German GEDmatch results

[Jana]

Two Germans fully from Masuria: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masuria

#1
North_Atlantic 31.74 Pct
Baltic 46.77 Pct
West_Med 11.29 Pct
West_Asian 3.53 Pct
East_Med 1.42 Pct
Red_Sea 1.84 Pct
South_Asian 0.16 Pct
East_Asian -
Siberian 2.58 Pct
Amerindian -
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 0.68 Pct

3.07730401 German_East_Prussia_Masuria
3.76753235 Polish_Kujavia
3.96068176 Polish_Warmia-Masuria
6.08317351 Polish_Mazovia
6.12379784 Polish_Greater_Poland
6.21092586 Russian_Smolensk
6.33639487 Polish_Lesser_Poland
6.57611587 German_East_Prussia_Memelland
6.74094207 Estonian
6.84929923 Upper_Silesia
7.07572611 Belarusian_Minsk
7.30593594 Polish_Silesia
7.31696658 Ukrainian_Northwest
7.35227856 Polish_Podlaskie
7.87062259 Polish_South
8.03937187 Ukrainian_North
8.22459725 Polish_Subcarpathia
8.26797436 Russian_Tver-Yaroslavl
8.52699244 Russian_Southwest
8.78556771 Sorb_Saxony_Kamenz
8.78769594 Russian_Pskov
8.90509405 German_Brandenburg_Outlier(Beeskow)
8.97609603 Lithuanian_Aukštaitija
9.00733590 Russian_Ryazan
9.26522531 Russian_Kostroma

Distance: 1.9629% / 1.96290502 | R2P

85.9 Russian_Pskov
14.1 Basque_France

Distance: 2.0259% / 2.02585422 | ADC: 0.25x RC

45.4 German_East_Prussia_Memelland
41.0 Polish_Warmia-Masuria
6.5 Sámi_Finland
4.4 Basque_France
2.7 Finnish_East

#2
North_Atlantic 29.67 Pct
Baltic 48.02 Pct
West_Med 11.08 Pct
West_Asian 4.32 Pct
East_Med 2.23 Pct
Red_Sea 1.18 Pct
South_Asian 1.48 Pct
East_Asian -
Siberian 0.58 Pct
Amerindian 1.08 Pct
Oceanian -
Northeast_African 0.07 Pct
Sub-Saharan 0.29 Pct

3.44384959 German_East_Prussia_Masuria
3.71288298 Russian_Smolensk
3.83173590 Polish_Kujavia
3.96939542 Polish_Mazovia
4.36772252 Belarusian_Minsk
4.82201203 German_East_Prussia_Memelland
4.92094503 Polish_Warmia-Masuria
5.36373937 Ukrainian_Northwest
5.80005172 Polish_Greater_Poland
6.05612087 Ukrainian_North
6.21772466 Polish_Podlaskie
6.25088794 Polish_Lesser_Poland
6.43390239 Russian_Tver-Yaroslavl
6.47779283 Polish_Silesia
6.50405258 Russian_Southwest
6.68579090 Lithuanian_Aukštaitija
6.92605949 Russian_Pskov
6.95202129 Russian_Ryazan
7.25523259 Estonian
7.31271495 Upper_Silesia
7.51663489 German_Brandenburg_Outlier(Beeskow)
7.75519181 Polish_South
7.77767960 Polish_Subcarpathia
8.18447310 Ukrainian_South
8.55555375 Russian_Kostroma

Distance: 1.3014% / 1.30143264 | R2P

57.7 German_East_Prussia_Memelland
42.3 Polish_Silesia

Distance: 0.7998% / 0.79976452 | ADC: 0.25x RC

46.0 German_East_Prussia_Memelland
31.9 Polish_Kujavia
13.6 Polish_Mazovia
6.6 Russian_Tver-Yaroslavl
1.9 Sardinian

[Roy]

From logics and if the British Isles were not empty land, the mixing result is similar to that guy, not the emigrating individuals.

And yes, there can well have emerged a resembling mixing result of Germanic and Celto-Romanic after 1,500 years in England and in Rhein Hesse, which is today a part of Rhineland-Palatinate.

My scenario is though still possible imho. Not like it matters a lot anyway.

[Jana]

Half east German half north German. Haplogroup R1b L23.

