Slovene DNA Results

**vbnetkhio** · 04-11-2022, 12:14 PM

Originally Posted by ph2ter

are you using all of these averages?

Code:

Serb_CentralCroatia,24.83,30.66,16.70,9.10,15.19,1.43,0.55,0.29,0.36,0.46,0.31,0.04,0.08
Serb_NorthEastBosnia,25.49,30.63,16.30,8.40,14.66,1.78,0.54,0.29,0.95,0.55,0.34,0.06,0.01
Serb_CentralSerbia,24.59,29.55,17.43,8.40,16.48,1.44,0.53,0.23,0.72,0.30,0.31,0.00,0.02
Serb_Dalmatia,25.69,28.77,16.89,9.22,15.58,1.30,0.60,0.31,0.63,0.45,0.41,0.10,0.06
Serb_EastSerbia,23.79,29.45,16.91,8.77,16.35,2.00,0.59,0.10,1.00,0.71,0.32,0.00,0.00
Serb_Herzegovina,25.61,27.75,17.32,8.27,16.79,1.96,0.27,0.12,0.57,0.52,0.64,0.13,0.05
Serb_KosovoMetohija,25.02,26.73,17.99,8.89,17.80,1.57,0.22,0.17,0.54,0.52,0.25,0.14,0.16
Serb_BosanskaKrajina,24.77,30.01,16.92,9.30,14.88,1.51,0.72,0.37,0.42,0.37,0.58,0.01,0.13
Serb_Lika,25.15,29.65,16.89,8.49,15.88,1.59,0.45,0.18,0.68,0.56,0.31,0.13,0.04
Serb_SoutheastSerbia,23.75,28.51,17.01,9.38,16.94,2.13,0.43,0.34,0.61,0.40,0.26,0.15,0.11
Serb_SouthwestSerbia,26.38,28.39,16.97,9.07,15.59,1.51,0.47,0.18,0.57,0.31,0.21,0.20,0.14
Serb_Vojvodina,24.78,27.96,17.42,9.44,16.03,1.69,0.72,0.40,0.17,0.75,0.47,0.06,0.12
Serb_WestSerbia,25.67,30.22,16.56,8.28,15.69,1.17,0.61,0.37,0.61,0.39,0.35,0.00,0.08
Vlach_Serbia,22.77,27.08,19.09,10.03,16.82,1.28,0.34,1.25,0.36,0.49,0.47,0.00,0.17
Montenegro_Old_Herzegovina,25.98,27.45,17.63,8.87,15.99,1.31,0.38,0.43,0.48,1.15,0.23,0.00,0.13
Montenegro_SouthEast,22.76,25.94,19.54,9.88,17.90,1.79,0.60,0.25,0.67,0.28,0.30,0.06,0.03

there is an average for the northwestern half of Montenegro (Old herzegovina) (if you're not already using it). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Herzegovina
you can split the western half of Serbia into "West" and "Southwest" ("Podrinje and Posavina" and "Raška" on this map: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geogra...:Serbia022.png)

also the Serbs from Doboj region are part of the Northeast, not Krajina (they are very similar, but still)

**Luke35** · 04-11-2022, 01:05 PM

Originally Posted by MCMXCV

ME

K13
1 Baltic 33.29
2 North_Atlantic 31.11
3 West_Med 15.87
4 West_Asian 8.49
5 East_Med 6.63
6 Red_Sea 2.33
7 Siberian 1.61
8 Amerindian 0.44
9 South_Asian 0.24

K15
1 North_Sea 26.6
2 Baltic 19.44
3 Atlantic 13.95
4 West_Med 13.86
5 Eastern_Euro 13.29
6 West_Asian 6.81
7 East_Med 3.47
8 Red_Sea 1.49
9 Siberian 0.97
10 Amerindian 0.11
11 South_Asian 0.0

Code:

MCMXCV_k13,31.11,33.29,15.87,8.49,6.63,2.33,0.24,0,1.61,0.44,0,0,0

Code:

MCMXCV_k15,26.6,13.95,19.44,13.29,13.86,6.81,3.47,1.49,0,0,0.97,0.11,0,0,0

Code:

Smaller regions Eurogenes K13:

Target: MCMXCV_k13
Distance: 323.8845% / 3.23884459 | ADC: 0.5x
55.2	Austrian_Styria
18.8	Croat_Northwest
14.2	Ukrainian_Galicia
11.8	Csángó-Ceangău

