Bulgarians on G25

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Bulgarians are a nation and South Slavic ethnic group native to Bulgaria and its neighbouring region, who share a common Bulgarian ancestry, culture, history and language.

[axlredneck]

This Bulgarian average includes Pomaks, Bessarabian Bulgarians, and Gagauz.

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Bulgarian_34,0.1224092,0.1351795,0.024192,-0.0006667,0.0228846,0.0003003,0.0050912,0.0042096,-0.0012949,0.0044975,-0.0012157,-0.0002779,0.0014468,0.0094707,-0.0122658,-0.0033523,0.0058299,-0.0002886,0.0036941,-0.0019152,-0.0054638,0.0001679,0.0035361,-0.0019152,-0.0002747
Slavic,0.136889045,0.124217737,0.080247872,0.077459165,0.041096385,0.031244748,0.009284727,0.01616411,-0.003516357,-0.03007394,-0.005916537,-0.009492153,0.020267842,0.02387931,-0.007974653,0.001510327,0.002723857,-0.001732062,0.001486543,0.003094505,-0.00428204,-0.003941758,0.00965012,-0.005442897,0.000921645
Thracian,0.1203325,0.1591906,0.0068434,-0.0474417,0.0300617,-0.0208531,0.0004523,-0.0017469,0.0107966,0.0388402,0.0026678,0.0079585,-0.0151111,0.0003636,-0.0191279,-0.0079527,0.008561,0.0015903,0.0069152,-0.0076855,-0.00604,0.0042617,-0.0016881,-0.0007715,-0.0033363
Anatolian,0.1109775,0.1514833,-0.0344437,-0.0711138,-0.0047702,-0.0250535,0.004426,-0.007961,-0.0119645,0.0206835,0.0030582,0.0052955,-0.0097622,-0.0009175,-0.0138435,-0.0062538,0.0081492,0.0002957,0.0050697,-0.0037518,-0.0063015,0.0031533,-4.1e-05,0.0019278,0.0011177
Turkic,0.0765143,-0.0884639,-0.0027654,0.0052757,-0.035904,0.0036874,0.0062929,0.0063074,-0.015612,-0.0115011,-0.0168884,-0.0036633,0.001817,-0.0022786,0.0076759,0.0062466,-0.0020139,-0.0002112,0.0013408,-0.0030013,-0.0082631,-0.0032426,-0.003177,-0.0007498,-0.0003193
Romani,0.0379412,-0.1020607,-0.1722183,0.1294702,-0.0729882,0.0672592,-0.0039167,0.0148072,0.0598913,0.037176,-0.0068473,0.0005495,-0.0015113,0.0033027,-0.0101338,-0.0099002,0.0084098,-0.0007178,-0.002933,0.0100048,0.001934,0.0008862,0.0011708,0.0068682,-0.0049095
MAR_EN,-0.1735805,0.0919055,-0.0258325,-0.083657,0.0283125,-0.0596825,-0.079316,0.021461,0.1500185,0.0043735,0.0222475,-0.0264515,0.075148,-0.0461725,0.069353,-0.03381,0.0171455,-0.05549,-0.1487635,0.0340785,-0.038245,-0.118212,0.0826995,-0.009941,0.021615
pre-Slavic,0.115788643,0.155447054,-0.013210334,-0.058939577,0.013143349,-0.022893294,0.002382382,-0.004765177,-0.000258792,0.030021232,0.002857424,0.006665043,-0.012513063,-0.000258648,-0.016561192,-0.007127521,0.008360983,0.000961495,0.006018814,-0.005774845,-0.006167014,0.003723334,-0.000888079,0.000539588,-0.001172929

[axlredneck]

[axlredneck]

Found this on Wikipedia:

Bulgarians are descended from peoples of vastly different origins and numbers, and are thus the result of a "melting pot" effect. The main ethnic elements which blended in to produce the modern Bulgarian ethnicity are:

Thracians – a native ancient Balkan Indo-European people that left a cultural and genetic legacy. Approx. 55% of Bulgarian autosomal genetic legacy is of Paleo-Balkan and Mediterranean origin and can be attributed to Thracian and other indigenous Balkan population predating Slavs and Bulgars;

Early Slavs – an Indo-European group of tribes that migrated from Eastern Europe into the Balkans in the 6th–7th century CE and imposed their language and culture on the local Thracian, Roman and Greek communities. Approx. 40% of Bulgarian autosomal make-up comes from a northeastern European population that admixed with the native population in 400–1000 CE;

Bulgars – a semi-nomadic tribal federation from Central Asia that settled in the northeast of the Balkans in 7th century CE, federated with the local Slavic and Slavicized population, organised the early medieval Bulgarian statehood and bequeathed their ethnonym to the modern Bulgarian ethnicity, while eventually assimilating into the Slavic population. Approximately 2.3% of Bulgarian genes originate in Central Asia, corresponding to Asian tribes such as the Bulgars, with admixture peaking in the 9th century CE.

Except that their Turkic ancestry is from Oghuz, not Bulgars.