North_Atlantic 45.73 Pct
Baltic 31.26 Pct
West_Med 14.81 Pct
West_Asian 2.04 Pct
East_Med 3.99 Pct
Red_Sea 0.77 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian 0.86 Pct
Siberian -
Amerindian -
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 0.48 Pct

5.59729176 German_Hither_Pomerania
6.31317670 German_Mecklenburg_Center/East
7.01535459 German_Brandenburg_Northwest
7.15065032 German_Schleswig-Holstein
7.33340985 Dutch_South-Holland
7.46181613 German_Mecklenburg_West
7.51163098 Swedish_West-Svealand
7.54666151 German_Saxony-Anhalt_South
7.69199584 German_East_Prussia_Central
7.84694845 Swedish_East-Svealand
8.07216204 Swedish_Götaland
8.13328347 Danish
8.26863955 German_Lower_Saxony_North
8.53516256 Norwegian_Southcentral
8.68021313 Dutch_Overijssel
8.71547474 German_Lower_Saxony_South
8.73047536 Dutch_North-Brabant
8.74239670 Dutch_Friesland
8.81656396 German_Westphalia
8.87013529 English_Northeast
8.91951792 Dutch_Gelderland
8.92499860 German_Hamburg
8.94073263 English_East-Midlands
9.05177883 German_Saxony
9.09557585 German_North_Bohemia

Distance: 1.5964% / 1.59636032 | ADC: 0.25x RC

62.6 German_East_Prussia_Central
21.7 German_North_Bohemia
14.7 Basque_France
1.0 German_Hither_Pomerania

[Jana]

Eastern German from various regions. R1a M458 (L1029)

North_Atlantic 37.36 Pct
Baltic 35.35 Pct
West_Med 11.43 Pct
West_Asian 5.21 Pct
East_Med 5.73 Pct
Red_Sea 2.64 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian 1.04 Pct
Oceanian 0.46 Pct
Northeast_African 0.56 Pct
Sub-Saharan 0.22 Pct

4.02779096 German_Thuringia_East
4.40841241 German_West_Prussia
4.67864297 German_Farther_Pomerania
4.86349668 German_Lower_Silesia
5.57017953 German_North_Bohemia
5.63108338 German_Saxony
5.89230855 German_Saxony-Anhalt_South
6.11442557 German_Mecklenburg_Center/East
6.38780870 Czech
7.10089431 German_County_Glatz
7.24511560 Sorb_Saxony_Kamenz
7.34145762 German_Brandenburg_Northwest
7.37272677 Austrian_Styria
7.58092343 German_Thuringia_Central
7.62533934 Slovene
7.65309088 Croat_Northwest
7.67170125 Slovak
7.83342677 German_Hither_Pomerania
8.12123759 Austrian_Carinthia
8.84972881 Hungarian_Transdanubia+Budapest
8.92076790 Hungarian_North
8.94344453 Croat_GorskiKotar
9.13073381 German_Mecklenburg_West
9.66016045 German_North_Moravia
9.75374800 Upper_Silesia

Distance: 1.4571% / 1.45706382 | ADC: 0.25x RC

47.1 German_Saxony
18.5 Czech
18.2 Polish_Kujavia
16.2 German_East_Prussia_Central

[J. Ketch]

My scenario is though still possible imho. Not like it matters a lot anyway.

There probably would have been some amongst the Anglo-Saxon invaders who resembled that German, Celtic mixed Franks etc (there were even Wends among the invaders), but on average the Anglo-Saxons were very Germanic and more northern than that, more like Danes and Frisians. They still can't distinguish Anglo-Saxon from Danish Viking blood in England (but can from Norwegians/Swedes).

Many English are pulled towards Central West Germans rather than Northwest Germans because of later Norman French influence.

[rothaer]

There probably would have been some amongst the Anglo-Saxon invaders who resembled that German, Celtic mixed Franks etc (there were even Wends among the invaders), (...)

The Anglo-Saxon migration to the British Isles was at abt. 450 AD. From where shall Wends (!) have come at that time?

[J. Ketch]

The Anglo-Saxon migration to the British Isles was at abt. 450 AD. From where shall Wends (!) have come at that time?

From the East, same as everyone else

Further reading here:
https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Origi...Race/Chapter_6

[rothaer]

Interesting, it is though crucial to note that Memelland is where Klaipėda region is which is well ... Lithuanian.

