Macedonian Gedmatch kits - 28

[JohnnyP]

Macedonia is mainly E-V13, right? Do you have some accurate y-dna breakdown for ethnic Macedonians?

Yes main y-DNA is E1b ( E-V13 ) , I'm surprised by too many R1b Macedonians ( Mainly from Central and North part ) and I2a Celtic branches, and surprised by R-Z92 from Prespa, I guess R-Z92 would be Slavic ? There are 32 y-DNA ,it's good number, but I think we need more from Kumanovo,Kriva Palanka and Strumica ( Southeast ) , Mainly all regions are covered, mostly North and South.

[Jana]

Yes main y-DNA is E1b ( E-V13 ) , I'm surprised by too many R1b Macedonians ( Mainly from Central and North part ) and I2a Celtic branches, and surprised by R-Z92 from Prespa, I guess R-Z92 would be Slavic ? There are 32 y-DNA ,it's good number, but I think we need more from Kumanovo,Kriva Palanka and Strumica ( Southeast ) , Mainly all regions are covered, mostly North and South.

E-V13 is paternal Thracian/Paeonian ancestry
Balkan R1b (L23) branches are Illyiran, maybe some Thracian too
R-Z92 Balto-Slavic, more common in eastern Slavs
I2 I guess will mostly be Slavic branches and some Celtic and Paleo Balkan

How much J2 is there and is it J2a or J2b?

We still don't know ydna of ancient Maceodnians, but eventually they will test them somewhere in the future.

[JohnnyP]

E-V13 is paternal Thracian/Paeonian ancestry
Balkan R1b (L23) branches are Illyiran, maybe some Thracian too
R-Z92 Balto-Slavic, more common in eastern Slavs
I2 I guess will mostly be Slavic branches and some Celtic and Paleo Balkan

How much J2 is there and is it J2a or J2b?

We still don't know ydna of ancient Maceodnians, but eventually they will test them somewhere in the future.

We don't know still, because E-V13 is most dominant in "Illyrian" country like Kosovo and Albania it's not necessary Thracian, also we don't have Peonian sample so we don't know , in any case Peonians were part of ancient Macedonian ethnos , I guess ancient Macedonians would be R1b , E-V13 and I2a Celtic branches like one of Thracian Bessi I-Y13338.

J2 mostly is J2a , but there are two samples from Ohrid and both are J2b2 and one from Skopje J2b2.

[Jana]

We don't know still, because E-V13 is most dominant in "Illyrian" country like Kosovo and Albania it's not necessary Thracian, also we don't have Peonian sample so we don't know , in any case Peonians were part of ancient Macedonian ethnos , I guess ancient Macedonians would be R1b , E-V13 and I2a Celtic branches like one of Thracian Bessi I-Y13338.

J2 mostly is J2a , but there are two samples from Ohrid and both are J2b2 and one from Skopje J2b2.

Illyrian samples from Croatia and Slovenia all came out J2b2. Meanwhile Illyrian tribe Daunians in Apulia who originate from Albania were also J2b2, some R1b and Paleo Balkan I2 branches.
E-V13 wasn't found, but Moesians from Serbia were E-V13 heavy and it was found in Gava culture in Hungary.

Kosovo was mixed Thracian Illyrian zone and Albos are mix of west and east Balkan ancestry. Proto-Albanians probably developed somewhere in central Balkans.
you also need t take in account founder/bottleneck effects like in Kosovo or Herzegovina (lot of people descend from few men)

J2a in north Macedonia should be Hellenic origin, J2b native Illyrian.

Of curse we need more ancient samples to be sure.

[vbnetkhio]

E-V13 is paternal Thracian/Paeonian ancestry
Balkan R1b (L23) branches are Illyiran, maybe some Thracian too
R-Z92 Balto-Slavic, more common in eastern Slavs
I2 I guess will mostly be Slavic branches and some Celtic and Paleo Balkan

How much J2 is there and is it J2a or J2b?

We still don't know ydna of ancient Maceodnians, but eventually they will test them somewhere in the future.

statistics for 518 Macedonian samples from various studies:

n=518

R1b = 52 = 10.03%
R1b-Z2103-BY611 = 16 = 3.08%
R1b-Z2103(xBY611) = 14 = 2.70%
R1b-PF7562 = 2 = 0.38%
R1b-L51 = 20 = 3.87%

R1a = 71 = 13.70%
R1a-Z280 = 37 = 7.14%
R1a-M458 = 29 = 5.59%
R1a-Z93 = 5 = 0.96%

