What are the "German East" samples on G25 Vahaduo?

[Borealis]

It could be one of three different things:

1) People from modern east Germany
2) People from old Prussia(now Poland and Kalingrad)
3) East European Germans from Russia or Ukraine

Which is it?

[Peterski]

Samples from this dataset are from Leipzig, Saxony (part of modern east Germany):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leipzig

[Arūnas]

Leipzig - the center of Germany

[Borealis]

Samples from this dataset are from Leipzig, Saxony (part of modern east Germany):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leipzig

Holy shit. And they are eastern shifted as f_ck. East Prussians must be mostly Baltic-Slavic in that case and Volga Germans overwhelmingly Slav.

[Jana]

Holy shit. And they are eastern shifted as f_ck. East Prussians must be mostly Baltic-Slavic in that case and Volga Germans overwhelmingly Slav.

Indian IQ. They aren't "eastern as fuck", they plot similar like Czechs with more Germanic input. Volga Germans are 0% eastern European, they are entirely of west German colonist origin.
Your knowledge about Europe is weak.

[Borealis]

Indian IQ. They aren't "eastern as fuck", they plot similar like Czechs with more Germanic input. Volga Germans are 0% eastern European, they are entirely of west German colonist origin.
Your knowledge about Europe is weak.

Subhuman IQ.

They are eastern shifted by the standards of GERMANIC speakers. Why the fuck would I compare them to Slavic speakers like Czechs? Yes the Czechs themselves have a lot of Germanic blood but they are still Slavic speakers.


Target: German_East
Distance: 1.0963% / 0.01096286
70.4 German
29.6 Belarusian

Target: Czech
Distance: 0.9275% / 0.00927468
62.0 German
38.0 Belarusian


Fact that they come out as 30% Belarusian says a lot.

As for Volga Germans...
https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/com...nongerman_dna/

And keep in mind, that's based off modern populations. If you did a deeper analysis such as whats available with G25 they would be more than 50% Slavic for sure. Even the user Blondie said Volga Germans looked very Russian to her.

[Jana]

Subhuman IQ.

They are eastern shifted by the standards of GERMANIC speakers. Why the fuck would I compare them to Slavic speakers like Czechs?

Because they live right next to Czechs, idiot.

Fact that they come out as 30% Belarusian says a lot.

Eastern Germans are blend of German settlers and Wendish tribes, genius. You discovered America

As for Volga Germans...
https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/com...nongerman_dna/

That's a mongrel, not a Volga German. Pure Volga Germans have zero Slavic admixture, they originate from west and south Germany and did not mix with Russians.

And keep in mind, that's based off modern populations. If you did a deeper analysis such as whats available with G25 they would be more than 50% Slavic for sure.

Volga Germans are 0% EE. Mixed mongrels who stayed in RF are not "Volga Germans". They just claim to be so just like many Slavic Russians claim to be Jews to get Israeli citizenship.

Even the user Blondie said Volga Germans looked very Russian to her.

Because they are Soviet Era mixes, dumbass. Read what Rothaer wrote about Germans in eastern Europe. Real ones left for Germany decades ago.

[Borealis]

Because they live right next to Czechs, idiot.



Eastern Germans are blend of German settlers and Wendish tribes, genius. You discovered America



That's a mongrel, not a Volga German. Pure Volga Germans have zero Slavic admixture, they originate from west and south Germany and did not mix with Russians.



Volga Germans are 0% EE. Mixed mongrels who stayed in RF are not "Volga Germans". They just claim to be so just like many Russians claim to be Jews to get Israeli citizenship.



Because they are Soviet Era mixes, dumbass. Read what Rothaer wrote about Germans in eastern Europe. Real ones left for Germany decades ago.

They live right next to Czechs and come out genetically much more like Czechs than they do to the majority of Germans, isn’t that very telling? Eastern shifted as fuck indeed. Now imagine those from pre war German east.

Even the German migrants who came to America in the last centuries from Volga, when they do a DNA test show plenty of Slavic ancestry. I want proof of these 100% Germanic Volga Germans

[Jana]

They live right next to Czechs and come out genetically much more like Czechs than they do to the majority of Germans, isn’t that very telling? Eastern shifted as fuck indeed. Now imagine those from pre war German east.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ostsiedlung

Problem is everyone knows this and you make great discovery out of that. Yes, Prussians are heavily Slavic too, east Prussians heavily Baltic. Big surprise

Even the German migrants who came to America in the last centuries from Volga, when they do a DNA test show plenty of Slavic ancestry. I want proof of these 100% Germanic Volga Germans

No. Volga Germans have nothing to do with eastern Germans, same applies to Danube Swabians and Transylvanian Saxons. Those are west/south German colonists in the east, their ethnogenesis happened in west Germany and it did not include Slavs. They lived in closed off rural communities and did not mix with others, especially not with Slavs of orthodox faith like Russians.

