Who, genetically, are the least Slavic of the Slavs?

[vbnetkhio]

I1 among Dalmatian Serbs is 20%+ only with 13-14 tested Macure. With reduced Macure (when only 1 Macura is counted) it's lower but still high.

Nothern Dalmatian Serbs posted by Neša in August this year (116 samples) https://forum.poreklo.rs/index.php?t...1471#msg161471
I2-Y3120 = 42.2%
I1 = 14.7%
E1b = 12.1%
R1a = 9.5%
J2b = 7.8%
N2 = 7.8%
R1b = 3.4%
J1 = 2.6%

they have one of the highest NA among Serbs too:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...=1#post7356444

So NA in South Slavs correlates mostly with late-Roman Germanic influence.

[Varda]

Yes, high I1. But just like I2 in Herzegovina Croats, it can be results of founder effect among herding populations in sparsely populated area.

Among Dalmatian Serbs I1 is also diverse. Of 14.7% in total P109 is 6%, Z63 5.2%, M227 1.7%, and Z58 1.7%. There is 4 different branches, or even 5 because one who is P109 doesn't belong to Drobnjak cluster unlike others P109.

[Jana]

they have one of the highest NA among Serbs too:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...=1#post7356444

So NA in South Slavs correlates mostly with late-Roman Germanic influence.

Interesting. Adriatic Islanders have high NA too but I tought it could be more preserved Illyrian ancestry (maybe it isn't).
How do you explain high NA in Macedonian Slavs? They often get it more than Baltic.

[vbnetkhio]

Interesting. Adriatic Islanders have high NA too but I tought it could be more preserved Illyrian ancestry (maybe it isn't).
How do you explain high NA in Macedonian Slavs? They often get it more than Baltic.

pre-Slavic Balkanians certainly had more NA than Baltic, regardless how high was the Roman admixture. So naturally Balkanians with low Slavic influence will tend to have more NA.

[Roy]

There is also notable lack of middle eastern and Anatolian haplogroups among south Slavs, this J2b1 M205 are large minority. Vast majority of pre-Slavic branches seem native.
I know Croat with Armenian/MENA like R1b but that's really not common at all.

If there was large Imperial Roman input (male soldier transmitted one), it should be reflected in the haplogroups and so far nothing indicates in such direction.

No, I think Roman influence was modest and pre-Slavic population couldn't be lot more southern than central Italians (Abruzzo max), and that ofc proto Slavs were very much northern like, not like Ukrainians.
Thus Slavic input is significantly lower and native higher than in lately popular estimates.

Let's wait for more samples to see. I heard we will get Slavs from Prague Korchak culture soo (very relevant for south Slavs). I place a bet they will be Belarussian-Lithuanian like.

Do you know from which burial site(s) are those Prague Korchak samples?

This culture mostly practiced cremation, so it has to be pretty tough to find their DNA.

[Varda]

they have one of the highest NA among Serbs too:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...=1#post7356444

So NA in South Slavs correlates mostly with late-Roman Germanic influence.

Except high and diverse I1 in Dalmatian Serbs, there is 3 R1b-U106 Dalmatian Serb families recently discovered. Cvitkovac and Petković from Maovice (Vrlika), and Đaković from Vrbnik (Knin).

Cvitkovac https://forum.poreklo.rs/index.php?t...4277#msg164277

Petković https://forum.poreklo.rs/index.php?t...4284#msg164284

[Dušan]

this J2b1 M205 are large minority. Vast majority of pre-Slavic branches seem native.

It reaches 10% among Serbs from Croatia (cca 5% among Serbs in general), while among Croats, and any other surrounding nation, it is almost absent with cca 1%.
Difference is obvious.

[Ajeje Brazorf]

I'd say they did not, because AV2 in Hungary was Belarusian like, but we'd need more samples.

Unfortunately I must agree with you regarding the scarcity of samples analyzed, but if I remember correctly AV2 had a close relative that was AV1, which was already mixed with more "southern" populations. We'll see what scenarios future samples have in store for us.

Geo-political situation at the time of the samples


Eurogenes K13


Global25

[Varda]

According to this statistic down J2b-M205 is 4.2% in Dalmatian Croatians.
Among Bosniaks J2b-M205 is the highest in Bosanska Krajina.

Among Dalmatian Croatians J2b-M205 is stronger than J2b-M241.

Neša (you know him from anthro.) posted statistic for Dalmatian Croatians from 23andMe (163 samples), J2b-M205 is 4.2% and J2b-M241 is 0.6% https://forum.poreklo.rs/index.php?t...2291#msg162291

It reaches 10% among Serbs from Croatia (cca 5% among Serbs in general), while among Croats, and any other surrounding nation, it is almost absent with cca 1%.
Difference is obvious.

[rothaer]

Sorb_Niederlausitz distances using Global25:

Is it the Beeskow woman?