To the people still supporting vaccines and vaccine mandates? Why do you still support them?

[Bigby]

. When anyone mentions the effects of the vaccines such as myocarditis or neurological defects

There are plenty of scientific studies about Myocarditis caused by the Covid vaccine and none found any real risk. Aspirin has more side effects, And there's a 15% chance you will get neurological effects if you get the virus and are not vaccinated because loss of smell is counted as a neurological symptom.

In one study1 of more than 5 million people who had received the Pfizer–BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine, 136 developed myocarditis. The other study2, of more than 2.5 million people who received the shot, identified just 54 cases of myocarditis.

There's a way higher chance you're gonna die getting hit by a thunder strike.

[Bigby]

So, you admit that this isnt' even a medical issue right now, but blatantly political with the goal being the absolute abuse of power on behalf of governments?

I admit that you vile bastards cannot hide yourselves at times.

No I don't, nowhere did I even suggest that.

I've just affirmed that what Ylla said is wrong, the State can and has already restricted the rights, for example with lockdowns, disallowed the unvaccinated from accessing certain services etc.

[Cybele]

At any point in time, we can declare the unvaccinated as criminals(they are a danger to society,) and proceed accordingly.

We had precedents in Romania. And many times I've said to myself that this place, is like a meat grinding machine. I am honestly not surprised, if we're gonna go again through dark times. After all, what has changed?!

[Bigby]

Only if they change the Constitution, which is possible to happen. And well said, well being of the state, not of the people.

Nope, you're from Romania right? Well then the Constitution already says that the rights and freedoms of citizens can be restricted in the case of Corona.

Article 53:

(1) The exercise of certain rights or freedoms may only be restricted by law, and only if necessary, as the case may be, for: the defence of national security, of public order, health, or morals, of the citizens' rights and freedoms; conducting a criminal investigation; preventing the consequences of a natural calamity, disaster, or an extremely severe catastrophe.

[Harkonnen]

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Total deaths are getting up despite vast majority getting vaxxed. Even in Sweden where laxxed corona policies already killed much of the weakest population, vaxxess have not put total deaths down. Something not-covid is killing people at unusual rate. Hmm

[Babak]

Ogweed is a pathetic dysgenic piece of shit. He literally spews doubtful "data" and spams the same shit all over. Literally only that. When anyone mentions the effects of the vaccines such as myocarditis or neurological defects, he deflects or doesn't answer. Or when anyone mentions that the current measures taken have no epidemiological reasoning and are blackmail in essence. No answers from him (or Bigby) either.

For example, in Greece right now the government has made it official that even vaccinated individuals during the holiday season MUST have rapid or PCR tests if they are to attend any closed space (restaurants, cafeterias etc). Why the fuck did they do the vaccine, when the government was telling them months ago that they wouldn't need any testing or restrictions anymore? And this: from 13/12 all persons aged 60 and above in Greece, even if double-vaxxed, are considered unvaccinated. Tell me how does this have any logic at all.

Its all political. They do this so the population becomes more controllable and easily conditioned. The govt doesnt give a shit if people protest because they will continue to carry out their agenda regardless. They see the majority of the pop as little kids. Kids whine and cry, but once you show whose boss, they will stop crying after awhile.

Once they tighten the restrictions for domestic air travel, you'll see protests like you've never seen before. But like anything else, kids will stop whining afterwhile and listen to big daddy govt. Its always worked.

[Cybele]

Nope, you're from Romania right? Well then the Constitution already says that the rights and freedoms of citizens can be restricted in the case of Corona.

Article 53:

I am not a lawyer and my knowledge of legislation is limited, obviously. I will read more on these articles and the debate around them.

But no where in the Constitution (as far as I know) is mentioned that the citizens who don't wanna take a specific medical treatment, are considered "criminals". It's starts to sound like abuse of power. And since only certain companies have authorization to sell their product (no one asked the opinion of the citizens if they agree to take them), is like forcing all the citizens into getting injected with those products, or else...

So, one becomes a criminal, for simply disapproving the personal sponsorship and consumption of certain Big Pharma forced products.


I sure see it logical to isolate at home, take antivirals and look after your health, in case of infection with the virus. Heck I even promise I will personally never clog the hospitals, in case I'll die . I'm still healthy and young tho. Besides, a Romanian hospital is the last place on this planet, that I would want to spend my last living seconds. And for anyone that wanna take any vaccine, is absolutely fine. But man... let's stop with this mandatory madness.

[Ogweed]

I don't refer to the pain in the arm or the fever...

I refer to the disproportionately many case of cardiovaescular and neurological effects. Which you constantly avoid mentioning. Only in the US according to the VAERS (Vaccine Adverse Effects Reporting System) it's over 1.5 million such cases. In the US alone. Equally as many are there in Europe according to Eudravigilance.

I personally know 3 people that got serious adverse effects from the vaccine. 1 girl in my age, daughter of one of my father's colleagues got Bell's palsy. Two older relatives of mine got clots on their feet. Should I literally just shove them under the carpet? There's literally articles in Greek local media every day that mention people that died the next day or 1 week after they got vaccinated. With full names and ages mentioned. I should shove them under the carpet, right?

