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    Quote Originally Posted by interes View Post
    nu eto ne logichna . xarasho kabardinci migrirovali. no tagdo pochemu u megrelov martvilskom raione bole svetlaia pigmentacia volos chem zugdidi ili gudauta( v abxazii) megreli vsegda jili tam gde jivut. smotri ti sam nemci katori bole iujne vse ravno svetlee chem irlandci chem absniaesh etova? ili irlandci napromer bole rija valosie chem fini katorie bole sevrnee
    Elementary reason. Mingrelians from Zugdili are considered the darkest among Mingrelians. Why? There are many people from upper Svaneti there. Those who remained to live there, mixed with the locals or became assimilated. The Svans are actually one of the darkest in western Georgia. Same with the Mingrelians from Abkhazia. Many Apsua and Armenians lived in Abkhazia, and some Mingrelians mixed with them in Abkhazia. In Megrelia itself, the regions where there are many immigrants from Svaneti are darker than those regions where there are few of them. In general, Megrelia, according to anthropological studies, is the most depigmented region in terms of hair. This is not only Martvili, but also Senaki, Chkhorotsku, Gali. And among the Imeretians, the most depigmented are not the southern ones, but the lower ones, who live in the Colchis lowland - the swamps, and this is the west.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frowning Man View Post
    Elementary reason. Mingrelians from Zugdili are considered the darkest among Mingrelians. Why? There are many people from upper Svaneti there. Those who remained to live there, mixed with the locals or became assimilated. The Svans are actually one of the darkest in western Georgia. Same with the Mingrelians from Abkhazia. Many Apsua and Armenians lived in Abkhazia, and some Mingrelians mixed with them in Abkhazia. In Megrelia itself, the regions where there are many immigrants from Svaneti are darker than those regions where there are few of them. In general, Megrelia, according to anthropological studies, is the most depigmented region in terms of hair. This is not only Martvili, but also Senaki, Chkhorotsku, Gali. And among the Imeretians, the most depigmented are not the southern ones, but the lower ones, who live in the Colchis lowland - the swamps, and this is the west.
    I also think Megrels are the lightest, only some parts of Imereti and Guria may be lighter. Blond hair is more frequent among Megrels and Gurians, red hair among Imeretians. This is my personal observation. I can't explain the dark pigmentation of Svans compared to lowlanders. There must be something more, then just climate. Svaneti is not sunny region, but Svans are a little close to the Kabardians and they have very broad faces.

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    Quote Originally Posted by user_ View Post
    I also think Megrels are the lightest, only some parts of Imereti and Guria may be lighter. Blond hair is more frequent among Megrels and Gurians, red hair among Imeretians. This is my personal observation. I can't explain the dark pigmentation of Svans compared to lowlanders. There must be something more, then just climate. Svaneti is not sunny region, but Svans are a little close to the Kabardians and they have very broad faces.
    In my opinion, Svaneti is a very sunny place. The average temperature there may be lower, but there is more sun there and it is more aggressive and stronger. If we consider only the mountaineers of the West. Those are the most depigmented Lechkhumians, those who are a little mixed with Mingrelians, then the Rachinians, the Svans are the darkest. If we consider only the Svans, then the Lower Bali Svans (this is part of the upper Svaneti, which borders on Mingrelia, otherwise known as Princely Svaneti) are lighter and taller than the Upper Bali Svans (the highest mountain Svans from the village of Latali to Ushguli. Otherwise, these regions are known as Free Svaneti) .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frowning Man View Post
    In my opinion, Svaneti is a very sunny place. The average temperature there may be lower, but there is more sun there and it is more aggressive and stronger. If we consider only the mountaineers of the West. Those are the most depigmented Lechkhumians, those who are a little mixed with Mingrelians, then the Rachinians, the Svans are the darkest. If we consider only the Svans, then the Lower Bali Svans (this is part of the upper Svaneti, which borders on Mingrelia, otherwise known as Princely Svaneti) are lighter and taller than the Upper Bali Svans (the highest mountain Svans from the village of Latali to Ushguli. Otherwise, these regions are known as Free Svaneti) .
    I have been in Mestia few times, it does not look sunny at all )))) But you are maybe right, sun is more aggressive at high altitudes and people are more exposed to sun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by user_ View Post
    I have been in Mestia few times, it does not look sunny at all )))) But you are maybe right, sun is more aggressive at high altitudes and people are more exposed to sun.
    A little explanation about Megrelia itself. Megrelia is also very different and is divided into 7 municipalities, with different terrain, weather and climate.

