G25 Balkan Calculator

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Southern plotting doesnt mean voggy looking. They were light to the point NW Europeans tried to claim them. That's why the source of southerness needs to be identified.

Umm..the first aboriginals of Rome say all ancient historians were Arcadian Greeks, followed by Corinthian, Trojan...isn't any kind of Greek tribe that hasn't paraded from Italy.

And 1000 years before the foundation of Rome (or rather its re-foundation), Italy was an Minoan colony after Cronos (Saturn) and was called Saturnia.

And Northern Italy was ruled by Ogyges/Janus an aboriginal of Athens who ruled over Athens, Northern Italy, Illyria, Scythia and Armenia.

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Its pretty much agreed by every serious linguist that Albanian is Illyrian and related to Messapic, this was also argued in a new Dutch study, and that proto Albanian and proto Messapic came to the Balkans before Thracian

Post I got from Anthrogenica

The Messapians were Messenian colonists who went to Italy after the first Messenian War ended with Messenias defeat in 736 BC.

Messapus date to 1530 BC. Danaus to 1488 or 1471.

The Lucanians are probalby the same tribe as the Lycian Achaeans and thus were descended from king Minos troops who reached Italy in about 1240 BC.

The Marsi (Marsians) were the family of the last Herakild king Myrsilus of Lydia who fled in 717 BC.

The Samnites were Pelasgian colonists from Samos called Samniotes in Greek (as in the famous song Samniotisa - Samniotisa, Samniotisa, pote tha pas sti Samo)

The Paeligni could be the northern Balkan Palesgians who also reached Italy.

The Daunians look like they are the Danae or Danids so must have come from Greece in about 1400 BC.

Picentes were the same as the Picts.

Frentanians were the Britons.

Volscians were the Colchian (modern day Georgians) settlers who were left behind after they failed in ther persuit of Jason and the Argonauts in 1246 BC.

Peucetians were the same tribe as the Bachantes who came from Lydia in 1400-1380 BC.

The Latins came fom Troy.

Celts were Celts

The Umbrians were the same as Cumbrians or the Welsh and probably originated from Croatia.

Oscans, Apulians, Irpini, Auruncians, Hernici, Sabines, Aequi, Falisci, Vestini, Umbrians, Tuscans, Vineti and Ligurii were natives.

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As I said north to south cline as we do today. All of us, Romans, Illyrians, Italians, Albanians. The south influence was stronger on Romans because of isolation, Alps were a barrier. That's why we central and South Illyrians are more similar to them. And if we take history into account their NW source (Illyrians) was from celts. But combined with the southern source makes it iberian like.

Even you did a calculation with ancient samples that showed we were closer to celts, then germanics then slavs. Which confirms history as well.

one non-Albanian guy was using samples from Croatia that cluster like Near Eastern to model Albanians and Balkan people so the guy who made the calc in the OP responded with his own calculator basically, thought I'd share it here to see what people score

You are replying as if I said that Albanians have 0% post-IA admixture which is a statement that nobody can claim for almost all groups anywhere in the world. In a reply to you yesterday I repeated the same view:

On the other hand, we can't know the extent of this admixture which for many individuals might have been negligible, so models should work with a range which assumes an admixture rate from 0% to the highest per sampling from that region. In this case, if you want to use samples from Croatia but not the Trogir dataset, one of the samples closer to Alb_Mdv in terms of local + East Med-like admixture is:

Judging from the G25 sims that we have already, when/if we get G25 coords from samples like the J-L283 from Viminacium or the E-V13 from Naissus as a replacement for Dalmatia/Montenegro, the Migration Period admixture would drop even further. Such figures are consistent with the conclusions from the Southern Arc papers.

https://anthrogenica.com/showthread....427#post876427

I don't understand what is her problem ?


Just go to that link and read his response. Some of these samples have some small imperial admixture . That other guy was arguing people in the Balkans have like 20% - 30% etc

Sample seems like local Balkan people with small admixture like I said , he used it because it was the closest to Alb_mdv , + some east med, sometimes samples can be added together too as a mix of both ancestries

Talk about making drama over nothing


I believe some small east med+ slavic which shifted some people more east but not that much, i don't score any of those eastern components that sample scores. It could also be other ancestry, some ancient Balkan samples... some Italian regions shift way more East than Albanians and are way more south

[Rizza]

That guy is far more knowledgeable than she will ever be.

