Why do Slavic people always fight amongst themselves?

[Duke]

I heard that exist letters he wrote to his lover. He never married, and had no children.


It's a kind of mild mental disorder.


Unlike chetniks, ustashe had state (NDH) and systems of concentration camps (most known is Jasenovac), where they killed over million of people (mostly Serbs).

Jasenovac, from which Serbs send their dissidents by trains.
Serbs didnt have any Antifashist movments, actually only a small town that declared its self as independent republic of Užice, and thats it.
Serbia was also first country free of Jews.

Head of Serbia Nedić with Hitler


Fun times

[Varda]

Population of Belgrad:
1910: 89000
1914: 100000
1919: 90000
1940: 430000
1959: 542000
1965: 1 million
1991: 1,5 million

Population of Zagreb:
1910: 136000
1931: 258000
1953: 398000
1971: 629000
1991: 777000

Population of Budapest:
1910: 880000
1925: 960000
1939: 1,1 million
1957: 1,7 million
1990: 2 million

Numbers are from wikipedia.

You are right, i thought Belgrad was much bigger than Zagreb. Why did the population of Belgrad grow so significantly between 1960-1970?

But anyway today Belgrad is a big metropolis, but Zagreb is not.

1950-1970s was period of the industrialization and mass migrations from the villages to cities in Yugoslavia. In that period Beograd as capital of Yugoslavia received people from all parts of Yugoslavia, mostly Serbs and some non-Serbs. Today average Beogradian 20-30 years old have all grandparent from different regions.

[Victor]

Jasenovac, from which Serbs send their dissidents by trains.
Serbs didnt have any Antifashist movments, actually only a small town that declared its self as independent republic of Užice, and thats it.
Serbia was also first country free of Jews.

Head of Serbia Nedić with Hitler


Fun times

If Serbs didn't establish the marionette state, all the lands would be just divided and Serbia would finish its existence in any possible form at this moment. Some Chetnik formations were definitely opposing the other forces, considering the whole Balkan scene of WWII it was so complicated that all the sides literally collaborated/opposed each other in various periods/regions. Serbia itself was not a subject, but object in this war, conquered and allowed to have remains of statehood, unlike Croatia which normally had own statehood, ideology, state politics.

[Duke]

If Serbs didn't establish the marionette state, all the lands would be just divided and Serbia would finish its existence in any possible form at this moment. Some Chetnik formations were definitely opposing the other forces, considering the whole Balkan scene of WWII it was so complicated that all the sides literally collaborated/opposed each other in various periods/regions. Serbia itself was not a subject, but object in this war, conquered and allowed to have remains of statehood, unlike Croatia which normally had own statehood, ideology, state politics.

sure, bu how do you explain this, guerrila "freedom loving" Ćetniks with SS oficer


with Italian Fashists


With Ustaše

[Duke]

Basically the only difference is that we admit we had fraction that was puppet to Nazies, and Serbs try to rewrite history like always.

Basically real Ćetnik story goes like this, doing the nazi job most of the war, once they figured out ALies will win, they go to one American plane crash, save the pilot, and say, see we were always on your side.

Liars and killers with no backbone

[Victor]

sure, bu how do you explain this, guerrila "freedom loving" Ćetniks with SS oficer

with Italian Fashists

With Ustaše

That's life, you have to balance. Partisans had truces with Italians as well. Actually lots of Serbian civilians were untouched in Banja Luka for example, due to deals between Chetniks and Ustase.

[Varda]

If Serbs didn't establish the marionette state, all the lands would be just divided and Serbia would finish its existence in any possible form at this moment. Some Chetnik formations were definitely opposing the other forces, considering the whole Balkan scene of WWII it was so complicated that all the sides literally collaborated/opposed each other in various periods/regions. Serbia itself was not a subject, but object in this war, conquered and allowed to have remains of statehood, unlike Croatia which normally had own statehood, ideology, state politics.

In 1941. Kingdom of Yugoslavia disappeared. Parts of Yugoslavia were annexed by Third Reich, Italy, Albania, Bulgaria and Hungary. It was created Independent State of Croatia which was by far bigger than present day Croatia. Serbia was smaller than modern Serbia, because parts were annexed by NDH (Croatia), Hungary, Bulgaria and Albania, and small part became part of Montenegro (Italian protectorate). Territory which kept name Serbia was under the German military occupation, and just formally had government in Belgrade. Banat formally stayed part of (diminished) Serbia, but it was under the control of local Germans (Volksdeutsche).

[Duke]

That's life, you have to balance. Partisans had truces with Italians as well. Actually lots of Serbian civilians were untouched in Banja Luka for example, due to deals between Chetniks and Ustase.

Thing is, Ćetnik leader Draža Mihailović was shot by Communists for being a Nazi collaborator just after the war, but today with a bit of screenwriting he is rehabilitated into National hero and fighter against the Nazis who was unjustly shot by lying communists.

[Jana]

Thing is, Ćetnik leader Draža Mihailović was shot by Communists for being a Nazi collaborator just after the war, but today with a bit of screenwriting he is rehabilitated into National hero and fighter against the Nazis who was unjustly shot by lying communists.

Don't forget Ljotićevci who were actual nazis, togheder with Nedićevci but them you already mentioned.

[Jana]

If Serbs didn't establish the marionette state, all the lands would be just divided and Serbia would finish its existence in any possible form at this moment. Some Chetnik formations were definitely opposing the other forces, considering the whole Balkan scene of WWII it was so complicated that all the sides literally collaborated/opposed each other in various periods/regions. Serbia itself was not a subject, but object in this war, conquered and allowed to have remains of statehood, unlike Croatia which normally had own statehood, ideology, state politics.

This NDH state was just nominally indipenadant. That's why it has Indipendant in its name similarly like DR Congo has name "democratic" but is anything but democracy.

It was dividend into German and Italian zone of influence, and Germans were exploiting raw material and and even people for forced work in Reich all the time. It wasn't allowed to have navy or sth like that due to deal with Italians if I am not mistaken.

Ustaše had power tho and they were trying to get rid of this depandance especially on Italy in later stages of war.