    1) Mingrelians from the Zugdidi municipality are the darkest and lowest among the Mingrelians. There are more often narrow or average faces.

    2) The Megrelians from the Gali municipality are lighter in color and there they have a fairly high percentage of redheads for the Caucasus, 3.1-5%. They are taller, but have narrow or average faces. The area itself is very rural and wooded with many rivers.

    3)The Mingrelians from Tsalenjikha and Chkhorotsku are the tallest and largest among the Mingrelians; there are many medium- or broad-faced people there, but medium-faced people still dominate. They are one of the most depigmented Mingrelians. These places are wooded and rural, filled with only villages and a very monoethnic population. The relief is foothills. It is in these places that my anthrotype is very common.

    4) Mingrelians from Senaki and Martvili are the most depigmented among Mingrelians, they have the highest% of blond hair in Georgia, according to research, probably only the Kutaisi Imers have the same%. There are a lot of swamps in these parts, the places are quite foggy and wooded. The people there are of average height. Often with a medium or wide face.

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    Quote Originally Posted by user_ View Post
    I have been in Mestia few times, it does not look sunny at all )))) But you are maybe right, sun is more aggressive at high altitudes and people are more exposed to sun.
    Well, usually, when I was in the mountains, I always burn in the sun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frowning Man View Post
    In my opinion, Svaneti is a very sunny place. The average temperature there may be lower, but there is more sun there and it is more aggressive and stronger. If we consider only the mountaineers of the West. Those are the most depigmented Lechkhumians, those who are a little mixed with Mingrelians, then the Rachinians, the Svans are the darkest. If we consider only the Svans, then the Lower Bali Svans (this is part of the upper Svaneti, which borders on Mingrelia, otherwise known as Princely Svaneti) are lighter and taller than the Upper Bali Svans (the highest mountain Svans from the village of Latali to Ushguli. Otherwise, these regions are known as Free Svaneti) .

    ამაზე რას ფიქრობ ხევსურები არიან აქ არადა ტიპიური სლავები არიან იავნი რამოდენიმე სუბიექტი და ხევსურებში ( და არა სხვა რომელიმე მთის სუბ ეტნიკურ ჯგუფში არც სვანებიში და არც მთულებიში) ბევრია იავნი რუსი რო გეგონება არა შავგვრემნები არიან უმეტესად ხევსურები მარა ზოგჯერ არის მანდ ისეთი ფენოტიბი სლავების ვერსად ვერ ნახავ მარტო ხევსურებში, არ ვიძახი იმას რო ღიაფერისები არიან საერთოდ არა მარა ზოგი რატო ემსაგავსება ასე არვიცი თან მონღოლოიდური ფენოტიპიტაც დაჟე სამკუთხა მოყვანილობააქვთ კიდე ყვრიმალები სამკუთხედზე იჭრება თითქოს ხევსურებში და ზოგის მორდა არნაირად არ ჯდება კავკასიისთვის აი ეგ ფოთო რო ვნახე ძველი ფოტო არ მეგონა რო ხევსურები იყვნენ მარა სხვაფოტოებში იკვეთება სვანებისგან და სხვა მთიელებისგან განსახვავებით . საინტერესოა უბრალოდ .
    ბლუმენბახი რო იყო ჩამოსული შეიძლება მაგ პონტში თქვა რო აქედან წავიდა მიგრაცია თეთრი რასისო ანუ სლავების უფრო სწორი იქნება მაგ ფენოტიბზე დაყრდნობით იმოტმმ იძახდა რო ჩეჩნეთის და საქართველოს მთებშია არიანო და გამოდის ხევსურეთი ყველაზე დიდი ალბათობით
    რო გადავათვალიერე აი მაგ ფენოტიპს თუ დაეყრდნობოდა რადგან არც დასავლეთ საქართველოში არ შეგხვდება ეგეთი დაჟე რუსთან ნარევიც ესენი იმინა რუსები ან უკრაინელები გეგონება რავი .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frowning Man View Post
    A little explanation about Megrelia itself. Megrelia is also very different and is divided into 7 municipalities, with different terrain, weather and climate.