It may be noted that the border between Memelland and Lithuania, that you here do - say - not emphasise very much actually was especially old and long lasting:

"In 1422, the Treaty of Melnosee established the border with Lithuania. This remained largely unchanged until 1920, even after Lithuania had fallen to Poland in the 16th century and with it to Russia after the third partition of the country in 1795. After the Pyrenean border, it was the oldest in Europe."

(Quote translated from German Wikipedia article Memelland)

[rothaer]

From the East, same as everyone else

Further reading here:
https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Origi...Race/Chapter_6

Okay, this is real nonsense (from 1906) that is confusing times and identities.

The linkage is obviously an information by Bede and place names that Rugians were among the settlers. This is well possible btw.

The authors refer to the (non-Slavic, non-Germanic) IE Vistula-Veneds from abt. 100 AD, state that they were Slavic Wends and conclude that the Rugians (them being Germanics is proven by their various names in later Rugilant in Lower Austria) that lived in nearby Pomerania must in fact have been Slavic Wends. The authors see themselves confirmed by the fact, that in the 9th century there were Slavs, the tribe of Rujans, on the island of today Rügen.

Obviously the Slavic expansion from abt. 550 AD on, that brought them to all over Eastern Germania magna and also later Eastern Germany, was not known to these authors.

Also, they stick to an old erronous tale about Vandals being Wends, i. e. Slavs, as a fact. Not only that all known Vandal personal names from the migration period are clearly Germanic (like Geiserich, Gelimer, Godigisel, Gunderich, Gunthamund, Hilderich, Hunerich and Thrasamund), but in later times we have the DNA sequenced from the Eastern Germanic - assumingly Vandal - chieftain DA119 (abt. 430 AD) from Deutschendorf-Matzdorf (Poprad-Matejovce in Slovakian) in Eastern Slovakia. This DNA is close to today Dutch DNA and has no proportion of Slavic-like DNA.

Also, some irrational German nationalists that can not stand the idea that Eastern Germans do have a notable proportion of non-Germanic ancestry claim that all Slavs are just an invention and they in fact are all Eastern Germanics that by some evil actions just got that Slavic language imposed by - I don't know. However, various DNA finds, including the mentioned DA119, do confirm that Eastern Germanics did not have the well known Slavic-like DNA and the latter first spread with the Slavic expansion over Eastern Germany. So also that general equalizing of Eastern Germanics and Slavs should now be discarded by everyone that is accepting scientific DNA results.

[J. Ketch]

Okay, this is real nonsense (from 1906) that is confusing times and identities.

The linkage is obviously an information by Bede and place names that Rugians were among the settlers. This is well possible btw.

The authors refer to the (non-Slavic, non-Germanic) IE Vistula-Veneds from abt. 100 AD, state that they were Slavic Wends and conclude that the Rugians (them being Germanics is proven by their various names in Later Rugilant in Lower Austria) that lived in nearby Pomerania must in fact have been Slavic Wends. The authors see themselves confirmed by the fact, that in the 9th century there were Slavs, the tribe of Rujans, on the island of today Rügen.

Obviously the Slavic expansion from abt. 550 AD on, that brought them to all over Eastern Germania magna and also later Eastern Germany, was not known to these authors.

Also they stick to an old erronous tale about Vandals being Wends, i. e. Slavs, as a fact. Not only that all known Vandal personal names from the migration period are clearly Germanic (like Geiserich, Hunerich etc.), but in later times we have the DNA sequenced from the assumingly Vandal chieftain DA119 (abt. 430 AD) from Deutschendorf-Matzdorf (Poprad-Matejovce in Slovakian) in Eastern Slovakia. This DNA is close to today Dutch DNA and has no proportion of Slavic-like DNA.

Also some irrational German nationalists that can not stand the idea that Eastern Germans do have a notable proportion of non-Germanic ancestry claim that all Slavs are just an invention and they in fact are all Eastern Germanics that by some evil actions just got that Slavic language imposed by - I don't know. However, various DNA finds, including the mentioned DA119, do confirm that Eastern Germanics did not have the well known Slavic-like DNA and the latter first spread with the Slavic expansion over Eastern Germany. So also that general equalizing of Eastern Germanics and Slavs should now be discarded by everyone that is accepting scientific DNA results.

Point taken. I mentioned them only as an illustration that the Anglo-Saxon invasions were more heterogenous than is often thought (more than simply Angles, Saxons and Jutes).