Who, genetically, are the least Slavic of the Slavs?

[CommonSense]

Stearsolina denies the influence of Roman colonization, and based on the presence of these haplogroups, it is clear that it took place.

This is reflected in autosomal genetics, meaning the pre-Slavic part was a little more southern than without Roman colonization, which means the proto-Slavic part is about 60% or more.

Yes, even using the most genetically southern sample, from the Iron Age period in Bulgaria, you still have to add MLBA Anatolian or Cappadiocian Greek samples to get a more accurate model.

[Dušan]

Yes, even using the most genetically southern sample, from the Iron Age period in Bulgaria, you still have to add MLBA Anatolian or Cappadiocian Greek samples to get a more accurate model.

True.
It is nothing wierd to get Sicilian in mixed mode, with some northern Slav average.

[CommonSense]

True.
It is nothing wierd to get Sicilian in mixed mode, with some northern Slav average.

Sometimes even Cypriot can be used as a proxy, lol. This what my mom gets in Eurogenes K13 oracles two population distance:

5 70.9% Ukrainian + 29.1% Cyprian @ 3.63
6 61.3% Southwest_Russian + 38.7% South_Italian @ 3.68

[Roy]

Sometimes even Cypriot can be used as a proxy, lol. This what my mom gets in Eurogenes K13 oracles two population distance:

5 70.9% Ukrainian + 29.1% Cyprian @ 3.63
6 61.3% Southwest_Russian + 38.7% South_Italian @ 3.68

3.63 or higher are not good fits at all.

[Roy]

Double

[CommonSense]

3.63 or higher are not good fits at all.

It's still a relevant indicator though.

Also, I'll take this opportunity to demonstrate another example. If I remove all Balkan and Balkan-admixed populations from the source tab in vahaduo, the Serbian average gets modelled using a mix of North Slavs, North Italians and Cappadocian Greeks. The latter two acting as a proxy for 'Paleo-Balkan':

Target: Serb
Distance: 0.4737% / 0.47368605 | R4P
48.0 Belarusian_Minsk
26.5 Italian_Trentino
19.7 Greek_Cappadocian
5.8 Italian_Sardinia

Target: Serb
Distance: 0.8789% / 0.87889566 | R3P
61.1 Polish_Silesia
21.3 French_Corsica
17.6 Greek_Cappadocian


The Thracian sample from Bulgaria is rather close to modern-day Corsicans, by the way:

Distance to: I5769_Bulgaria_IA_2600_ybp
7.91786587 French_Corsica
9.27951507 Italian_Lazio
9.87052177 Italian_Marche
10.09024281 Italian_Umbria
11.16326117 Italian_Tuscan
11.26628599 Italian_Romagna
11.74729756 Italian_Abruzzo
11.75408440 Italian
11.93531734 Italian_Molise
12.28392038 Italian_Sicily
12.29196486 Italian_Apulia
12.41296902 Italian_Basilicata
13.26128953 Greek_Western-Thrace
13.31609552 Italian_Campania
13.43489486 Italian_Emilia
13.95051970 Italian_Liguria
14.37559738 Malta
14.56942346 Greek_Cyclades
14.56986616 Moroccan_Jew
14.84789547 Italian_Calabria
15.40336002 Greek_Athens
15.53956241 Italian_Lombardy
16.22616714 Greek_Ionia
16.25672476 Albanian_Tosk
16.34854734 Greek_Central

[Jana]

I get this in K12b, very close fit:

Distance: 1.0433% / 1.04325842 | R2P

62.8 Sorb_Lusatia
37.2 Greek_Macedonia

[Peterski]

I get this in K12b, very close fit:

Distance: 1.0433% / 1.04325842 | R2P

62.8 Sorb_Lusatia
37.2 Greek_Macedonia

Have you already tried modeling yourself with Iron Age Slovenian samples?

[Jana]

Have you already tried modeling yourself with Iron Age Slovenian samples?

I did not. It makes more sense for people like Ph2ter.

[Nausevar]

Among us in Sandzak, the dominant J2 subclade is J2b-M241, the total J2 is above 14% while among Bosnia Bosniaks, it's less 3,7% (and mostly J2b-M205)

Spoiler!

Have you ever considered yourself a Bosniak? If you did, did you stop doing that after discovering the truth about Sandzak Muslims?


I am probably one of the least slavic Serbs from Dalmatia. I have only 25.73% Baltic, and I also have a pre-slavic y-haplogroup.
I discovered my father's surname was present in Brda region of Montenegro where J-L283 is more frequent, and they could have migrated from there to Dalmatia. My mother's surname had changed and the previous surname was present near Trebinje and it's written that they migrated to northern Dalmatia.