[axlredneck]

Ottoman Y-lines in Bulgarians

https://yfull.com/tree/R-YP1272/
https://yfull.com/tree/R-YP1455/
https://yfull.com/tree/Q-F16045/
https://yfull.com/tree/Q-F5400/
https://yfull.com/tree/J-Y152278/
https://yfull.com/tree/N-A9416/

[Kaspias]

Ottoman Y-lines in Bulgarians

https://yfull.com/tree/R-YP1272/
https://yfull.com/tree/R-YP1455/
https://yfull.com/tree/Q-F16045/
https://yfull.com/tree/Q-F5400/
https://yfull.com/tree/J-Y152278/
https://yfull.com/tree/N-A9416/

I just would speculate that Q-F16045 and N-A9416 are of Oghuz origin, although they are Turkic without doubt.

I and the Bulgarian from Vratsa match in STRs which points out a common ancestor in the last ~500 years. But the other subclades are in China and they are matching more closely with the Bulgarian in terms of SNP, but not matching through STRs. Neither do I match with the ones except for the Bulgarian from Vratsa. The puzzle remains.

[Kaspias]

There is a paper on a Proto-Bulgarian inscription found in Serbia, for anyone interested: https://www.academia.edu/113197548/V..._2023_EKZ_M44_

[Dušan]

Bulgarian_34,0.1224092,0.1351795,0.024192,-0.0006667,0.0228846,0.0003003,0.0050912,0.0042096,-0.0012949,0.0044975,-0.0012157,-0.0002779,0.0014468,0.0094707,-0.0122658,-0.0033523,0.0058299,-0.0002886,0.0036941,-0.0019152,-0.0054638,0.0001679,0.0035361,-0.0019152,-0.0002747
Slavic,0.136889045,0.124217737,0.080247872,0.077459165,0.041096385,0.031244748,0.009284727,0.01616411,-0.003516357,-0.03007394,-0.005916537,-0.009492153,0.020267842,0.02387931,-0.007974653,0.001510327,0.002723857,-0.001732062,0.001486543,0.003094505,-0.00428204,-0.003941758,0.00965012,-0.005442897,0.000921645
Thracian,0.1203325,0.1591906,0.0068434,-0.0474417,0.0300617,-0.0208531,0.0004523,-0.0017469,0.0107966,0.0388402,0.0026678,0.0079585,-0.0151111,0.0003636,-0.0191279,-0.0079527,0.008561,0.0015903,0.0069152,-0.0076855,-0.00604,0.0042617,-0.0016881,-0.0007715,-0.0033363
Anatolian,0.1109775,0.1514833,-0.0344437,-0.0711138,-0.0047702,-0.0250535,0.004426,-0.007961,-0.0119645,0.0206835,0.0030582,0.0052955,-0.0097622,-0.0009175,-0.0138435,-0.0062538,0.0081492,0.0002957,0.0050697,-0.0037518,-0.0063015,0.0031533,-4.1e-05,0.0019278,0.0011177
Turkic,0.0765143,-0.0884639,-0.0027654,0.0052757,-0.035904,0.0036874,0.0062929,0.0063074,-0.015612,-0.0115011,-0.0168884,-0.0036633,0.001817,-0.0022786,0.0076759,0.0062466,-0.0020139,-0.0002112,0.0013408,-0.0030013,-0.0082631,-0.0032426,-0.003177,-0.0007498,-0.0003193
Romani,0.0379412,-0.1020607,-0.1722183,0.1294702,-0.0729882,0.0672592,-0.0039167,0.0148072,0.0598913,0.037176,-0.0068473,0.0005495,-0.0015113,0.0033027,-0.0101338,-0.0099002,0.0084098,-0.0007178,-0.002933,0.0100048,0.001934,0.0008862,0.0011708,0.0068682,-0.0049095
MAR_EN,-0.1735805,0.0919055,-0.0258325,-0.083657,0.0283125,-0.0596825,-0.079316,0.021461,0.1500185,0.0043735,0.0222475,-0.0264515,0.075148,-0.0461725,0.069353,-0.03381,0.0171455,-0.05549,-0.1487635,0.0340785,-0.038245,-0.118212,0.0826995,-0.009941,0.021615
pre-Slavic,0.115788643,0.155447054,-0.013210334,-0.058939577,0.013143349,-0.022893294,0.002382382,-0.004765177,-0.000258792,0.030021232,0.002857424,0.006665043,-0.012513063,-0.000258648,-0.016561192,-0.007127521,0.008360983,0.000961495,0.006018814,-0.005774845,-0.006167014,0.003723334,-0.000888079,0.000539588,-0.001172929

Target: Dušan_scaled
Distance: 2.4253% / 0.02425332
54.8 Slavic
43.4 Thracian
1.0 Turkic
0.8 Romani

[Impaler]

Target: Father
Distance: 1.5268% / 0.01526783
46.2 Anatolian
29.2 Slavic
13.0 Romani
6.2 Bulgarian_34
2.8 Turkic
2.6 pre-Slavic