"Proto-Iranians were not Northern Europeans"

[Babak]

If the Medes came from SouthCentral Asia than this was most likely the case.

Which shows they came from Andronovo/Sintashta.

Dawg, its right there lol

[Guti]

Which shows they came from Andronovo/Sintashta.

Dawg, its right there lol

No, they were NOT at all.

According to the most Iranologists proto-Iranics/Aryans crystalized around Yaz. This is what most of them are telling us


If the Medes came from the east, then the Medes entered Kurdistan from Yaz and NOT from Andronovo at all

[Nmiito]

LOL.

The biblical MedES, the Aryans, and not the Meds, I don't refer to the Medeterranean people, hehe.


The Medes were direct ARYAN ancestors of the Kurds


The MedEs were the founders of the 1st Aryan Empire ever. If they were not significant than nobody is on this planet. Even more significant than the Sumerians.

WTF are you talking about? I didn't say anything about the Medes being Mediterranean. You made this up.
The Medes are a people from 600 BC, too late to be the original "Aryans". If anything they're one of the many tribes originating from the Indo-Europeans, hardly relevant really.
You don't address anything I say because you don't know anything, just invent stuff to fit your agenda. Seriously you're so deluded and retarded that I'm not going to waste more time with you.

[Guti]

WTF are you talking about? I didn't say anything about the Medes being Mediterranean. You made this up.
The Medes are a people from 600 BC, too late to be the original "Aryans". If anything they're one of the many tribes originating from the Indo-Europeans, hardly relevant really.
You don't address anything I say because you don't know anything, just invent stuff to fit your agenda. Seriously you're so deluded and retarded that I'm not going to waste more time with you.

The Medes are the most important ancestors of the Kurds. Without the Medes Aryan Kurdish language, history, religion etc. would not exist. The Medes were mentioned by their neighbours long before 612BC.

By the 612BC it were the Aryan Medes who destroyed the Assyrians. But the Medes existed in Kurdistan centuries before that.


The Medes called themselves 'ARYANS'. Also other people around them, such as Armenians, Greeks etc. referred to them as the Aryans. You know nothing about history, mate. First educate yourself then we can talk. The Medes are the real ARYANS and they were CHG/Irn_ChL people.


NEXT

[Babak]

No, they were NOT at all.

According to the most Iranologists proto-Iranics/Aryans crystalized around Yaz. This is what most of them are telling us


If the Medes came from the east, then the Medes entered Kurdistan from Yaz and NOT from Andronovo at all

Im talking about the original Iranics, not the ones that mongrelized with bmac natives. Yaz was already mixed, which is why west iranics were already 50% EHG and 50% BMAC by the time they migrated to Iran.

Kurds and Persians are an assimilated people. The Iranian or 'Aryan' identity was passed down, just like how Egyptians are now Arabs.

[Guti]

Im talking about the original Iranics, not the ones that mongrelized with bmac natives. Yaz was already mixed, which is why west iranics were already 50% EHG and 50% BMAC by the time they migrated to Iran.

Kurds and Persians are an assimilated people. The Iranian or 'Aryan' identity was passed down, just like how Egyptians are now Arabs.

Lol.

But the original proto-Iranics were 'mongrelized' people. I don't understand why you are denying this fact. Like Yamnaya people were 'mongrelized', like CWC people were 'mongrelized', like Italo-Celtic people were 'mongrelized' etc. Every new distinct ethnic group is 'mongrelized' and a mixture between locals and the immigrants.

Once again IF the Medes came from the east, then they came 100% from Yaz. It is what the academic world and Iranologists are telling us. Whether you like it or not. Nobody is asking about your opinion.

Bro, unlike you who is a ethnic Turkic Azeri, I am IRANIC, I know the history of my people very well, maybe much better than all the people here combined.
I have never seen any Iranologist claiming that that the Medes or Persians didn't come from SouthCentral Asia (BMAC) area.
According to them proto-Iranic, proto-Western Iranic (Kurdic and Farsi), proto-Eastern Iranic were formed around Yaz.

The only thing what I have against what most Iranologists are claiming is that I think that it were the Western Asians who brought an Aryan language into BMAC and not the other way around.


