Final Realistic Iberian Calculator

[Jingle Bell]

Fisrt, the Visigoths didn't have that much of an impact in the Iberian genome, the visigothic DNA is only appearing there because it overlaps with the Proto-Celtc samples (keep in mind Proto-Celts came from Central Europe, so they will have some overlap with Goths in that sense), also the Guanches are representative of all the North African DNA into Iberia, not only the Guanches, especifically, that's why it's called Berbers & Guanches, and they did have a greater impact than the Visigoths.

Yeah, the only thing which we all need for the "perfect iberian model" is a Western Celt sample, we have one of Cantabri of LIA but that sample is not from core and was in border btw cantabri (celts) and aquitani (Proto-basque?)

So we cant assume that sample "Cantabri" was full blooded Hispano-Celt sadly, also our Celtiberians samples are celtiberians which also were bordering Aquitanians:



See how far our samples are from the core of Celtiberi culture? maybe thats means that the unmixed celtiberians from Center were even more Hallsttat admixed


Cantabri (Maybe Aquitani admixed?) sample:

Iberian*(700–50*BC):Cantabrian:Iberia_LIA,0.1257745,0.155376,0.0631675,0.005814,0.052933,-0.000697,-0.001175,0.0074995,0.032826,0.0429165,-0.0010555,0.008842,-0.0237115,-0.0187855,0.013572,0.0043755,-0.004759,0.0051945,-0.0022625,-0.0090665,0.0131645,0.000371,-0.0077645,-0.0163875,-0.000778

[Eurafricanid]

Those of us who are here in flesh and blood are more important than all those simulated regional references.

The Regional references are for easier comparison, but since you want to die on this hill...

Distance to: Iberia_West_Conimbriga:R10488
0.02797441 Basque_French:HGDP01358
0.02821401 French_South:SouthFrench3068
0.02861269 Spanish_Cataluna:HG01761
0.03011457 Basque_French:HGDP01359
0.03090074 Basque_French:HGDP01357
0.03234463 Spanish_Catalunya_Central:SOL083
0.03248111 Spanish_Pais_Vasco:HG01516
0.03261021 Spanish_Pais_Vasco:HG01518
0.03281590 French_Occitanie:T_18
0.03287703 Basque_French:HGDP01364
0.03304024 Spanish_Asturias:Asturias1
0.03306904 Spanish_Girona:VID016
0.03335853 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon:HG01506
0.03349943 Basque_French:HGDP01365
0.03363225 Spanish_Navarra:Navarra3
0.03363340 French_South:SouthFrench3326
0.03389715 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha:HG01746
0.03390011 Basque_French:HGDP01363
0.03400197 Spanish_Barcelones:COD147
0.03419413 Spanish_Galicia:GAL11
0.03424082 Spanish_Andalucia:AND4
0.03430614 Spanish_Valencia:ALB126
0.03455522 Spanish_Pais_Vasco:HG01515
0.03461753 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon:HG01501
0.03481779 Spanish_Barcelones:SER015

Distance to: Iberia_West_Conimbriga:R10487
0.02240689 Spanish_Peri-Barcelona:ROI042
0.02434783 French_Occitanie:T_29
0.02443575 Spanish_Cataluna:HG01536
0.02574314 Spanish_Galicia:HG01686
0.02575646 Spanish_Castello:CAR023
0.02604111 Spanish_Catalunya_Central:CAR048
0.02648316 French_Occitanie:T_9
0.02676907 Spanish_Penedes:VID003
0.02682277 Spanish_Barcelones:GUS119
0.02695886 Spanish_Pirineu:FER101
0.02730378 Spanish_Lleida:MST075
0.02760736 French_Auvergne:C_24
0.02815617 Spanish_Cataluna:HG01537
0.02847941 French_Provence:S_17
0.02886824 Spanish_Alacant:ALE005
0.02935043 French_Provencerovance4109
0.02957474 Spanish_Soria:Soria1
0.02964859 Spanish_Girona:BOS011
0.02998915 Spanish_Castello:BOS027
0.02999254 Spanish_Extremadura:HG01510
0.03004211 French_Occitanie:T_84
0.03071299 Spanish_Valencia:BOS010
0.03083971 Spanish_Girona:FER052
0.03092701 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon:HG01506
0.03096887 French_South:SouthFrench3947

[Eurafricanid]

Yeah, the only thing which we all need for the "perfect iberian model" is a Western Celt sample, we have one of Cantabri of LIA but that sample is not from core and was in border btw cantabri (celts) and aquitani (Proto-basque?)