Neither are they very Germanic. They are SOUTH-western Germans, similar to Swabians, Belgians, NE French and heavily Celtic. Only Menonnites are more Germanic because they are from further north, where low German is spoken.

Distance to: Menonnite_Russia

3.31072500 Dutch
3.44651998 German_Northwest
3.65231433 English_Southeast
3.84001302 Dutch_Central
3.92383741 North_German
4.05404736 English_Midlands
4.06294228 English
4.38486032 English_North
4.57801267 Cornish
4.58091694 English_Southwest
4.61123628 Dutch_North
4.65486842 Dutch_South
4.95530019 German_West
5.04638484 Welsh
5.20815706 Orcadian
5.22289192 Flemish
5.26143517 French_Northwest
5.27228603 Scottish_East
5.36900363 Scottish_Northeast
5.50253578 Scottish_North_Highlands
5.56982944 Scottish
5.76000868 Scottish_Gaidhealtachd
5.76035589 Scottish_Southwest
5.81072285 German
5.85683362 Icelandic

Distance to: Menonnite_Russia

3.41801112 English_Southeast
3.46538598 Dutch
3.57466082 Dutch_South
3.87778287 Flemish
3.94067253 German_Northwest
3.98347838 English_Midlands
4.10257236 Dutch_Central
4.10405897 English
4.29306417 German_West
4.63007559 Belgian
4.65716652 English_Southwest
4.72683827 Cornish
4.72958772 English_North
4.76758849 French_Northwest
4.83455272 North_German
4.83597974 Afrikaner
5.22651892 Dutch_North
5.35758341 German
5.57456725 Welsh
5.85293943 Orcadian
5.97292223 Scottish_East
6.06311801 Scottish_Northeast
6.26082263 Scottish_North_Highlands
6.37796206 Scottish
6.48822780 Scottish_Southwest

Distance to: Menonnite_Russia

1.99496867 North_German
3.15053964 German_Northwest
4.38270464 Dutch
4.67571385 Dutch_Central
4.98213810 Dutch_North
5.17239790 German
5.43030386 German_West
5.52345906 English_Southeast
5.91426242 English_Midlands
5.94951259 English
6.02376128 Denmark
6.10449015 Dutch_South
6.11571746 English_North
6.19279420 Icelandic
6.45441709 Norwegian
6.47201669 Sweden_Götaland
6.47607906 Flemish
6.53181445 Norway_South_Central
6.59884838 English_Southwest
6.62998492 Swedish
6.65099992 Cornish
6.72165902 Afrikaner
6.79650646 Orcadian
6.94314050 Welsh
6.95171921 Scottish_East

Target: Menonnite_Russia
Distance: 1.9025% / 1.90248230 | R2P

58.0 German_West
42.0 Norwegian

Target: Menonnite_Russia
Distance: 1.9138% / 1.91382998 | R2P

67.5 Flemish
32.5 Denmark

Target: Menonnite_Russia
Distance: 1.2272% / 1.22719454 | R2P

86.1 Norway_South_Central
13.9 Greek_Istanbul

[Jana]

here is sample that is closer to average for actual non mongrelized Volga German:

Distance to: German_Russia1

3.32021084 German_South
3.81821948 German_West
4.04217763 French_Alsace
4.14993976 Belgian
4.32477745 Afrikaner
4.62175291 Flemish
4.74934732 Pennsylvania_Dutch
4.78611534 German
4.97424366 French_Northeast
4.97899588 Swiss_German
5.17639836 Swiss_German2
5.40255495 Dutch_South
8.25181192 English_Southeast
8.27499245 French_Northwest
8.35992225 Austrian
8.70927666 Swiss_French
8.73249678 French_Central
8.84587474 Dutch
8.91983744 German_Northwest
8.94195169 North_German
9.07058433 English_Midlands
9.19661351 English
9.47139377 Dutch_Central
9.56300162 English_Southwest
9.74469086 Cornish

Target: German_Russia1
Distance: 1.9911% / 1.99109521 | R2P

66.0 North_German
34.0 Swiss_Italian