Distance to:	MCMXCV_k13
4.17530837	Hungarian_Transdanubia+Budapest
4.26404737	Croat_Northwest
4.40591648	Slovene
4.48364807	Croat_GorskiKotar
4.53137948	Austrian_Styria
4.96553119	Hungarian_Alföld
5.03074547	Austrian_Carinthia
5.23708889	Croat_Central
5.72265673	Hungarian_North
5.82912515	Slovak
6.15412057	German_County_Glatz
6.22341546	German_Lower_Silesia
6.83617583	Lemko_Poland
6.90506336	Croat_Kvarner
7.11142039	Csángó-Ceangău
7.27578174	Czech
7.45516599	Croat_Lika
7.79901917	Bosniak_Northeast
8.04129965	Bosniak_Central
8.04585608	Bosniak_Krajina_East
8.12213642	Ukrainian_Carpathians
8.37300424	German_Thuringia_East
8.40701493	Ukrainian_Galicia
8.47321663	Hungarian_Transylvania+Székely
8.50105288	Croat_Istria


Larger regions Eurogenes K13:

Target: MCMXCV_k13
Distance: 309.9751% / 3.09975140 | ADC: 0.5x
65.8	Austrian_Styria
21.4	Ukrainian_Galicia
12.8	Csángó-Ceangău

Distance to:	MCMXCV_k13
4.40591648	Slovene
4.53137948	Austrian_Styria
4.64014008	Croat_Northern
4.69075687	Hungarian
5.03074547	Austrian_Carinthia
5.72265673	Hungarian_North
5.82912515	Slovak
6.59812094	Croat
6.83617583	Lemko_Poland
7.11142039	Csángó-Ceangău
7.27578174	Czech
8.12213642	Ukrainian_Carpathians
8.40701493	Ukrainian_Galicia
8.43292950	Croat_Southern
8.47321663	Hungarian_Transylvania
8.89618458	Austrian
8.98943825	German_Southeast
9.56154276	Moldovan_North
9.72730692	Bosniak
9.95591282	Romanian_North
10.43217619	Polish_South
10.74522685	Sorb
11.00389817	Austrian_Lower_Austria
11.14894614	Moldovan_Central
11.15422790	Polish_Subcarpathia


Eurogenes K15 Updated:

Target: MCMXCV_k15
Distance: 547.1387% / 5.47138706 | ADC: 0.5x
68.4	Croat_Bosnia
30.8	East_German
0.8	Polish_Masuria

Distance to:	MCMXCV_k15
6.63917069	Croat_Bosnia
7.22724014	Hungarian
8.03821891	Slovak
8.52351183	Slovenian
8.88379986	East_German
9.08004956	Austria-Burgenland
9.11392341	Czech
10.09959900	Moldavian
10.17111105	Kaykavian_Croatian
10.82974146	Croatian
11.69974011	Serbian_Bosnia
11.78470195	Ukrainian_Lviv
12.10190960	Bosnian
12.40889600	Sorb_Lusatia
12.77369954	Austrian
12.98643812	Szekely
13.02688374	South_Polish
13.08110469	Bosniak
13.22866206	Serbian
13.42485754	Polish_Masuria
13.64641345	Romania_Nw
13.86654247	Romania_Ne
14.01860549	Austria-Tyrol
14.34660459	Montenegrin
14.53923657	French_Alsace

**ph2ter** · 04-11-2022, 01:11 PM

Originally Posted by vbnetkhio

are you using all of these averages?

Code:

