552	Italian_Calabria
0.02057558	Sicilian_East
0.02238168	Italian_Abruzzo
0.02343119	Ashkenazi_Germany
0.02382586	Maltese
0.02546476	Italian_Molise
0.02627601	Greek_Crete
0.02633205	Italian_Lazio
0.02656083	Sicilian_West
0.02668553	Ashkenazi_Poland
0.02715113	Italian_Jew
0.02779183	Ashkenazi_Belarussia
0.02817368	Ashkenazi_Ukraine
0.02954357	Greek_Izmir
0.02984856	Ashkenazi_Lithuania
0.03005738	Greek_Kos
0.03021002	Ukrainian_Zhytomyr_o
0.03068042	Ashkenazi_Russia
0.03098956	Greek_Dodecanese
0.03314027	Italian_Marche
0.03345160	Greek_Laconia
0.03352981	Italian_Umbria
0.03546639	Sephardic_Jew
0.03710541	Romaniote_Jew
0.03751726	Greek_Peloponnese
0.03791062	Sephardic_Jew_o
0.04259432	Italian_Tuscany
0.04516408	Greek_Thessaly
0.04745735	Moroccan_Jew
0.04900674	French_Corsica
0.05001621	Cypriot
0.05164453	Albanian
0.05200017	Greek_Macedonia
0.05234232	Italian_Piedmont
0.05257098	Greek_Central_Macedonia
0.05321538	Syrian_Jew
0.05389251	Rumelia_East
0.05534166	Swiss_Italian
0.05703260	Greek_Central_Anatolia
0.05876439	Libyan_Jew
0.05898415	Tunisian_Jew
0.06077317	Italian_Lombardy
0.06116158	Greek_Cappadocia
0.06149831	Italian_Liguria
0.06355050	Italian_Bergamo
0.06701903	Italian_Veneto
0.06705947	Druze