Dodecad k12b West & Central Asian results Vol 4.

[Melonman]

Very interesting results. Didnt expect tajiks to be that close to Iranians.

There are tajiks from Herat who are this close. Actually closer.

Then there are shia tajiks all over the country who can be really close too, but they have iranian ancestry though.


This one however seems to be an outlier

[Leto]

An Uzbek girl from the Farg'ona region (no kit number, only the K12b and K13 values)


Gedrosia 18.7
Siberian 15.54
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 2.53
Atlantic_Med 5.97
North_European 15.48
South_Asian 5.43
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 3.99
East_Asian 20.32
Caucasus 12.04
Sub_Saharan -

Distance to: Uzbek_Farg'ona
5.55407058 Uzbek
5.57835101 Uzbeki
7.00659689 Turkmen_Afghanistan
9.57198517 Uyghur_Xinjiang
11.06973351 Turkmen_Uzbekistan
12.15058435 Turkmen_Turkmenistan
12.34499899 Hazara
12.92836030 Nogai_Stavropol
13.42197824 Karakalpak
16.89864787 Nogai_Astrakhan

Target: Uzbek_Farg'ona
Distance: 83.5749% / 0.83574884 | ADC: 0.25x RC
49.6 Uzbek
26.8 Hazara
13.4 Altaian_Chelkan
4.4 Haryana_Ror
3.0 Spanish_Basque
2.8 Kuwait2

Target: Uzbek_Farg'ona
Distance: 270.7958% / 2.70795849 | ADC: 0.5x RC
71.6 Uzbek
17.0 Hazara
11.4 Tubalar

[turan4]

More samples from the different Iranian groups. I would like to see more Tats and Iranian Kurds.

1 Caucasus 41.18
2 Gedrosia 22.02
3 North_European 12.52
4 Southwest_Asian 11.03
5 Atlantic_Med 6.49
6 South_Asian 2.08
7 East_Asian 1.89
8 Northwest_African 1.12
9 Siberian 1.07
10 Southeast_Asian 0.54
11 East_African 0.06

I am Tat from Azerbaijan

[Leto]

1 Caucasus 41.18
2 Gedrosia 22.02
3 North_European 12.52
4 Southwest_Asian 11.03
5 Atlantic_Med 6.49
6 South_Asian 2.08
7 East_Asian 1.89
8 Northwest_African 1.12
9 Siberian 1.07
10 Southeast_Asian 0.54
11 East_African 0.06

I am Tat from Azerbaijan

Hi. I think someone has posted your results here before. Your Steppe ancestry is relatively high, 12.5% North European. Do you know your Y DNA? Also, is the Tat language still alive?

[Melonman]

Turkmen from apparently Asghabat, Turkmenistan:






1 Caucasus 21.39
2 East_Asian 18.21
3 Siberian 18.16
4 North_European 13.3
5 Gedrosia 12.61
6 Atlantic_Med 5.67
7 Southwest_Asian 4.4
8 Southeast_Asian 3.45
9 South_Asian 2.81






1 Uzbeks (Behar) 10.4
2 Hazara (HGDP) 18.44
3 Uygur (HGDP) 18.52
4 Nogais (Yunusbayev) 19.56
5 Turkmens (Yunusbayev) 23.13
6 Tajiks (Yunusbayev) 26.77
7 Kumyks (Yunusbayev) 32.21
8 Turks (Behar) 32.68
9 Turkish (Dodecad) 33.27
10 Altai (Rasmussen) 34.75
11 Iranian (Dodecad) 35.25
12 Kurd (Dodecad) 35.77
13 Iranians (Behar) 36.26
14 Kurds (Yunusbayev) 37.16
15 Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) 37.9
16 Lezgins (Behar) 38.31
17 Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) 38.33
18 Mongol (Rasmussen) 38.49
19 Ashkenazi (Dodecad) 38.49
20 Greek (Dodecad) 38.95