Serb_CentralCroatia,24.83,30.66,16.70,9.10,15.19,1.43,0.55,0.29,0.36,0.46,0.31,0.04,0.08
Serb_NorthEastBosnia,25.49,30.63,16.30,8.40,14.66,1.78,0.54,0.29,0.95,0.55,0.34,0.06,0.01
Serb_CentralSerbia,24.59,29.55,17.43,8.40,16.48,1.44,0.53,0.23,0.72,0.30,0.31,0.00,0.02
Serb_Dalmatia,25.69,28.77,16.89,9.22,15.58,1.30,0.60,0.31,0.63,0.45,0.41,0.10,0.06
Serb_EastSerbia,23.79,29.45,16.91,8.77,16.35,2.00,0.59,0.10,1.00,0.71,0.32,0.00,0.00
Serb_Herzegovina,25.61,27.75,17.32,8.27,16.79,1.96,0.27,0.12,0.57,0.52,0.64,0.13,0.05
Serb_KosovoMetohija,25.02,26.73,17.99,8.89,17.80,1.57,0.22,0.17,0.54,0.52,0.25,0.14,0.16
Serb_BosanskaKrajina,24.77,30.01,16.92,9.30,14.88,1.51,0.72,0.37,0.42,0.37,0.58,0.01,0.13
Serb_Lika,25.15,29.65,16.89,8.49,15.88,1.59,0.45,0.18,0.68,0.56,0.31,0.13,0.04
Serb_SoutheastSerbia,23.75,28.51,17.01,9.38,16.94,2.13,0.43,0.34,0.61,0.40,0.26,0.15,0.11
Serb_SouthwestSerbia,26.38,28.39,16.97,9.07,15.59,1.51,0.47,0.18,0.57,0.31,0.21,0.20,0.14
Serb_Vojvodina,24.78,27.96,17.42,9.44,16.03,1.69,0.72,0.40,0.17,0.75,0.47,0.06,0.12
Serb_WestSerbia,25.67,30.22,16.56,8.28,15.69,1.17,0.61,0.37,0.61,0.39,0.35,0.00,0.08
Vlach_Serbia,22.77,27.08,19.09,10.03,16.82,1.28,0.34,1.25,0.36,0.49,0.47,0.00,0.17
Montenegro_Old_Herzegovina,25.98,27.45,17.63,8.87,15.99,1.31,0.38,0.43,0.48,1.15,0.23,0.00,0.13
Montenegro_SouthEast,22.76,25.94,19.54,9.88,17.90,1.79,0.60,0.25,0.67,0.28,0.30,0.06,0.03

there is an average for the northwestern half of Montenegro (Old herzegovina) (if you're not already using it). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Herzegovina
you can split the western half of Serbia into "West" and "Southwest" ("Podrinje and Posavina" and "Raška" on this map: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geogra...:Serbia022.png)

also the Serbs from Doboj region are part of the Northeast, not Krajina (they are very similar, but still)

Here:

**MCMXCV** · 04-11-2022, 01:41 PM

Originally Posted by ph2ter

Sincere thanks, ph2ter!

I’m surprised how many more red regions I have compared to my tested family members. The whole Hungary really stands out, аs well as the highlighted regions of northern Croatia and the Hmeljnicjka oblastj in Ukraine.

Also, what does the first map posted here (titled MCMXCV_K13) show?

**ph2ter** · 04-11-2022, 02:22 PM

Originally Posted by MCMXCV

Sincere thanks, ph2ter!

I’m surprised how many more red regions I have compared to my tested family members. The whole Hungary really stands out, аs well as the highlighted regions of northern Croatia and the Hmeljnicjka oblastj in Ukraine.

Also, what does the first map posted here (titled MCMXCV_K13) show?

Some of your other kits for which I thought that it was yours.

**MCMXCV** · 04-11-2022, 04:11 PM

Originally Posted by Mr.G

Code:

MCMXCV_k13,31.11,33.29,15.87,8.49,6.63,2.33,0.24,0,1.61,0.44,0,0,0

Code:

MCMXCV_k15,26.6,13.95,19.44,13.29,13.86,6.81,3.47,1.49,0,0,0.97,0.11,0,0,0

Code:

Smaller regions Eurogenes K13:

Target: MCMXCV_k13
Distance: 323.8845% / 3.23884459 | ADC: 0.5x
55.2	Austrian_Styria
18.8	Croat_Northwest
14.2	Ukrainian_Galicia
11.8	Csángó-Ceangău

Distance to:	MCMXCV_k13
4.17530837	Hungarian_Transdanubia+Budapest
4.26404737	Croat_Northwest
4.40591648	Slovene
4.48364807	Croat_GorskiKotar
4.53137948	Austrian_Styria
4.96553119	Hungarian_Alföld
5.03074547	Austrian_Carinthia
5.23708889	Croat_Central
5.72265673	Hungarian_North
5.82912515	Slovak
6.15412057	German_County_Glatz
6.22341546	German_Lower_Silesia
6.83617583	Lemko_Poland
6.90506336	Croat_Kvarner
7.11142039	Csángó-Ceangău
7.27578174	Czech
7.45516599	Croat_Lika
7.79901917	Bosniak_Northeast
8.04129965	Bosniak_Central
8.04585608	Bosniak_Krajina_East
8.12213642	Ukrainian_Carpathians
8.37300424	German_Thuringia_East
8.40701493	Ukrainian_Galicia
8.47321663	Hungarian_Transylvania+Székely
8.50105288	Croat_Istria


Larger regions Eurogenes K13:

Target: MCMXCV_k13
Distance: 309.9751% / 3.09975140 | ADC: 0.5x
65.8	Austrian_Styria
21.4	Ukrainian_Galicia
12.8	Csángó-Ceangău