And literally, shut up about the smell and shit. I prefer losing taste for a small period of time, which is statistically impossible for anyone under 30 with COVID, rather than getting permanent neurological or cardiovaescular damage from a vaccine that in my age group is statistically more likely to cause harm than the virus itself. Plus... Pfizer has made it absolutely clear that it won't protect you:

You're retarded and just parroting what anti-vaxx articles you quickly find on google.

Only in the US according to the VAERS (Vaccine Adverse Effects Reporting System) it's over 1.5 million such cases.

So out of like 200 milion vaccinated americans 0.5% developed myocarditis, blood cloths etc?? Do you realize how stupid you sound? The rest of the adverse reactions are normal and can occur after every vaccine and in VAERS you can report all side effects. Actually, mRNA vaccines are safer in this regard than the traditional ones.

Here's VAERS explained:
https://www.nebraskamed.com/COVID/do...id-19-vaccines

The rate of anaphylaxis (severe allergic reaction) was less than 5 people per million vaccinated.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...se-events.html

Anaphylaxis after COVID-19 vaccination is rare and has occurred in approximately 2 to 5 people per one million vaccinated in the United States. Anaphylaxis, a severe type of allergic reaction, can occur after any kind of vaccination. If it happens, healthcare providers can effectively and immediately treat the reaction.
Thrombosis with thrombocytopenia syndrome (TTS) after Johnson & Johnson’s Janssen (J&J/Janssen) COVID-19 Vaccination is rare. TTS is a serious, but rare, adverse event that causes blood clots with low platelets. As of December 8, 2021, more than 16.9 million doses of the J&J/Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine have been given in the United States. CDC and FDA identified 57 confirmed reports of people who got the J&J/Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine and later developed TTS. VAERS reports have identified nine deaths that have been caused by or were directly attributed to TTS following J&J/Janssen COVID-19 Vaccination. Women ages 18-49 years, especially, should be aware of the rare but increased risk of this adverse event. There are other COVID-19 vaccine options available for which this risk has not been seen.
To date, three confirmed cases of TTS following mRNA COVID-19 vaccination (Moderna) have been reported to VAERS after more than 458 million doses of mRNA COVID-19 vaccines administered in the United States. Based on available data, there is not an increased risk for TTS after mRNA COVID-19 vaccination.
Myocarditis and pericarditis after COVID-19 vaccination are rare. Myocarditis is inflammation of the heart muscle, and pericarditis is inflammation of the outer lining of the heart. Most patients with myocarditis or pericarditis who received care responded well to medicine and rest and felt better quickly.A large Israeli study published in the New England Journal of Medicine showed an excess risk of myocarditis in people over 16 receiving the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine (1-5 events per 100 000 persons)

All in all, you're looking at 1 problem for every 100k vaccines or more and who knows what underlying health or genetic problems those persons in question have.

Even over-the-counter medicine can give you serious health problems at that ratio. Check aspirin or whatever shit you take for flu for their side effects, like nasal sprays.

And these can be taken without a recipe. There are a shit ton of pills out there to combat illnesses that have far more possibilities to give you side effects.

By the way, VAERS is not a reliable source, as anyone can report what they wish for, it's not an official study.

Demonstrating this, anesthesiologist and autism advocate James Laidler once used the system to report that a vaccine turned him into the “Incredible Hulk,” which was only removed after he agreed to have the data deleted.

Ogweed is a pathetic dysgenic piece of shit.

Lol, talking about someone being dysgenic when he's afraid that he'll be one of those 100k people to develop myocarditis or something serios.

[Harkonnen]

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[Bigby]

I am not a lawyer and my knowledge of legislation is limited, obviously. I will read more on these articles and the debate around them.

But no where in the Constitution (as far as I know) is mentioned that the citizens who don't wanna take a specific medical treatment, are considered "criminals". It's starts to sound like abuse of power. And since only certain companies have authorization to sell their product (no one asked the opinion of the citizens if they agree to take them), is like forcing all the citizens into getting injected with those products, or else...

So, one becomes a criminal, for simply disapproving the personal sponsorship and consumption of certain Big Pharma forced products.


I sure see it logical to isolate at home, take antivirals and look after your health, in case of infection with the virus. Heck I even promise I will personally never clog the hospitals, in case I'll die . I'm still healthy and young tho. Besides, a Romanian hospital is the last place on this planet, that I would want to spend my last living seconds. And for anyone that wanna take any vaccine, is absolutely fine. But man... let's stop with this mandatory madness.

You don't have to be a lawyer, this is basic knowledge. It states clearly that the state can restrict citizens' rights in the aforementioned cases. No one is forcing you directly to get vaccinated, the state will just restrict your services until you either do or leave the society. This is what the majority want, its called democracy. And this is what happened already, we've had lockdowns and we've restricted a few rights. More rights are to be restricted until everyone gets vaccinated.