Slovene DNA Results

[Jana]

They all have 4/4 grandparents born within present-day Slovenia, except Grandparent 1, where one grandparent is unknown.

Thanks. But were their ancestors all ethnic Slovenes or maybe some Germans/Hungarians eto too?

[MCMXCV]

Silly question, but is there an option to delete replies? I accidentally replied without quoting two times. Only later realised, I could edit it instead of answering again…

[MCMXCV]

Thanks. But were their ancestors all ethnic Slovenes or maybe some Germans/Hungarians eto too?

This isn’t easy to answer. Hungarians no, but regarding Germans it’s hard to say.
For my tested parent, I’d answer yes, they were ethnically Slovene.
Grandparent 2 has some ancestors originating from the area which used to be ethnically German before WWII, and they told me how a great-grandfather was “German”.

[MCMXCV]

Here's your parent (p), grandparent1 (gp1), and grandparent2 (gp2) plotted on a Eurogenes K15 PCA map.
For comparison, those black dots are from a genetic study on Slovenians, samples taken from Ljubljana.

Thanks! By the looks of it, they don’t seem an outlier.

[MCMXCV]

Thanks.
I have some ancestors born about 1800 in the region number 54 on your map.

Looking at your posted maps and comparing them with the 23andMe estimates, I find it interesting how Grandparent 2 with the largest Greek & Balkan percentage (8.2%) has the least coloured regions in that area on your map. Serbia and parts of Bosnia especially stand out, being almost completely blue, while it’s green to yellow in the other two maps, whose tested persons only have 2.1%/1.7% and 4.2% of Greek & Balkan estimates in comparison.

[ph2ter]

Thanks! By the looks of it, they don’t seem an outlier.

Here is my K13 PCA with your kits.



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[Luke35]

GRANDPARENT 2

European 100%

Eastern European 68.4%
Slovenia Likely Match
1. Ljubljana
2. Lendava
Poland Possible Match
1. Podkarpackie Voivodeship
2. Lesser Poland Voivodeship
3. Silesian Voivodeship
4. Łódź Voivodeship
5. Greater Poland Voivodeship
6. Masovian Voivodeship
7. Lower Silesian Voivodeship
Russia Possible Match
1. Moscow Oblast
2. Irkutsk Oblast
3. Novosibirsk Oblast
4. Saint Petersburg
5. Kemerovo Oblast
6. Tula Oblast

Northwestern European 19.5%
French & German 18.6%
Austria Possible Match
1. Burgenland
2. Styria
Germany Possible Match
1. North Rhine-Westphalia
2. Bavaria
3. Hamburg
4. Hesse
Finnish 0.6%
Broadly Northwestern European 0.3%

Southern European 8.2%
Greek & Balkan 8.2%
Croatia Possible Match
1. Split-Dalmatia County
2. Dubrovnik-Neretva County
3. Karlovac County
4. Primorje-Gorski Kotar County

Broadly European 3.9%

Results look totally normal and the 23andMe results and GEDmatch look to be copesetic.

So the grandparent who scores higher French & German is infact the grandparent with a possible German ancestor? Also, is your tested parent the child of your grandparents? If so, and the accounts are connected, then your parent will be phased, and their estimate is theoretically the most accurate.

What's interesting is that these 23andMe results, and also the GED results, are very similar to how many Hungarians score. The main difference I can see as far as 23andMe results is the Slovenia recent ancestor location. I don't think Hungarians usually score Slovenia at all.

[MCMXCV]

Results look totally normal and the 23andMe results and GEDmatch look to be copesetic.

So the grandparent who scores higher French & German is infact the grandparent with a possible German ancestor? Also, is your tested parent the child of your grandparents? If so, and the accounts are connected, then your parent will be phased, and their estimate is theoretically the most accurate.

What's interesting is that these 23andMe results, and also the GED results, are very similar to how many Hungarians score. The main difference I can see as far as 23andMe results is the Slovenia recent ancestor location. I don't think Hungarians usually score Slovenia at all.

Grandparent 1 has an unknown grandfather. There was some theorisation who it may be, but that would require some Italian admixture, which rules out that possibility. Therefore, the identity remains unknown. Overall, the family tree of Grandparent 1 is the least explored by far when compared to other three of my grandparents. Currently, though, they don’t seem any more or less German than most of my other ancestors.
Given having the highest French & German estimate of the three (27%), I’m surprised 23andMe wasn’t able to break it down at least into countries if not subregions. When I uploaded raw data to MyHeritage, Grandparent 1 was the only one with a genetic group which didn’t disappear at the highest confidence level, namely Northern Switzerland, Southern Germany, Eastern France and Western Austria. Albeit, I’ve read MyHeritage is the least reliable…

The tested parent is the child of Grandparent 1, while Grandparent 2 is unrelated to them. The percentages and the raw data I posted for Parent are those after phasing. While they are indeed likely more accurate, it was somewhat disappointing phasing increased the broadly estimates and gave 0.1% Unassigned which wasn’t there before.