Distance to:	MCMXCV_k13
4.40591648	Slovene
4.53137948	Austrian_Styria
4.64014008	Croat_Northern
4.69075687	Hungarian
5.03074547	Austrian_Carinthia
5.72265673	Hungarian_North
5.82912515	Slovak
6.59812094	Croat
6.83617583	Lemko_Poland
7.11142039	Csángó-Ceangău
7.27578174	Czech
8.12213642	Ukrainian_Carpathians
8.40701493	Ukrainian_Galicia
8.43292950	Croat_Southern
8.47321663	Hungarian_Transylvania
8.89618458	Austrian
8.98943825	German_Southeast
9.56154276	Moldovan_North
9.72730692	Bosniak
9.95591282	Romanian_North
10.43217619	Polish_South
10.74522685	Sorb
11.00389817	Austrian_Lower_Austria
11.14894614	Moldovan_Central
11.15422790	Polish_Subcarpathia


Eurogenes K15 Updated:

Target: MCMXCV_k15
Distance: 547.1387% / 5.47138706 | ADC: 0.5x
68.4	Croat_Bosnia
30.8	East_German
0.8	Polish_Masuria

Distance to:	MCMXCV_k15
6.63917069	Croat_Bosnia
7.22724014	Hungarian
8.03821891	Slovak
8.52351183	Slovenian
8.88379986	East_German
9.08004956	Austria-Burgenland
9.11392341	Czech
10.09959900	Moldavian
10.17111105	Kaykavian_Croatian
10.82974146	Croatian
11.69974011	Serbian_Bosnia
11.78470195	Ukrainian_Lviv
12.10190960	Bosnian
12.40889600	Sorb_Lusatia
12.77369954	Austrian
12.98643812	Szekely
13.02688374	South_Polish
13.08110469	Bosniak
13.22866206	Serbian
13.42485754	Polish_Masuria
13.64641345	Romania_Nw
13.86654247	Romania_Ne
14.01860549	Austria-Tyrol
14.34660459	Montenegrin
14.53923657	French_Alsace

I always enjoy seeing these distance estimates, so thanks for these numbers! Why would you say there’s a difference between K13 and K17, with Croat_Bosnia being on the top in the latter?
From what I understand, all these estimates show the genetic similarity to the listed populations, but not necessarily the origin of my ancestors? Or is it way more distanced ancestors? What I’m trying to say is that I can quite confidently state that at least ¾ of my ancestors can be traced back to at least mid-18th century and were all born within present-day Slovenia, and this would go against it. I certainly wouldn’t expect 100% Slovene; I’m just trying to understand.
Can I, for example, expect to find an ancestor who was born in Galicia or comes from an area where Csángós live, when I go further back, or would it be before there’re any records?

**rothaer** · 04-13-2022, 09:20 PM

Originally Posted by MCMXCV

(...)

Great collection of tests!

Did you connect all tested individuals in their parent-child relation (resulting in getting phased against one or two parents and improving the Ancestry Composition of all involved)?

Maybe also interesting: https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...dMe-Change-Log!

**rothaer** · 04-13-2022, 09:23 PM

Originally Posted by MCMXCV

(...)

How many % DNA do you have in common with your 4 grandparents (see matching list)? Just curious for the spread (deviation from 25%:25%:25%:25%).

**MCMXCV** · 04-13-2022, 09:37 PM

Originally Posted by rothaer

How many % DNA do you have in common with your 4 grandparents (see matching list)? Just curious for the spread (deviation from 25%:25%:25%:25%).

28.19% : 21.81% : 22.02% : 27.98%

It’s Grandparent 1 : untested parent of Parent : Grandparent 2 : other untested grandparent. Doesn’t seem like a significant deviation, although I’m not sure how common that is.

**MCMXCV** · 04-13-2022, 09:44 PM

Originally Posted by rothaer

Great collection of tests!

Did you connect all tested individuals in their parent-child relation (resulting in getting phased against one or two parents and improving the Ancestry Composition of all involved)?

Maybe also interesting: https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...dMe-Change-Log!

I only saw this after the above reply.

Parent phased against Grandparent 1 (I also saw the estimates prior to that), and I phased against my parent when getting my results. Grandparent 2 is from my untested parent, so there isn’t a connection by phasing, only the usual one.

And thanks for the link. I saw that post, but since tests have been made just recently and there hasn’t been an update, I didn’t think it’s worth sharing. It’s only the initial date and phasing.