German GEDmatch results

[Jana]

He is mostly from Masovia (around Płock) based on his recent genealogy thread here:

https://slawomirambroziak.pl/forum/i...p?topic=5345.0



And I tested (autosomal + Y-DNA) my maternal grandpa's brother with this surname.

He turned out to be autosomally more eastern-shifted, and Y-DNA is R1a. Surprising?

Here his coordinates if you want to check (there is some southern admixture as well):

Wladyslaw_Meller_scaled,0.124067,0.125926,0.069767,0.059755,0.040007,0.023427,0.00893,0.009,0.007158,-0.024602,-0.003735,-0.006444,0.013082,0.017203,-0.012622,0.006099,-0.001434,-0.000633,0.004148,0.013006,-0.002496,-0.005564,0.008134,0.004699,-0.005149

^^^
Check him with your model, I'm curious (probably will be high amount of Greco-Roman).

Actually he scores significant Germanic for an ethnic Pole (like you)

Target: Wladyslaw_Meller_scaled
Distance: 1.6060% / 0.01606007

71.4 (Balto-)Slavic
23.8 Germanic
2.4 Graeco-Roman
1.2 Finnic_like
1.0 Balkan
0.2 Celtic

Many Germans have Slavic clades of R1a. Your own y-dna is some exotic type of R1b and your paternal line is ethnic Polish.

[Leto]

That is not an Anglo-Irish proverb, it is a quote by the Irish nationalist MP Daniel O'Connell, referring to the Duke of Wellington (the British national hero) and his supposed Irishness, which was evidently taken for granted in Britain.

https://www.irishphilosophy.com/2018...ll-wellington/





I don't know about most Anglo-Irish re-emigrating to England after Independence, regardless, they were considered Irish in England, and the native Irish would never have been claimed as English just because they spoke it. This isn't Central Europe.

The Irish language still retains a symbolic status in Ireland, it's not completely lost. They still teach it and use on some occasions. It's also totally different from English, unlike for example some Italian, French and German minority dialects that still more closely resemble the standard idioms in their respective countries.

[Peterski]

Your own y-dna is some exotic type of R1b and your patenral line is ethnic Polish.

My type of R1b has been found in ancient samples of Hallstatt culture Celts recently.

[mariusz99]

It looks like results other Poles are without Balkan or not near to 10%


Target: Mariusz_scaled
Distance: 1.3707% / 0.01370662
66.8 (Balto-)Slavic
18.6 Germanic
9.8 Balkan
3.2 Turkic
1.6 Finnic_like


Target: Mariusz_scaled
Distance: 1.5114% / 0.01511363 | ADC: 0.5x RC
75.0 (Balto-)Slavic
25.0 Germanic

[Jana]

My type of R1b has been found in ancient samples of Hallstatt culture Celts recently.

It's very rare among Poles and non Slavic obviously. I just mentioned because you were implying real Germans can't carry Balto-Slavic R1a.

[Peterski]

Actually he scores significant Germanic for an ethnic Pole

Well in North Europe PCA he plots around the middle of the Polish cluster:



Your model lumps together Baltic & Slavic. Maybe he has some real Baltic?

It is possible that he has some ancestors from East Prussia, but I didn't research it yet.

[Peterski]

It's very rare among Poles and non Slavic obviously.

Actually 4 new ethnic Poles from Belarus joined the L617 Tree on YFull recently:

https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-L617/ - Grodno Oblast, pol (Polish)

But they are not from the same sub-branch as me (as you can see there).

[Sebbo]

Well in North Europe PCA he plots around the middle of the Polish cluster:



Your model lumps together Baltic & Slavic. Maybe he has some real Baltic?

It is possible that he has some ancestors from East Prussia, but I didn't research it yet.

Tomenable, how much Baltic blood to German / Polish speakers from East Prussia have on average? Thanks very much.

[Jana]

[rothaer]

Rothaer just cannot stand that Sven told me that his mother is a Sorb, just like he could not stand (before that) that Kramkowski identifies as Polish (as he wrote on Anthrogenica).

Rothaer wants to be the master & ruler of other peoples' identity...)

What ethnicity someone is or is not is indeed not just a matter of self identification, but of a number of things. I can stand whatever statements, why not? But if a German says he indentifies as a Chinese he will not be a Chinese for me. And if someone that I thoroughly interviewed in November 2018 about the various ethnic characteristics of his mother and the known ancestry and all this turns out to be ethnic German (btw. including the self identification) and this individual later, after being "informed" by Peterska, claims his mother would be Sorb, I can not see that this changes the ethnicity of the mother.

Everybody can apply the defining characteristics of ethnicity, not just me. But this doesn't mean it can be done by self identification alone.