23andme results Brazilians & Argentines vs White American results

[Argentano]

Interestingly, the Argentines and Brazilians are more Italian than the Americans are German.

If i divide Argentina and Brazil i think the argentine is significantly more italian than the brazilian.

Well it's a trivial fact that the European admixture of South Americans comes from Iberia + Italy = Southwest Europe (mostly in the region of South Brazil, Argentina and Uruguay); while for White Americans, it comes from British Islands, Ireland, Germany-France (Northwest Europe)

Yes but i expected more german in Brazil/Argentina and more Italian in USA

Among white Americans their is way more Italian ancestry blood than Portuguese-Spanish. According to these results im i seeing more Portuguese-Spanish ancestry than Italian among White Americans?

Maybe that happened because i used erronkari cousins and he is fully iberian. Also some of the americans with french ancestry (louisiana or canadian american) score some iberian.

If i add my cousins italian will for sure increase in americans.

Cuantas muestras fueron Argentano?

41 para USA White
27 para Argentina/Brazil

Very cool, Iberian is comparable with British and Italian is comparable with german. Two clearly paralels.

Just two doubts:

Why not americans over 80 or 90% euro too? I thought a considerable amount of white americans are 98/97/96% european.

Why not to divide Brazil and Argentina?

Most white americans scoring 85-96% European in 23andme had Hispanic ancestry so i thought that was inacurate for a "white american" sample

Brazil and Argentina i tried to use all i had

Vamos, mi mujer, como italiana-argentina, se siente más cómoda en España que en Italia (creo que los italoargentinos emigran preferentemente a España y no a Italia). De hecho, la gente piensa que es una española normal hasta que escuchan su acento. Yo al menos veo a los españoles y a los italianos (sobre todo los del norte como mi chica) como básicamente la misma gente. Pero la gente en estos foros parece tener cierta rivalidad...

El alejamiento de la raíz española es todo parte de lo que esos masones sembraron con sus "independencias". Pues es más jugoso que un pueblo eche pestes de sus orígenes con una sarta de gilipolleces como un templo, que la verdad. Cuando lo que no habían logrado los anglosajones con el pirateo lo lograron a través de las logias y la política .

Hay muchos mas italo argentinos en España que en Italia. Eso es un hecho.

[El_Jibaro]

Claro, esa es una de las tantas espadas de la Leyenda Negra aunque hay varias más.
Mañana desarrollaré un poquito más, sólo quería mencionarte que soy parte del Círculo Hispanista de Buenos Ayres y todos estos temas nos apasiona tratarlos.
No soy un experto en historia ni menos en geopolítica, la geografía es mi campo, pero todo lo anterior me interesa mucho y con mis compañeros del círculo tratamos de revertir todo lo que se pueda del flagelo de la Leyenda Negra… ojalá qué paso a paso haya avances.

Los estados hispanoamericanos están llenos de Masones anti-hispanicos, pero creo que podemos hacer un cambio como buenos hispanistas...te digo que la gente está despertando. Cuando acepten que son hijos de España y que formamos una unidad cultural creo que se quitarán de la mente mucho resentimiento absurdo.

[Latinus]

If i divide Argentina and Brazil i think the argentine is significantly more italian than the brazilian.

No doubt. Even if Brazil received a higher absolute number of Italians than Argentina, the latter is proportionally more Italian, and the consequence of it is the higher proportion of Italian ancestry among Argentinians.

Argentina is the only country in Latam with significant Italic imput where this ethnicity rivals with the colonial Iberian (in their case, Spanish) stock, even if they are slightly more Spanish than Italian.

Meanwhile, in Brazil there is no doubt that we're significantly more Portuguese than Argentina. I think that it's because Brazil's Portuguese colonial imput was huge, so even with big post-colonial Italian immigrants, and adding the post-colonial Portuguese ones, they couldn't supplant the Portuguese ancestry.

[Erronkari]

No doubt. Even if Brazil received a higher absolute number of Italians than Argentina, the latter is proportionally more Italian, and the consequence of it is the higher proportion of Italian ancestry among Argentinians.

Argentina is the only country in Latam with significant Italic imput where this ethnicity rivals with the colonial Iberian (in their case, Spanish) stock, even if they are slightly more Spanish than Italian.

Meanwhile, in Brazil there is no doubt that we're significantly more Portuguese than Argentina. I think that it's because Brazil's Portuguese colonial imput was huge, so even with big post-colonial Italian immigrants, and adding the post-colonial Portuguese ones, they couldn't supplant the Portuguese ancestry.

But not only colonial stock, friend.
Spanish immigration was the second after the Italian one and both + the colonial stock were the basis of the modern argentines.
But yes, Brazil is as whole less Italian influenced in %.

[Latinus]

But not only colonial stock, friend.
Spanish immigration was the second after the Italian one and both + the colonial stock were the basis of the modern argentines.

Yeah, mate, I know that Argentina received tons of Spanish immigrants in the post-colonial period, mainly gallegos, and they were only slightly outnumbered by Italians, not a big diference as some wrongly claim.

I mentioned colonial Spanish stock because I wanted to emphasize that, despite being very Italian influenced, Argentina is still more Spanish, even if slightly, than Italic, which means their biggest European imput is still the same as their colonizers, like in the US, which is still more British than anything else, regardless of their strong German imput.

[Latinus]

But not only colonial stock, friend.
Spanish immigration was the second after the Italian one and both + the colonial stock were the basis of the modern argentines.
But yes, Brazil is as whole less Italian influenced in %.

Wiki says that 40% of Argentinians have Italian ancestry, while in Brazil it's more like 15%, do you agree?

But other sources say more than 60% of Argentinians have Italian ancestry, so I'm not sure which is right.

[Erronkari]

Yeah, mate, I know that Argentina received tons of Spanish immigrants in the post-colonial period, mainly gallegos, and they were only slightly outnumbered by Italians, not a big diference as some wrongly claim.

I mentioned colonial Spanish stock because I wanted to emphasize that, despite being very Italian influenced, Argentina is still more Spanish, even if slightly, than Italic, which means their biggest European imput is still the same as their colonizers, like in the US, which is still more British than anything else, regardless of their strong German imput.

Absolutely agree friend!!
They are similar cases:

US= English+Irish+German
Argentina=Spanish+Italian+Colonial stock

Brazil the portuguese element is more portuguese than anything more.

[Latinus]

Absolutely agree friend!!
They are similar cases:

US= English+Irish+German
Argentina=Spanish+Italian+Colonial stock

Brazil the portuguese element is more portuguese than anything more.

Thanks! But could you answer my last question of post 26?

[Erronkari]

Thanks! But could you answer my last question of post 26?

Oh, I am so sorry, friend..
I forgot to answer you.
It’s 60/65%.
40% it’s in Uruguay.

[hangh]

Interestingly, the Argentines and Brazilians are more Italian than the Americans are German.

Because the Italian ancestry isn't as confused with Iberian as French and German is with B & I.