1 83.7% Uzbeks (Behar) + 16.3% Cypriots (Behar) @ 6.35
2 84.2% Uzbeks (Behar) + 15.8% Druze (HGDP) @ 6.66
3 85.6% Uzbeks (Behar) + 14.4% Samaritians (Behar) @ 6.7
4 80.6% Uzbeks (Behar) + 19.4% Turkish (Dodecad) @ 6.84
5 82.7% Uzbeks (Behar) + 17.3% Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) @ 6.87
6 82.9% Uzbeks (Behar) + 17.1% Ashkenazi (Dodecad) @ 6.89
7 83.4% Uzbeks (Behar) + 16.6% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) @ 6.92
8 80.6% Uzbeks (Behar) + 19.4% Turks (Behar) @ 7
9 83.3% Uzbeks (Behar) + 16.7% Lebanese (Behar) @ 7.03
10 85.1% Uzbeks (Behar) + 14.9% Armenian (Dodecad) @ 7.18
11 85.5% Uzbeks (Behar) + 14.5% Armenians (Behar) @ 7.18
12 51.6% Turks (Behar) + 48.4% Altai (Rasmussen) @ 7.22
13 83.9% Uzbeks (Behar) + 16.1% Sicilian (Dodecad) @ 7.23
14 84.1% Uzbeks (Behar) + 15.9% Morocco_Jews (Behar) @ 7.23
15 83.8% Uzbeks (Behar) + 16.2% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) @ 7.25
16 85% Uzbeks (Behar) + 15% Palestinian (HGDP) @ 7.28
17 84.8% Uzbeks (Behar) + 15.2% Georgia_Jews (Behar) @ 7.28
18 51.1% Turkish (Dodecad) + 48.9% Altai (Rasmussen) @ 7.29
19 85.2% Uzbeks (Behar) + 14.8% Armenians_15 (Yunusbayev) @ 7.33
20 85.2% Uzbeks (Behar) + 14.8% Assyrian (Dodecad) @ 7.33

[turan4]

Hi. I think someone has posted your results here before. Your Steppe ancestry is relatively high, 12.5% North European. Do you know your Y DNA? Also, is the Tat language still alive?

Oh, cool. Unfortunately, I don't know my Y DNA since I tested in FTDNA. I knew that my ancestors lived in mountainous area and there was relatively less mixing.

In my town, language is dying with each generation. My grandparents are fluent, my parents can speak to some degree but my generation (people around 20) knows only few words

[Leto]

Oh, cool. Unfortunately, I don't know my Y DNA since I tested in FTDNA. I knew that my ancestors lived in mountainous area and there was relatively less mixing.

In my town, language is dying with each generation. My grandparents are fluent, my parents can speak to some degree but my generation (people around 20) knows only few words

I see. And the language that's replacing Tat is obviously Azerbaijani.
Do you think the Tats are basically a kind of Persians?

[turan4]

I see. And the language that's replacing Tat is obviously Azerbaijani.
Do you think the Tats are basically a kind of Persians?

Yes, Azerbaijani is replacing tat.

I am not sure. But, from my little research, I couldn't find any sources about persian migration to south east caucasian mountains. I believe tats are caucasians who were assimilated to persians since 2000-3000 years ago the areas that tats live now were northern borders of big persian empires and persian was lingua franca in the region. So, I think tats are caucasians + some mixing with persians.

I asked from a lot of elderly people about possible migration from iran but none of them heard anything about it from their ancestors. They only believed it because of history books.

I know that my father's village was formed by migration from nearby town (ismayilli) about 500 years ago.

Btw, how do you know about tats? Are you from Russia? I am asking because even in Azerbaijan there are some people who don't know about tats. So, it was odd and ingeresting to see foreigner being interested about tats.

[Leto]

Yes, Azerbaijani is replacing tat.

I am not sure. But, from my little research, I couldn't find any sources about persian migration to south east caucasian mountains. I believe tats are caucasians who were assimilated to persians since 2000-3000 years ago the areas that tats live now were northern borders of big persian empires and persian was lingua franca in the region. So, I think tats are caucasians + some mixing with persians.

I asked from a lot of elderly people about possible migration from iran but none of them heard anything about it from their ancestors. They only believed it because of history books.

I know that my father's village was formed by migration from nearby town (ismayilli) about 500 years ago.

Btw, how do you know about tats? Are you from Russia? I am asking because even in Azerbaijan there are some people who don't know about tats. So, it was odd and ingeresting to see foreigner being interested about tats.

So a lot of genetics in Azerbaijan can be traced to Caucasian Albania.
Yes, I'm Russian but obviously not an average guy in this regard. I've known about the Tats and the Talysh for years. Back in the Soviet Union many Mountain Jews were erroneously recorded as Tats. And now that you appeared here and introduced yourself as a Tat, I found it interesting to ask a question.

[turan4]

Wow! I am really interested about mountain jews and their relationship with tats. Looks like they are genetically distant fron each other. I wonder if mountain jews picked the language from tats or vice versa or mountain jews were already speaking this language when they came to the caucasus