So we cant assume that sample "Cantabri" was full blooded Hispano-Celt sadly, also our Celtiberians samples are celtibeians which also were bordering Aquitanians, the Celtiberians from the Core part of culture were prob more Hallsttat like

Cantabri (Maybe Aquitani admixed?) sample:
Iberian*(700–50*BC):Cantabrian:Iberia_LIA,0.125774 5,0.155376,0.0631675,0.005814,0.052933,-0.000697,-0.001175,0.0074995,0.032826,0.0429165,-0.0010555,0.008842,-0.0237115,-0.0187855,0.013572,0.0043755,-0.004759,0.0051945,-0.0022625,-0.0090665,0.0131645,0.000371,-0.0077645,-0.0163875,-0.000778

No, we don't need the Cantabri sample, since it is Celtic-Admixed, and we already have proto-Celts for that, we need the Northwester Iberian BA sample.

[Gallop]

Pues la muestra visigoda que añadi es una muestra de un godo de polonia básicamente cuando se asentaron alli desde escandinavia asi que es practucamente un "godo" mas puro que las muestras peninsulares

Pues ya ves, creía que era uno de los de aquí. Si es que al final va saliendo todo.

[Gallop]

The Regional references are for easier comparison, but since you want to die on this hill...

Distance to: Iberia_West_Conimbriga:R10488
0.02797441 Basque_French:HGDP01358
0.02821401 French_South:SouthFrench3068
0.02861269 Spanish_Cataluna:HG01761
0.03011457 Basque_French:HGDP01359
0.03090074 Basque_French:HGDP01357
0.03234463 Spanish_Catalunya_Central:SOL083
0.03248111 Spanish_Pais_Vasco:HG01516
0.03261021 Spanish_Pais_Vasco:HG01518
0.03281590 French_Occitanie:T_18
0.03287703 Basque_French:HGDP01364
0.03304024 Spanish_Asturias:Asturias1
0.03306904 Spanish_Girona:VID016
0.03335853 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon:HG01506
0.03349943 Basque_French:HGDP01365
0.03363225 Spanish_Navarra:Navarra3
0.03363340 French_South:SouthFrench3326
0.03389715 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha:HG01746
0.03390011 Basque_French:HGDP01363
0.03400197 Spanish_Barcelones:COD147
0.03419413 Spanish_Galicia:GAL11
0.03424082 Spanish_Andalucia:AND4
0.03430614 Spanish_Valencia:ALB126
0.03455522 Spanish_Pais_Vasco:HG01515
0.03461753 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon:HG01501
0.03481779 Spanish_Barcelones:SER015

Distance to: Iberia_West_Conimbriga:R10487
0.02240689 Spanish_Peri-Barcelona:ROI042
0.02434783 French_Occitanie:T_29
0.02443575 Spanish_Cataluna:HG01536
0.02574314 Spanish_Galicia:HG01686
0.02575646 Spanish_Castello:CAR023
0.02604111 Spanish_Catalunya_Central:CAR048
0.02648316 French_Occitanie:T_9
0.02676907 Spanish_Penedes:VID003
0.02682277 Spanish_Barcelones:GUS119
0.02695886 Spanish_Pirineu:FER101
0.02730378 Spanish_Lleida:MST075
0.02760736 French_Auvergne:C_24
0.02815617 Spanish_Cataluna:HG01537
0.02847941 French_Provence:S_17
0.02886824 Spanish_Alacant:ALE005
0.02935043 French_Provencerovance4109
0.02957474 Spanish_Soria:Soria1
0.02964859 Spanish_Girona:BOS011
0.02998915 Spanish_Castello:BOS027
0.02999254 Spanish_Extremadura:HG01510
0.03004211 French_Occitanie:T_84
0.03071299 Spanish_Valencia:BOS010
0.03083971 Spanish_Girona:FER052
0.03092701 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon:HG01506
0.03096887 French_South:SouthFrench3947

And what are flesh and blood people good for, come on tell me....