[Selene]

Target: Nixie
Distance: 2.1721% / 0.02172133
72.0 Migration_Period
14.0 HRV/MNE_IA_Rom
14.0 HRV/MNE_LBA/IA_Rom


Target: Nixie
Distance: 2.1721% / 0.02172133
72.0 Migration_Period:TUR_Marmara_Ilipinar_Byz3
14.0 HRV/MNE_IA_Rom:MNE_LBA
9.4 HRV/MNE_LBA/IA_Rom:Croatia_Sisak_Pogorelec:R2041___AD_303___Co verage_50.40%
4.6 HRV/MNE_LBA/IA_Rom:HRV_EIA


Distance to: Nixie
0.03395223 Migration_Period:TUR_Marmara_Ilipinar_Byz3
0.06682143 HRV/MNE_LBA/IA_Rom:HRV_EIA
0.07183894 HRV/MNE_IA_Rom:MNE_LBA
0.07484757 Albania_IA_Rom:ALB_Cinamak_Anc
0.07746669 HRV/MNE_LBA/IA_Rom:Croatia_Sisak_Pogorelec:R2041___AD_303___Co verage_50.40%
0.08797408 Albania_IA_Rom:ALB_Mdv



There you go if that is what interested you.


Just stop being mean to Feiichy, she really knows a lot and she is my very dear friend.

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That guy is far more knowledgeable than she will ever be.

Wasn't Feichi the biggest advocate for Albanians being Illyrians? and that Slavs barely had any Illyrian ancestry, what happened? lol

[Rizza]

This same person who created all the drama in this thread basically used similar samples I believe as in the link above to claim Albanians and Balkan people are 30% Near Eastern which is of course false

I definitely don't claim to know everything but its not the first time I see this chauvinist chimp out again over nothing

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This same person who created all the drama in this thread basically used similar samples I believe as in the link above to claim Albanians and Balkan people are 30% Near Eastern which is of course false

I definitely don't claim to know everything but its not the first time I see this chauvinist chimp out again over nothing

Feiichi has always supported Albanians in this forum, she doesn't deserve to be called names even if you disagree with her.

[Rizza]

He even explains why samples should be added together I think:

On the other hand, we can't know the extent of this admixture which for many individuals might have been negligible, so models should work with a range which assumes an admixture rate from 0% to the highest per sampling from that region. In this case, if you want to use samples from Croatia but not the Trogir dataset, one of the samples closer to Alb_Mdv in terms of local + East Med-like admixture is:

Target: Croatia_Novo_selo_Bunje:R3547___AD_571___Coverage_ 57.30%
Distance: 2.9260% / 0.02925961
55.6 TUR_Barcin_N
27.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
8.8 GEO_CHG
6.2 Israel_Natufian
1.0 SRB_Iron_Gates_HG
0.8 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2_I8728
0.4 MAR_Taforalt
0.2 Han

But you have to add it separately as part of a range which assumes 0% (MNE_LBA/HRV_EIA) to R2041-like admixture. This means the creation of a model which includes:
1. ALB sources from 0% to Alb_Mdv-like admixture, hence Alb_Çinamak (0%) + Alb_Mdv
2. Dalmatia/Montenegro sources 0% to R3547-like admixture
3. a Migration Period/Slavic source

https://anthrogenica.com/showthread....427#post876427

Meanwhile her own calculator gave people 30% Roman imperial, she simply does not understand overlapping components, etc

[Rizza]

Feiichi has always supported Albanians in this forum, she doesn't deserve to be called names even if you disagree with her.

Lol no she hasnt she spreads lies and propaganda . And doesnt seem to have much knowledge about history nor how these calculators or genetics work. I like to read from people who give you new ideas and think outside the box and I definitely don't claim to know everything, just tired of these aggressive hyper nationalists and their agendas. Where do you see any support in this thread for example ? What is there to disagree. Just look at the link I posted. Everything is explained.

No need to come into a thread, go off topic and chimp out