"35%-55% Ashkenazis are of European Descent"

[Osweo]

Damn, Jews are confusing.

Only if you LET them confuse you...

It shows the whole Israel thing is probably a lie as far as the Ashkenazi are concerned, they must be largely Khazar converts.

Not the first time I've seen you repeating this garbage.

Comrade, the Khazars were a Turko-Caucasian group, and looked probably something like modern Turkmen.



Deriving our modern Ashkenazim from them, when the former are a bunch of pallid hook-nosed garbled-German-speaking city-folk is just retarded.

Or can you picture Woody Allen and Boris Berezovski riding ponies across the steppe?

[PetiteParisienne]

I mostly agree with Anachronistic about teh J00s. They're at the blurry limit between European and Semitic, and some are more of the former while others are more of the latter. The majority of Ashkenazim can pass as white in the racial sense. Are they culturally European? That's up for debate.


Well, the fact that the Irish and Turks share some haplogroups (dating back to ancient times) doesn't make them the same race. We can talk about haplogroups and genetic links all we want - at the end of the day, my eyes and common sense can judge who is European and who's not.

The 'walk like a duck/talk like a duck'-minded people tend to accept non-practicing Ashkenazis as white Europeans.

[Beorn]

Or can you picture Woody Allen and Boris Berezovski riding ponies across the steppe?

[Osweo]

cannot BE a fraction

Would you be so kind as to remind me of the fractions at play in yourself? I thought you were at least 3/4 Jewish, no?

[PetiteParisienne]

Only if you LET them confuse you...

If you subscribe to the belief that Jews are tricksters, you may as well believe that they are the descendants of the Khazars, too. And that Jews have 'Jew Gold', use the blood of gentile children to make unleavened bread, poison wells, caused the Black Plague, are actually in favour of the Muslim take-over of Europe, want to enslave all non-Jews, poison non-Kosher food to keep non-Jews weak, that Jews have ESP with all other Jews, etc.

[Hess]

(I also agree about the Sicilians, I've seen some very racially questionable half-Arab types among them.)

Racially questionable by what standard? Sicilians are ethnic Europeans, how they look is irrelevant. Any look that is found in Sicily is part of natural European diversity and I, for one, fail to see the problem with that.

[GeistFaust]

Again, apologies for the brief reply to your wonderfully thoughtful post.

I have mentioned my Jewish heritage because I know that it is a significant point of contention to racially and ethnically minded people. If it came down to war, I stand with Europe now and forever.

It is fine, and don't be too self-conscious here. We are glad you are proud of your European descent, and willing to attempt to preserve truly and authentically European cultures, ethnicties, and languages. It is good that you stand only with Europe, and not with anything foreign, and for that your Jewish heritage can be overlooked in part.


That said I do not think I could overlook any other people with partial Non-Indo-European ancestry when it comes to preserving European ancestry. I would not accept a pure Jew or majority Jewish person who wishes to protect and preserve the European identity, because this is unnatural and contradictory with their genetic nature.


But protecting the European identity means preserving in all of its aspects whether it be speaking the language, practicing the modes of conducts, and self-consciously embracing the mentality. Most importantly this mode of protecting the European identity should be done by someone of Indo-European background, because protecting these three modes includes protecting and preserving the Indo-European background from foreign genetic admixture.


This can only be done by people who are of a pure genetic European background, and thus it seems appropriate that people are more closely of genetic European background to want to protect and preserve the other three modes of European identity.


That said certain exceptions can be made, as Goerring's Green laws showed us, and I am more than glad to have you here. We need more educated, charming, and well-behaved individuals to join in the cause, but primarily on the basis they qualify to a great extent on the four modes of European identity.


I just think that it is unnecessary to equate Ashkernazis with Europeans, even if they have partial ancestry, and its not right in the name of the preservation of the European identity to negate their Jewish component or to deny it.

[Beorn]

If you subscribe to the belief that Jews are tricksters, you may as well believe that they are the descendants of the Khazars, too. And that Jews have 'Jew Gold', use the blood of gentile children to make unleavened bread, poison wells, caused the Black Plague, are actually in favour of the Muslim take-over of Europe, want to enslave all non-Jews, poison non-Kosher food to keep non-Jews weak, that Jews have ESP with all other Jews, etc.

I thought you had gone to bed?

Jew trick number one, apparently.

[PetiteParisienne]

Would you be so kind as to remind me of the fractions at play in yourself? I thought you were at least 3/4 Jewish, no?

There's no point. I'm tired of running around in circles with you. We're going to have to agree to disagree here. Our stance on who is European and who is not is different, and that's ok.

[Portukalos]

They still are Non-Indo-European even though they believe in creeds, practice traditions, and speak a code of communication which coincides and has arisen out of Indo-European peoples.

You does seem to attach alot of importance to Indo-Europeaness but it comes out Jews are actually closer to Europeans genetically speaking than Persians or Armenians are. It's just that Jews are not a pure bunch composed of pure Semites as described in the racialist books of the 19th which are usually politically biased. Modern Jews are mixed with Mediterranean-European , Caucasian , and whatsoever blood.