Phasing also revealed 1.6% of Ashkenazi Jewish ancestry comes from the untested grandparent and was unexpected. Unlike 0.6% Finnish with Grandparent 2, I suppose that isn’t just noise. What also surprised me is how Grandparent 2 had Poland and Russia as Possible Matches, unlike the other two family members, who only got Slovenia in Eastern European. None of them as Highly Likely Match, though.

Here, I posted the regions where my known ancestors were born. If you look eastern from there, regions № 36 and 22 used to be part of the Hungarian half of the Austro-Hungarian Empire before 1918. It maybe isn’t directly next to the ethnic border with Hungarians, but it neighboured the historically Hungarian territory. It could potentially explain the similarity to Hungarian results.

Just, overall, the reason why I wasn’t so sure about my results — besides my friend not getting any French & German and Greek & Balkan — was seeing videos online how certain people could easily pinpoint an ancestors in their family tree with the given ancestry, including the subregions. I suspect that’s much rarer in reality.

[Jana]

here are your family updated Vahaduo K13 results:

Distance to: Parent

2.38079819 Austrian_Styria
3.39140089 German_County_Glatz
4.34259139 Croat_Gorski_Kotar
4.52778091 Hungarian_Transdanubia+Budapest
4.68841124 Austrian_Carinthia
5.23015296 Slovene
5.93997475 Croat_Northwest
5.97893803 Hungarian_Alföld
6.16171242 German_West_Bohemia
6.31285197 Croat_Central
6.38570278 German_Bavarian_Swabia
6.51891095 German_North_Bohemia
6.96445260 German_Saxony
7.09625958 Croat_Kvarner
7.17145034 German_Lower_Silesia
7.19534572 Hungarian_North
7.35953803 German_Thuringia_East
7.36829017 Csángó-Ceangău
7.55206594 German_Thuringia_Central
7.73789377 Hungarian_Transylvania+Székely
7.74897896 Austrian_Lower_Austria
7.81591325 Croat_Lika
8.24588989 Croat_Istria
8.25008485 Austrian_Salzburg-Upper_Austria
8.27657538 Slovak

Distance to: Grand Parent 1

2.99424448 Croat_Gorski_Kotar
3.00389747 Austrian_Styria
3.16780681 Austrian_Carinthia
3.55156304 Hungarian_Transdanubia+Budapest
3.72562746 Slovene
4.46357480 Croat_Central
4.53622089 Hungarian_Alföld
4.56487678 Croat_Northwest
4.69094873 German_County_Glatz
5.55382751 Hungarian_North
5.61021390 Croat_Kvarner
6.23755561 Croat_Lika
6.57974924 German_Lower_Silesia
6.76781353 Croat_Istria
6.87789939 Slovak
7.03385385 Csángó-Ceangău
7.28600027 German_North_Bohemia
7.33209383 German_Bavarian_Swabia
7.33788798 Hungarian_Transylvania+Székely
7.40173628 Lemko_Poland
7.49727284 Croat_Dalmatia
7.52642013 Croat_Bosnia
7.53254273 Croat_Slavonia
7.64560658 Bosniak_Krajina_West
7.66966101 German_West_Bohemia

Distance to: Grand Parent 2

3.55253431 Slovene
3.73753930 Austrian_Styria
3.91661844 German_Lower_Silesia
4.38369707 Austrian_Carinthia
4.39072887 Croat_Northwest
4.76281429 German_County_Glatz
4.88280657 German_North_Bohemia
5.13564991 Croat_Gorski_Kotar
5.17420525 Hungarian_Transdanubia+Budapest
5.40496068 German_Thuringia_East
5.45559346 Slovak
5.72117121 Czech
5.82716054 Hungarian_North
6.07096368 German_Saxony
6.56428976 Croat_Central
6.57807723 German_Thuringia_Central
6.76124988 Hungarian_Alföld
7.02878368 German_West_Prussia
8.27908207 German_Saxony-Anhalt_South
8.31010830 Lemko_Poland
8.49858223 German_West_Bohemia
8.67187408 Sorb_Saxony_Kamenz
8.71808465 German_Farther_Pomerania
8.79850555 Croat_Kvarner
9.17620292 German_Mecklenburg_Center/East

[Petalpusher]

It doesn't make much sense as to how Gedmatch results can be such a divergence from the very information it has received from said DNA site.

It has little correlation how much you score North Atlantic, Baltic and whatever, to your 23andme score of national categories. You can be for example half English half Nigeria and obviously get lower "N.Atlantic" than most countries in Europe as it's gonna be cut in half, while still getting around 50% British and Irish on 23andme, as it should be. All these scores in 23andme are more based on IBD and specific local markers than pure admixture proportions, even less compared to made up Eurogenes components.

If someone doesn't score F&G, he just doesn't have enough IBD/blocks in common, either too old, diluted or too mixed with other things to detect it with confidence as a percentage of this specific group. It improved a lot through the years. For example when i tested i had something like 35% F&G + a lot of British (which i was sure i didn't have), now im over 75% F&G, and i think it's the case for anyone with real recent ancestry from this part of Europe. It's more or less a Rhine valley peak with its large vicinity that is shared around.