I1 = 19 = 3.66%

I2 = 136 = 26.25%
I2a-Y3120 = 124 = 23.93%
I2a-Y3120(DYS448=20) = 24 = 4.63%
I2a-Y3120(DYS448=19) = 24 = 4.63%
I2a-M223 = 6 = 1.15%
I2a-L161.1 = 2 = 0.38%
I2a-P37(xM423) = 3 = 0.58%
I2c-L1251.1 = 1 = 0.19%

E1b-M35 = 131 = 25.28%
E1b-V13 = 100 = 19.30%
E1b-M123 = 13 = 2.50%
E1b-V22 = 9 = 1.73%
E1b-V12 = 3 = 0.58%
E1b-M81 = 2 = 0.38%
E1b-M35 = 4 = 0.77%

J2 = 55 = 10.61%
J2a-M67 = 12 = 2.31%
J2a-Z387 = 12 = 2.31%
J2a(xM67,xZ387) = 5 = 0.96%
J2b2-M241 = 23 = 4.44%
J2b1-M205 = 3 = 0.58%

J1 = 10 = 1.93%

G2 = 25 = 4.82%
G2a = 23 = 4.44%
G2b = 2 = 0.38%

T1 = 12 = 2.31%

Q1 = 1 = 0.19%

L1b = 1 = 0.19%

C1 = 2 = 0.38%

H1-M82 = 2 = 0.38%

R2 = 1 = 0.19%

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[JohnnyP]

Illyrian samples from Croatia and Slovenia all came out J2b2. Meanwhile Illyrian tribe Daunians in Apulia who originate from Albania were also J2b2, some R1b and Paleo Balkan I2 branches.
E-V13 wasn't found, but Moesians from Serbia were E-V13 heavy and it was found in Gava culture in Hungary.

Kosovo was mixed Thracian Illyrian zone and Albos are mix of west and east Balkan ancestry. Proto-Albanians probably developed somewhere in central Balkans.
you also need t take in account founder/bottleneck effects like in Kosovo or Herzegovina (lot of people descend from few men)

J2a in north Macedonia should be Hellenic origin, J2b native Illyrian.

Of curse we need more ancient samples to be sure.

You are wrong , there is E-L618 from Dalmatia, why Albanian most dominant haplo is E-V13 ( not talking about Kosovo ) ? I think they are not Thracians nor they claim that, E-V13 is Barbaric ancient Balkan haplogroup , ancient Illyrian,Macedonian and Thracian ( subgroups Dacian - Getae ),

There are many J2a Macedonians with reason, I guess you will found out all in short future, and I personally think or maybe know ? WHO KNOWS - That ancient Macedonians were more like Illyrians than Thracians.

[Jana]

You are wrong , there is E-L618 from Dalmatia, why Albanian most dominant haplo is E-V13 ( not talking about Kosovo ) ? I think they are not Thracians nor they claim that, E-V13 is Barbaric ancient Balkan haplogroup , ancient Illyrian,Macedonian and Thracian ( subgroups Dacian - Getae ),

There are many J2a Macedonians with reason, I guess you will found out all in short future, and I personally think or maybe know ? WHO KNOWS - That ancient Macedonians were more like Illyrians than Thracians.

That E from Dalmatia is neolithic If I am not mistaken. Well, we have data for Illyrians from Croatia, Slovenia and southern Italy (who came from Albania) and no E-V13.
You can say what you want, but so far E-V13 doesn't look Illyrian at all.

It looks Dacian also, yes.

Albanians are mix of various Paleo Balkan people, with some Greco-Roman and Slavic influence. I am curious to see ancient samples from Albania proper, Iron Age and antiquity.

I think J2a can be one of ancient Macedonian markers. They possibly had Illyrian influence as well.

[JohnnyP]

Here's ***** post =



But by many other studies and my collection of more than 40 raw dna data from Macedonians , that most dominant y-DNA in modern Macedonians is E1b=E-V13.

[vbnetkhio]

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But by many other studies and my collection of more than 40 raw dna data from Macedonians , that most dominant y-DNA in modern Macedonians is E1b=E-V13.

There are no other studies, the statistics I posted were made by ***** from all available studies.

[JohnnyP]

There are no other studies, the statistics I posted were made by ***** from all available studies.

Yes there are , from MacedonianTruth forum, It's forum based on Macedonian DNA results, also there is facebook group.
As I mentioned before, they "work" - "posting" only with full Macedonians, not influenced Macedonians from other neighboring ethnos.

Btw And also my personal database with around 40 raw dna data's from Macedonians, - I'm willing to share these If someone needs.

This statistics are from MacedonianTruth forum I posted up there ^, 50% of these I already have in my database , but I will update them with more for two days, and I'm mentioning again I'm posting only full Macedonians.