[Jingle Bell]

No, we don't need the Cantabri sample, since it is Celtic-Admixed, and we already have proto-Celts for that, we need the Northwester Iberian BA sample.

Since N iberian BA alr are a proxy for that, NW iberians from BA werent that diferent
We need NW Iberia IA, especially from Gallaeci culture, bcs we only can especulate how much Hallsttat the "pure" Celts of iberians were
Cantabris were part of the Western Celtic group, but the sample of Cantabri which we have is prob mixed with Aquitanis since its was in the border btw the both groups

In a study they got a especifically sample which were ~98% Central bell Beaker from the IA iberia, that sample possibly its a unmixed celt sample, but i cant find that anywhere so
its that sample: I3326
but i did not find any g25 coordinates abt her so bruh

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/art...MC6436108/#SD1

[Eurafricanid]

And what are flesh and blood people good for, come on tell me....

The one that I showed you, that you're quoting he is, "flesh and blood" people

[Eurafricanid]

Since N iberian BA alr are a proxy for that, NW iberians from BA werent that diferent
We need NW Iberia IA, especially from Gallaeci culture, bcs we only can especulate how much Hallsttat the "pure" Celts of iberians were
Cantabris were part of the Western Celtic group, but the sample of Cantabri which we have is prob mixed with Aquitanis since its was in the border btw the both groups

In a study they got a especifically sample which were ~98% Central bell Beaker from the IA iberia, that sample possibly its a unmixed celt sample, but i cant find that anywhere so
its that sample: I3326
but i did not find any g25 coordinates abt her so bruh

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/art...MC6436108/#SD1

We do need Northwestern IA for research, not for this calculator, since they're already Celts, only if you want to replace the Gauls (or the Proto-Celts) for them, that's another thing, but if you whant to put them together with Iberian bA or create a new category for them, it's not going to help this calculator, since this is not the goal.

[Jingle Bell]

We do need Northwestern IA for research, not for this calculator, since they're already Celts, only if you want to replace the Gauls (or the Proto-Celts) for them, that's another thing, but if you whant to put them together with Iberian bA or create a new category for them, it's not going to help this calculator, since this is not the goal.

I mean that would help the calculator is replace Iberia BA and Proto-celts by a NW Iberian IA sample, bcs in that way they would not overlap with visigoths, unlike when we put Celtic apart
we dont need NW Iberia BA, bcs they were just Iberians of Atlantic bronze Age, and we alr have that type of sample . . what we dont need its Gallaecian or Lusitans samples which would help us with replace Proto-celt and Iberian BA by Lusitan/Gallaeci, bcs in that way we would be able to use visigoths too ut without the overlap with proto-celts and Goths, u get it?
Also the closer which we have to that Western iberian celt are samples from the Roman Time Portugal (center) which were a bit Roman and NA admixed so . . . unlike Iberia NW BA which we have samples even from Cantabria, we dont need more

[Mingle]

Yep, modern iberians clusters with Roman Times ones:


Which means that iberians didnt change since Roman Times, that samples are from before the first Visigoths and Suebi stetlers and still clusters which iberians, that means Germanic impact its very low in modern ones, just 330.00 Germanics (suebi & Goths) settled in iberia in a time which iberia had abt 8.000.000 of ppl and these germanics were alr mixed with others tribes so impact was even lesser

You shouldn't use Iberian Germanic samples. That's like using Celtiberians instead of Hallstatt. Something Germanic from Central Europe should be used instead.