But BMAC is a very special place of origin for many Iranic languages I never denied that. No sane person with considerable knowledge of Iranic/Aryan history is denying that.

[Leto]

Meanwhile you can still find Afghans who score like this (no recent European ancestry whatsoever)

Target: Shamal_simulated_g25_scaled
Distance: 1.4918% / 0.01491835
41.0 KAZ_Aktogai_MLBA
34.4 IRN_Tepe_Hissar_C
19.0 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2
3.2 CHN_Yellow_River_LN
2.4 MNG_Ulaanzuukh_Slab_Grave

[Guti]

Doesn't have to say anything. Most likely mixed just with the native Central Asians, non-Indo-European Turkic people, Mongols/Golden Horde etc.

You can find also high Steppe results among Siberian and Turkic people, doesn't make them more 'Iranic' aka Aryan than the Persians, hehe.


Also don't forget that the Scythians as speakers of the Eastern Iranic dialects were nomads, so they migrated back and forth. Some Steppes ancestry in modern SouthCentral Asians can be explained by the Scythians who have assimilated many non-Iranic Mongoloid/Siberian people in the Steppes.


FACT is that proto-Iranic is NOT from Andronovo.

[Babak]

Lol.

But the original proto-Iranics were 'mongrelized' people. I don't understand why you are denying this fact. Like Yamnaya people were 'mongrelized', like CWC people were 'mongrelized', like Italo-Celtic people were 'mongrelized' etc. Every new distinct ethnic group is 'mongrelized' and a mixture between locals and the immigrants.

Once again IF the Medes came from the east, then they came 100% from Yaz. It is what the academic world and Iranologists are telling us. Whether you like it or not. Nobody is asking about your opinion.

Bro, unlike you who is a ethnic Turkic Azeri, I am IRANIC, I know the history of my people very well, maybe much better than all the people here combined.
I have never seen any Iranologist claiming that that the Medes or Persians didn't come from SouthCentral Asia (BMAC) area.
According to them proto-Iranic, proto-Western Iranic (Kurdic and Farsi), proto-Eastern Iranic were formed around Yaz.

The only thing what I have against what most Iranologists are claiming is that I think that it were the Western Asians who brought an Aryan language into BMAC and not the other way around.


But BMAC is a very special place of origin for many Iranic languages I never denied that. No sane person with considerable knowledge of Iranic/Aryan history is denying that.

Im of both Azeri and Persian background. Nothing to do with what I know or dont know.

Second of all, what im saying is, is that Proto Iranics became to be known as West Iranics when they mixed with the native BMAC population. Proto Iranic->West Iranic->Persian and Kurdish.

The Persian identity was formed with the fusion of Elamite and Iranic cultures, while the Kurdish identity was formed with the fusion of Northwest Iranics and Kassites/Gutians.

[Zoro]

Im talking about the original Iranics, not the ones that mongrelized with bmac natives. Yaz was already mixed, which is why west iranics were already 50% EHG and 50% BMAC by the time they migrated to Iran.

Kurds and Persians are an assimilated people. The Iranian or 'Aryan' identity was passed down, just like how Egyptians are now Arabs.

There seems to be alot of confusion about Aryans and Arya. Arya was centered around Herat which was part of the Persian empire and part of the Aryana region https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aria_(region). The ancient Aryans were Parthians and Sogdians . Medes who came before Parthians also had some ancestors from that area

Aryana was home to some of Kurd and Persian ancestors, their ancient Zoroasterian religion and language. Now with the Southern Arc oaper it seems proto Indo European originated from western Iran and Armenia and developed into proto Indo-Iranian by the likes of Andronovo and Sintashta but Kurds and Persians don’t have direct ancestors according to Eurasian dna but rather have a connection to Yaz and Ariana the ancestors of who (BMAC) admixed with surrounding Andronovo like people.

It’s not 50% EHG but closer to 50% Andronovo according to qpadm https://eurasiandna.com/2659-2/ but keep in mind that Andronovo is only 35-40% EHG. So that would make Turkmenistan-IA about 17-20% EHG. According to Eurasian dna qpadm kurds and persians have close to 30% Yaz Turkmenistan-IA. If you do math Kurds and persians would have received 30% x 18% = 6% EHG from Aryans which is close to Reich Southern Arc paper