    1) Mingrelians from the Zugdidi municipality are the darkest and lowest among the Mingrelians. There are more often narrow or average faces.

    2) The Megrelians from the Gali municipality are lighter in color and there they have a fairly high percentage of redheads for the Caucasus, 3.1-5%. They are taller, but have narrow or average faces. The area itself is very rural and wooded with many rivers.

    3)The Mingrelians from Tsalenjikha and Chkhorotsku are the tallest and largest among the Mingrelians; there are many medium- or broad-faced people there, but medium-faced people still dominate. They are one of the most depigmented Mingrelians. These places are wooded and rural, filled with only villages and a very monoethnic population. The relief is foothills. It is in these places that my anthrotype is very common.

    4) Mingrelians from Senaki and Martvili are the most depigmented among Mingrelians, they have the highest% of blond hair in Georgia, according to research, probably only the Kutaisi Imers have the same%. There are a lot of swamps in these parts, the places are quite foggy and wooded. The people there are of average height. Often with a medium or wide face.
    I'm half Imeretian, half Kartlian, but my favorite region in Georgia is Samegrelo. I like how people take care about environment there. Beautiful gardens and you can watch them from the street, which is very rare in Caucasus where people live behind a high fences.

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    Quote Originally Posted by interes View Post

    ამაზე რას ფიქრობ ხევსურები არიან აქ არადა ტიპიური სლავები არიან იავნი რამოდენიმე სუბიექტი და ხევსურებში ( და არა სხვა რომელიმე მთის სუბ ეტნიკურ ჯგუფში არც სვანებიში და არც მთულებიში) ბევრია იავნი რუსი რო გეგონება არა შავგვრემნები არიან უმეტესად ხევსურები მარა ზოგჯერ არის მანდ ისეთი ფენოტიბი სლავების ვერსად ვერ ნახავ მარტო ხევსურებში, არ ვიძახი იმას რო ღიაფერისები არიან საერთოდ არა მარა ზოგი რატო ემსაგავსება ასე არვიცი თან მონღოლოიდური ფენოტიპიტაც დაჟე სამკუთხა მოყვანილობააქვთ კიდე ყვრიმალები სამკუთხედზე იჭრება თითქოს ხევსურებში და ზოგის მორდა არნაირად არ ჯდება კავკასიისთვის აი ეგ ფოთო რო ვნახე ძველი ფოტო არ მეგონა რო ხევსურები იყვნენ მარა სხვაფოტოებში იკვეთება სვანებისგან და სხვა მთიელებისგან განსახვავებით . საინტერესოა უბრალოდ .
    ბლუმენბახი რო იყო ჩამოსული შეიძლება მაგ პონტში თქვა რო აქედან წავიდა მიგრაცია თეთრი რასისო ანუ სლავების უფრო სწორი იქნება მაგ ფენოტიბზე დაყრდნობით იმოტმმ იძახდა რო ჩეჩნეთის და საქართველოს მთებშია არიანო და გამოდის ხევსურეთი ყველაზე დიდი ალბათობით
    რო გადავათვალიერე აი მაგ ფენოტიპს თუ დაეყრდნობოდა რადგან არც დასავლეთ საქართველოში არ შეგხვდება ეგეთი დაჟე რუსთან ნარევიც ესენი იმინა რუსები ან უკრაინელები გეგონება რავი .
    Ес арис убрало сурати. Спецалурад ихебднен исет хевсуребс ромели гавда русебс. Дзвел дрос укхварда халхс мтиелебис романтизациа. Ме вхедавди бевр суратебс сад мегрелеби, гуриелеби гавда русебс.

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